No drama again at the Ironman National

Marty1028
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8/19/2019 9:45am
Indy mxer wrote:
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even...
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even though I get access to a couple VIP tents, it's just not worth it to me.

Imo, mx needs some sort of a playoff.
Go ahead and flame me but the numbers speak for themselves. Attendance has been going down for the Ironman. The owner is a great guy and deserves better than having a snoozer because there's nothing at stake.
Almost every year the titles are pretty much settled by the time they get to the last couple rounds.

Lets be honest, barring something really weird AC is going to win the 250's. And last year did anyone really think ET was going to lose the points lead?
Yeah I know, there have been a couple exceptions, but they have been few and far between.
I love pro mx, but I feel it needs to evolve just like any other sport to improve the product.
People want excitement and drama. Hell even golf has a playoff!
I bet money that you are going to the gncc though...
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8/19/2019 9:49am
Man if I lived that close I’d go even if it was just a single race, and not part of any sort of championship at all. The chance to see some of the best in the world at MX in person? How could you pass that up if your a true fan?????

You keep talking attendance this, attendance that. You, and the “people” you talk to “feel” this, or that would increase it. Yet almost every single person on her is disagreeing with you. I’d be willing to bet that your ideas would actually hurt attendance based on what I’m seeing here.

It takes a 5 min google search to see that nascar attendance, and tv ratings have dropped drastically every year since they’ve added the playoff system. So you, and “people you talk to” may like pretend manufactured drama, but it seems as if other people don’t.
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8/19/2019 10:02am
The weather last year did no favors far as attendance goes. I can see where a small percentage maybe didn't go because AP wrapped up the title and Eli was in firm control but no enough to made a big impact. A mudder without a doubt ruins attendance and profit for a venue. Although motocross is a rain or shine sport I still cringe for the owners when a mudder happens because it takes a lot of money out of there pocket.

Hopefully some good weather on Saturday and some good racing.
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I will be there.

I want to see them race no matter how the championships are looking.
I for sure want to see the 125 race.

To me the play off idea sucks. I wish they still did race in moto's and not the timed practice in both Supercross and the Nationals. They were some great racing action for sure!

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6 plus hour drive for me. First time to Ironman. Been to the Indy SX many years now. I’m camping and bought the weekend pass, $200 out of pocket before I even leave the house. Who gives a crap, I can’t think of a better way to spend a weekend.

OP, you have VIP tickets, come on down and have a beer with us. Life’s too short to let this grind your gears. Seriously, you’ll have a great time when you get there.
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Indy mxer wrote:
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And...
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And yes, last year ET didn't clinch until that race, but he was so far up in points there really wasn't much doubt.

For some of you, instead of name calling how about some real debate or ideas? Wow there's a thought.

The fact is the attendance is declining at that race, and I feel part of that is due to the lack of any drama.

I put it out there as someone who's spent the time and money to actually go to the Ironman.
Some people just hate change. Btw, I guess every other sport that uses some sort of playoff or chase is "created drama".

I think it would make the racing better.
But no problem if you disagree. It's just my opinion.
Park Boys wrote:
Why do you guys not understand the difference between team sports and individual. Every gate drop in a sense is a super bowl. The best guys...
Why do you guys not understand the difference between team sports and individual. Every gate drop in a sense is a super bowl. The best guys racing the best guys. This is not football where Peyton played Brady, Bellicheck, that system once a year or twice in the playoffs. We get to see Brady vs Manning every weekend. Bird and Magic? Every damn Saturday. You want to punish guys for consistency. You want to make a dominant champion into some stupid side show? You think guys lay off now? Wait till they know they would be in some meaningless races for a month as they know there in the “chase”. Plus every non chase race, Nearly completely devalued. Yeah they get a win bonus, but I’m sure contracts would change to make them less valuable. Imagine going to a national seeing a great race and realize it meant nothing. Two guys were battling because the big dogs don’t want to get hurt a week before the artificial title chase starts.
Indy mxer wrote:
Ok your opinion. But I keep going back to the attendance issue. You can keep your heads in the sand and bag on me all you...
Ok your opinion. But I keep going back to the attendance issue. You can keep your heads in the sand and bag on me all you want. Or you can look for solutions. That's all I'm saying. And why I choose not to go. I'm not telling anyone not to go there.

