Ken Roczen 2020 Supercross champion?

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Outdoors just doesn't get me excited.. SX season couldn't come sooner!

El Hombre injury free for the SX title.
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CW or Musquin all day. Unless Eli becomes a holeshot artist between now and A-1. SX tittle for KR is a long shot IMO, he seems to get stuck behind people in SX now. JA21 could be the spoiler.
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deanwhite51 wrote:
Outdoors just doesn't get me excited.. SX season couldn't come sooner!

El Hombre injury free for the SX title.
Gotta go with Anderson as well..
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deanwhite51 wrote:
Outdoors just doesn't get me excited.. SX season couldn't come sooner!

El Hombre injury free for the SX title.
CrGuy2T wrote:
Gotta go with Anderson as well..
With all the off season SX races, stay injury free and his let it all hang out style. hard to beat against him.
As well as having no pressure being the under dog every year.
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deanwhite51 wrote:
Outdoors just doesn't get me excited.. SX season couldn't come sooner!

El Hombre injury free for the SX title.
CrGuy2T wrote:
Gotta go with Anderson as well..
I hope he gets it with everyone else being healthy till the last round to silence the naysayers. Ando is the sickest
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TexasVet wrote:
Anderson? Consistent? Webb is hurt(so far). Tomac's to lose. I'd pick AC over Webb, but then anyone but Webb.
You would pick AC winning the 20’ sx title over Webb? Are you retarded?
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Webb didn't win it with outright blazing speed this year (though obviously he was one of the fastest), he won it with consistently great starts (and finishes), and at times, riding with ice in his veins under immense pressure. He regulated his pace well and managed his races brilliantly.

Like in years past, there is absolutely no reason why Tomac and even Roczen can't bring it home, but the only thing beating Webb's 2019 campaign strategy is even greater starts, speed and consistency. Tall order.

On Tomac's side, he has a full season of development on the new bike (and a new crew chief) and showed great speed late in the season, and on Roczen's side, a full, uninjured season of seat time under his belt, most of which was under heavy adversity of an illness cloud. Nothing like riding at the top level feeling like shit all year to build some mental fortitude (and as if he needed it after his amazing return from injury story). Certainly makes the early outlook of 2020 looking very interesting.
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BS12 wrote:
Webb didn't win it with outright blazing speed this year (though obviously he was one of the fastest), he won it with consistently great starts (and...
Webb didn't win it with outright blazing speed this year (though obviously he was one of the fastest), he won it with consistently great starts (and finishes), and at times, riding with ice in his veins under immense pressure. He regulated his pace well and managed his races brilliantly.

Like in years past, there is absolutely no reason why Tomac and even Roczen can't bring it home, but the only thing beating Webb's 2019 campaign strategy is even greater starts, speed and consistency. Tall order.

On Tomac's side, he has a full season of development on the new bike (and a new crew chief) and showed great speed late in the season, and on Roczen's side, a full, uninjured season of seat time under his belt, most of which was under heavy adversity of an illness cloud. Nothing like riding at the top level feeling like shit all year to build some mental fortitude (and as if he needed it after his amazing return from injury story). Certainly makes the early outlook of 2020 looking very interesting.
I agree 100% should be a very interesting season next year, I hope everyone stays healthy over the off season!
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Shit fan