And you can't be more wrong about the chase in NASCAR. My wife and I have been fans for many years and have gone to many races. Yes, I do like other forms of racing besides MX/SX.

The racing in Nascar has never been better and the regular season has been fun since the chase and stage racing. Guys are busting their asses every race to get every point they can towards the chase. Did you watch Bristol Saturday night? The racing was awesome!

Yeah I know, mx is not Nascar. But it's still racing. I just think the Nationals need something different to make the end of year racing better.
Ironman has been pretty good over the years. 2014 Roczen won his title that day in the mud basically, 15 Martin and Musquin came in, in a title fight. 16 sure, 17 you had Herlings come over. 18 still had to go trough the motions and now the guy with the ablsoute best personality in the sport since 199 is going for his first title! What else do you need? Attendance at Red Bud and Espaiclly Unidialla looked good. I was at Hangtown and Thunder Valley the attendence is low because of weather, always has been just like Millville this year.

I believe it was Jimmy Johnson’s crew chief who said between the lines are all testing and what we prepare for is the chase. There team is so good no matter what happens there in the chase anyways. So why bother wasting time perfecting a car for a what there end goal is, a meaning less race. The last couple of years it seemed like the Golden State Warriors we’re bored in the regular season. Even those guys not pushing easily gets them a top seed. Then they try.

Your 1.5 hours away and won’t go with a title on the line, guys like you I guess are the problem. Its like complaining about your town losing its ma and pop shops while walking into Walmart.
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OP, you could always travel to Red Bud or Millville if you're such a fan and want to see a points race. I wouldn't skip any...
OP, you could always travel to Red Bud or Millville if you're such a fan and want to see a points race. I wouldn't skip any pro race that was 1.5 hours from my house. A race is a race. Seems like you think you're entitled to something more because you live close to the last round.
Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

I’ve traveled over 6 hours there 3 times since the races inception. Had a great time, even In the mud. Awesome track.
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8/19/2019 1:54pm
Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

aeffertz wrote:
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over...
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over the years? You keep stating the attendance over and over, I’m just curious what the numbers are and where you’re finding them.
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
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8/19/2019 2:04pm
Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

aeffertz wrote:
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over...
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over the years? You keep stating the attendance over and over, I’m just curious what the numbers are and where you’re finding them.
Indy mxer wrote:
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
Whats your point? Your not helping? Go and bring some buddies and potentially see the best race of your life. Or stay at home because why exactly? Because tomac wrapped it up? 250s still arent decided. Not sure i get it...and in playoffs ever see a series decided before "game 7?" Sooo Iron man would just skipped altogether in that scenario... Leave it alone and go support the riders and our sport and go watch some dirtbikes.
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chump6784 wrote:
I don't get it. Just because the 450 title is decided you can't enjoy watching some of the best riders in the world going at it...
I don't get it. Just because the 450 title is decided you can't enjoy watching some of the best riders in the world going at it for 4 x 30 minutes plus 2? I guess there is just no pleasing some people
Indy mxer wrote:
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And...
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And yes, last year ET didn't clinch until that race, but he was so far up in points there really wasn't much doubt.

For some of you, instead of name calling how about some real debate or ideas? Wow there's a thought.

The fact is the attendance is declining at that race, and I feel part of that is due to the lack of any drama.

I put it out there as someone who's spent the time and money to actually go to the Ironman.
Some people just hate change. Btw, I guess every other sport that uses some sort of playoff or chase is "created drama".

I think it would make the racing better.
But no problem if you disagree. It's just my opinion.
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people...
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people interested, they aren't even keeping people interested.





Did you see Bristol Saturday night? Attendance was way up over last year. The racing this year has been really good. But yes ratings and attendance have gone down, as with most sports.
Baseball attendance is horrible and ratings aren't good either. Just another sport that refuses to evolve. I'm 62 and baseball has become slow and boring to me for gods sake

I'd like to see the Nascar ratings for this year when it's complete.

Anyway, all I'm saying is why not try and spice things up so the last race isn't just guys trying to get to the off season?
Hell, even golf has a playoff.
Maybe tweeking the points like some have suggested or giving points for fastest qualifier.

Change is not bad.
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EngIceDave wrote:
Negative

ET3 would still win overall by "race points"
The others are solely series or championship points
If you "won" the race but lost points in the championship, you did not win the race.
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8/19/2019 2:14pm
Indy mxer wrote:
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even...
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even though I get access to a couple VIP tents, it's just not worth it to me.

Imo, mx needs some sort of a playoff.
Go ahead and flame me but the numbers speak for themselves. Attendance has been going down for the Ironman. The owner is a great guy and deserves better than having a snoozer because there's nothing at stake.
Almost every year the titles are pretty much settled by the time they get to the last couple rounds.

Lets be honest, barring something really weird AC is going to win the 250's. And last year did anyone really think ET was going to lose the points lead?
Yeah I know, there have been a couple exceptions, but they have been few and far between.
I love pro mx, but I feel it needs to evolve just like any other sport to improve the product.
People want excitement and drama. Hell even golf has a playoff!
Marty1028 wrote:
I bet money that you are going to the gncc though...
Wrong and have never been to the GNCC there, but have friends that go and love it. To each his own.

Time to stop this whole thing. lol I was just sharing my opinion on what I see and asking if that is what's affecting attendance.
Nobody knows for sure.
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8/19/2019 2:47pm
Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

aeffertz wrote:
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over...
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over the years? You keep stating the attendance over and over, I’m just curious what the numbers are and where you’re finding them.
Indy mxer wrote:
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
Okay, so your "facts" that less people are attending because there is no drama is based on "it looked like less people went last time I was there."

Come back when you have a decent argument supported by some actual evidence.
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8/19/2019 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2019 3:25pm
chump6784 wrote:
I don't get it. Just because the 450 title is decided you can't enjoy watching some of the best riders in the world going at it...
I don't get it. Just because the 450 title is decided you can't enjoy watching some of the best riders in the world going at it for 4 x 30 minutes plus 2? I guess there is just no pleasing some people
Indy mxer wrote:
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And...
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And yes, last year ET didn't clinch until that race, but he was so far up in points there really wasn't much doubt.

For some of you, instead of name calling how about some real debate or ideas? Wow there's a thought.

The fact is the attendance is declining at that race, and I feel part of that is due to the lack of any drama.

I put it out there as someone who's spent the time and money to actually go to the Ironman.
Some people just hate change. Btw, I guess every other sport that uses some sort of playoff or chase is "created drama".

I think it would make the racing better.
But no problem if you disagree. It's just my opinion.
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people...
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people interested, they aren't even keeping people interested.





All sports viewing is dropping. Baseball, football, hockey and basketball.

I'll tell you it is bad. Dupont refrigerants( like used in refrigerators) has teamed up with the NHL to help build and promote skate rinks in towns and cities across the nation.

Ice skating is WAY down. No new kids getting into the sport. The NHL sees this and with the help of Dupont, they are going to open more public rinks and promote, promote, and promote ice skating. They hope more kids get in the sport because THOSE KIDS are the future of the NFL..

NASCAR is trying also. The AMA? Not trying to hard. They like to blame a lot of factors, mainly the phone . It's just the shift in our culture. Competitive sports are having a real battle on their hands.

Did you know that people watch a guy play Mario Bros on you tube and he gets like 2.5 million views? Like 100 times more than a MX race on YouTube?
That right there is what ALL SPORTS are up against- a shift in culture.
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8/19/2019 4:11pm
EngIceDave wrote:
I think the OP has a point, but not sure "the chase" is how to address it. Think about this.... Who typically has been qualifying first...
I think the OP has a point, but not sure "the chase" is how to address it.

Think about this....

Who typically has been qualifying first?
Roczen, right?
OK, that's a 5 point bonus, and you just made it a darn good reason to show up early.

How's Tomac's start's been?
Mid-pack?
OK, give a 5 point bonus for holeshots


Those things alone like would've shaved 25 points off any lead, yes?

There's other things that could be done to change things up, add in some new excitement and also make it more exciting for the viewing audience.
Sometimes, I don't think people really understand how small the "core" motocross/Supercross/off-road audience is.....it's fractional of the entire viewing audience, that's why the broadcast seems as if it's "not for you," because it's not, it's trying to educate the uneducated on MX to try and get them to join the fun.

On the flip side, someone that does well at qualifying, holeshots and moto wins at the beginning of the year can really "manage the championship" with a massive points lead. Just keep doing well in qualifying, holeshot the motos and fade back a few positions. Not exactly a recipe for excitement.
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8/19/2019 4:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2019 4:26pm
You never know when a great race will break out, and people r racing for jobs.

You never know when a shit one is coming either. AC following DylanF for 100 laps 6 feet away is a horrible race. (Washougal). Imagine a first time viewer watching, “why doesn’t he pass him”? “he’s managing a championship”.

If the winner received 5 more points than second, there would be some late braking at least going on.

I LOVE moto and that turned me off. What is this, fast trail riding? Only cool part was the fast guys hacking the sand jump. We need passing.

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8/19/2019 7:23pm
aeffertz wrote:
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over...
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over the years? You keep stating the attendance over and over, I’m just curious what the numbers are and where you’re finding them.
Indy mxer wrote:
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
aeffertz wrote:
Okay, so your "facts" that less people are attending because there is no drama is based on "it looked like less people went last time I...
Okay, so your "facts" that less people are attending because there is no drama is based on "it looked like less people went last time I was there."

Come back when you have a decent argument supported by some actual evidence.
Tell me where you can get actual attendance figures.
I've been to more than a few Nationals, including Redbud and you can tell when the crowd is down. It's not that difficult.

Not saying it's ALL due to the lack of a compelling points race, but I think that's part of it. Again, my opinion.
Btw, have you ever been to a race there?

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Indy mxer wrote:
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
aeffertz wrote:
Okay, so your "facts" that less people are attending because there is no drama is based on "it looked like less people went last time I...
Okay, so your "facts" that less people are attending because there is no drama is based on "it looked like less people went last time I was there."

Come back when you have a decent argument supported by some actual evidence.
Indy mxer wrote:
Tell me where you can get actual attendance figures. I've been to more than a few Nationals, including Redbud and you can tell when the crowd...
Tell me where you can get actual attendance figures.
I've been to more than a few Nationals, including Redbud and you can tell when the crowd is down. It's not that difficult.

Not saying it's ALL due to the lack of a compelling points race, but I think that's part of it. Again, my opinion.
Btw, have you ever been to a race there?

Unadilla looked to have the biggest crowd in years...I feel...
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8/19/2019 7:57pm
Drtbykr wrote:
You never know when a great race will break out, and people r racing for jobs. You never know when a shit one is coming either...
You never know when a great race will break out, and people r racing for jobs.

You never know when a shit one is coming either. AC following DylanF for 100 laps 6 feet away is a horrible race. (Washougal). Imagine a first time viewer watching, “why doesn’t he pass him”? “he’s managing a championship”.

If the winner received 5 more points than second, there would be some late braking at least going on.

I LOVE moto and that turned me off. What is this, fast trail riding? Only cool part was the fast guys hacking the sand jump. We need passing.

AC didn’t pass Dylan because he wasn’t able. Make the win 30 points more than second and AC still would have finished second. Does anyone actually think that passes aren’t being made because there isn’t enough on the line? Racers of that level give it all they have and then some.
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OP, you could always travel to Red Bud or Millville if you're such a fan and want to see a points race. I wouldn't skip any...
OP, you could always travel to Red Bud or Millville if you're such a fan and want to see a points race. I wouldn't skip any pro race that was 1.5 hours from my house. A race is a race. Seems like you think you're entitled to something more because you live close to the last round.
Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

I get what you are saying. As a Tomac fan he usually just puts in safe rides with no charge in them.
The 250 class usually has some story or drama to it.
But this year I think Kenny will try to get second from Marvin and some of the others will put in great rides
I am not sure which Tomac we will get but I want to watch this race live.
Reasons
1. The atmosphere of mx
2. The sounds of the bikes
3. The smell of race fuel
4. The hero’s and legends museum
5. The vendors usually I pick up some swag
6. Taking my granddaughter for her first outdoor promx race.
7.Watching all year on nbc gold and reading /interacting bench racing on vital makes it a culmination of the great outdoors at the last race.
8. Watching AC92 bring home his first pro title.
9.Watching guys like Noren and others who don’t get much tv time.
10. The Who’s who of the sport being there seeing guys like Tomac who is advancing to top four all time 450/250 wins is sweet.
11. Rain or shine it’s my one outdoor pro national to be a fan of the sport. A sport I admire and love As a rider (not a good one) I can see how the pros make it look so easy and it lets me be like a little kid again. These guys are so humble and approachable it’s unreal.

Thanks to anyone and everyone at every event to make pro motocross my favorite spectator activity.

Sincerely forever 13 years old (even though I’m 50)
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8/19/2019 8:11pm
Just going there and imagining Guy Cooper huckin’ the step up like he did a few yrs ago would be reason enough-

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8/19/2019 9:10pm
Indy mxer wrote:
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And...
Nope just not worth it for me to "just see the riders in person". I'll watch it on tv after we get done riding Saturday. And yes, last year ET didn't clinch until that race, but he was so far up in points there really wasn't much doubt.

For some of you, instead of name calling how about some real debate or ideas? Wow there's a thought.

The fact is the attendance is declining at that race, and I feel part of that is due to the lack of any drama.

I put it out there as someone who's spent the time and money to actually go to the Ironman.
Some people just hate change. Btw, I guess every other sport that uses some sort of playoff or chase is "created drama".

I think it would make the racing better.
But no problem if you disagree. It's just my opinion.
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people...
NASCAR has tried so many variation of the playoff idea, and their attendance and TV viewership is dropping year on year. Playoffs aren't getting more people interested, they aren't even keeping people interested.





honda907 wrote:
All sports viewing is dropping. Baseball, football, hockey and basketball. I'll tell you it is bad. Dupont refrigerants( like used in refrigerators) has teamed up with...
All sports viewing is dropping. Baseball, football, hockey and basketball.

I'll tell you it is bad. Dupont refrigerants( like used in refrigerators) has teamed up with the NHL to help build and promote skate rinks in towns and cities across the nation.

Ice skating is WAY down. No new kids getting into the sport. The NHL sees this and with the help of Dupont, they are going to open more public rinks and promote, promote, and promote ice skating. They hope more kids get in the sport because THOSE KIDS are the future of the NFL..

NASCAR is trying also. The AMA? Not trying to hard. They like to blame a lot of factors, mainly the phone . It's just the shift in our culture. Competitive sports are having a real battle on their hands.

Did you know that people watch a guy play Mario Bros on you tube and he gets like 2.5 million views? Like 100 times more than a MX race on YouTube?
That right there is what ALL SPORTS are up against- a shift in culture.
I don’t think learning to ice skate is going to attract anyone to play football. Would be cool to see football on skates. Would be fast and high scoring. If you are talking hockey though, it is great that DuPont will help with artificial ice. Where I live, hockey is more accessible as we have outdoor frozen ice for at least 5 months of the year and there is a rink in every neighborhood. Hockey participation is down due to the cost of equipment and renting indoor ice.
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Indy mxer wrote:
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my...
I'm entitled to nothing. I want to see good racing. I simply choose not to go because the racing is not that good. And in my opinion other people feel the same. Hence declining attendance.
But again, it's not about just me. At what point do we say this ain't working before we try something new. Btw, I do go to Redbud!

aeffertz wrote:
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over...
Can you cite any of your attendance numbers from the past 5 years and then can you compare them to the other tracks as well over the years? You keep stating the attendance over and over, I’m just curious what the numbers are and where you’re finding them.
Indy mxer wrote:
I've been to all but last year. It has declined, you can see it. Even the distributor who's hospitality tent I sat in has said it.
Hasn't it rained on the Ironman three out of the last four years? Last year was a mess. It's hard to build a crowd at a new facility when it keeps getting pummeled by rain. Hopefully that will change this year. Wish you could make it, but I have a feeling the motocross fans who do show up will have a nice weekend enjoying the races.

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I would go just to watch these guys ride. To see the field come out of the first turn and charge down the track so close to each other is awesome. No additional drama needed. These guys are so good at riding dirt bikes it will take your breath away just to watch them ride the track. And there's so many things you can see that you will never pick up on TV, especially riding style. 90minutes from you, you just have to go. It will motivate you for your own riding too. Plus you may see AC92 get his first National Title. Not a bad occasion.
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Just seeing the speed of these guys in person makes the trip worth it. ALWAYS support your local Pro race. Otherwise it might not be there at all.
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8/20/2019 9:56am
EngIceDave wrote:
I think the OP has a point, but not sure "the chase" is how to address it. Think about this.... Who typically has been qualifying first...
I think the OP has a point, but not sure "the chase" is how to address it.

Think about this....

Who typically has been qualifying first?
Roczen, right?
OK, that's a 5 point bonus, and you just made it a darn good reason to show up early.

How's Tomac's start's been?
Mid-pack?
OK, give a 5 point bonus for holeshots


Those things alone like would've shaved 25 points off any lead, yes?

There's other things that could be done to change things up, add in some new excitement and also make it more exciting for the viewing audience.
Sometimes, I don't think people really understand how small the "core" motocross/Supercross/off-road audience is.....it's fractional of the entire viewing audience, that's why the broadcast seems as if it's "not for you," because it's not, it's trying to educate the uneducated on MX to try and get them to join the fun.

Dont care for this idea at all. Tomac goes 1-1, but loses to Roczen who went 3-3, had the fastest time in practice, and got both...
Dont care for this idea at all.
Tomac goes 1-1, but loses to Roczen who went 3-3, had the fastest time in practice, and got both holeshots, no thanks.
Don’t care for it either. Only thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is maybe one bonus point for taking the over all. 2-1 vs a 1-2
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Indy mxer wrote:
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even...
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even though I get access to a couple VIP tents, it's just not worth it to me.

Imo, mx needs some sort of a playoff.
Go ahead and flame me but the numbers speak for themselves. Attendance has been going down for the Ironman. The owner is a great guy and deserves better than having a snoozer because there's nothing at stake.
Almost every year the titles are pretty much settled by the time they get to the last couple rounds.

Lets be honest, barring something really weird AC is going to win the 250's. And last year did anyone really think ET was going to lose the points lead?
Yeah I know, there have been a couple exceptions, but they have been few and far between.
I love pro mx, but I feel it needs to evolve just like any other sport to improve the product.
People want excitement and drama. Hell even golf has a playoff!
1:124....likes:dislikes...that's gotta be a Vital record of some sort....Blush
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8/20/2019 10:20am
Indy mxer wrote:
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even...
I live about 90 minutes from the track and for the 2nd year in a row I'm skipping it, along with a few moto buddies. Even though I get access to a couple VIP tents, it's just not worth it to me.

Imo, mx needs some sort of a playoff.
Go ahead and flame me but the numbers speak for themselves. Attendance has been going down for the Ironman. The owner is a great guy and deserves better than having a snoozer because there's nothing at stake.
Almost every year the titles are pretty much settled by the time they get to the last couple rounds.

Lets be honest, barring something really weird AC is going to win the 250's. And last year did anyone really think ET was going to lose the points lead?
Yeah I know, there have been a couple exceptions, but they have been few and far between.
I love pro mx, but I feel it needs to evolve just like any other sport to improve the product.
People want excitement and drama. Hell even golf has a playoff!
1:124....likes:dislikes...that's gotta be a Vital record of some sort....Blush
Right?

Just absurd to think that anyone related to moto would work so hard to find an excuse to NOT go to an AMA National.
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500guy wrote:
The playoff idea is bullshit.

These guy's are worth paying to watch period. Fake drama is WWF or WWE, I'm not interested in it.
It’s been a while since I’ve liked a 500guy post but...what he said x100
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