Super cross is indoor motocross.
Fuck you half ass fair-weathered fans.
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Well both involve dirt bikes so they have that in common.
GforceCoatings wrote:
Same as freestyle jump shows so that must be indoor motocross also lol. I blame bama.
Except it’s different riders doing tricks not racing?
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TexasVet wrote:
Anderson? Consistent? Webb is hurt(so far). Tomac's to lose. I'd pick AC over Webb, but then anyone but Webb.
brapgod69 wrote:
You would pick AC winning the 20’ sx title over Webb? Are you retarded?
🤦🏼‍♂️ AC won’t even be in the same area code as Webb. Savagty is riding the same bike as AC will be next year and Savagty had just as much speed as AC on 250’s in my opinion. So we shall see. It’s gonna be rough I think but all the best to AC.
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Los geht Herr Roczen!!!
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I think we're looking at a Webb repeat. The guy will be solid. Great starts, top 3's all year. Will be tough to beat. I don't...
I think we're looking at a Webb repeat. The guy will be solid. Great starts, top 3's all year. Will be tough to beat. I don't think we'll see another consistent run of 'beast mode' from Tomac, UNTIL he's too far out of the points race. He has learnt how trying than in the past has cost him and won't want to make that mistake again.
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
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TexasVet wrote:
Anderson? Consistent? Webb is hurt(so far). Tomac's to lose. I'd pick AC over Webb, but then anyone but Webb.
brapgod69 wrote:
You would pick AC winning the 20’ sx title over Webb? Are you retarded?
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🤦🏼‍♂️ AC won’t even be in the same area code as Webb. Savagty is riding the same bike as AC will be next year and Savagty...
🤦🏼‍♂️ AC won’t even be in the same area code as Webb. Savagty is riding the same bike as AC will be next year and Savagty had just as much speed as AC on 250’s in my opinion. So we shall see. It’s gonna be rough I think but all the best to AC.
"Savatgy had just as much speed as AC on 250s..."


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NateDawg wrote:
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he...
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
Bullshit webb won that title fair and square. Nothing last season helped him. He showed up fought hard and won.
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Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he...
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
CrGuy2T wrote:
Bullshit webb won that title fair and square. Nothing last season helped him. He showed up fought hard and won.
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
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NateDawg wrote:
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he...
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
CrGuy2T wrote:
Bullshit webb won that title fair and square. Nothing last season helped him. He showed up fought hard and won.
NateDawg wrote:
Really?? Nothing last year helped him? Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property...
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
I hate Webb... But the dude deserved the title more then any one...
He was the only guy who showed grit and aggression and wanted to win more then any one on that track.
From charging from behind to take wins. Good starts. Riding out of control pushing the limits and making passes when things went wrong. Won a race that was the closest finish in history. Holeshots and leading almost every lap. Block passing team mates with aggression because he just wanted to win so bad.
Even on his bad nights he would make the most and podium.
Webb straight up beat every one for the title.

How can you say it was handed to him or he was helped? Its a series. you gotta give credit when its due.
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NateDawg wrote:
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he...
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
CrGuy2T wrote:
Bullshit webb won that title fair and square. Nothing last season helped him. He showed up fought hard and won.
NateDawg wrote:
Really?? Nothing last year helped him? Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property...
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
It's not Cooper’s fault that ET and MM were inconsistent .Other than that, what did he luck into?
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NateDawg wrote:
Really?? Nothing last year helped him? Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property...
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
What help did he get other than a new bike brand? If you truly think he got help then, every champion dating all the way back to day 1 of sx got help pal.
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I think we're looking at a Webb repeat. The guy will be solid. Great starts, top 3's all year. Will be tough to beat. I don't...
I think we're looking at a Webb repeat. The guy will be solid. Great starts, top 3's all year. Will be tough to beat. I don't think we'll see another consistent run of 'beast mode' from Tomac, UNTIL he's too far out of the points race. He has learnt how trying than in the past has cost him and won't want to make that mistake again.
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Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he...
Webb had a LOT of things fall his way last year that helped him win the title. He'll definitely be a contender, but I think he still needs quite a bit of luck on his side to repeat.

Also, it's a small sample, but Tomac has been killing his starts lately. If his starts can be even marginally better in SX then he's going to be incredibly hard to beat.
Just like Anderson. Just like Webb. One hit wonders. All the other guys, well they just can't hang. Savatgy not

consistent enough. You could say that about all the rest of the field. And all of them have to get through the "off season"

training. How many "mystery" ailments are there now(Roczen, MM). Bubbling to the top now and then(Roczen) won't

cut it for a championship. Finishes like "what's wrong with Tomac, he went 7-3"?.

And Webb? He's hurt now. You guys just brush past it.

AC is the near future.
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CrGuy2T wrote:
Bullshit webb won that title fair and square. Nothing last season helped him. He showed up fought hard and won.
NateDawg wrote:
Really?? Nothing last year helped him? Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property...
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
BikeGuy321 wrote:
It's not Cooper’s fault that ET and MM were inconsistent .Other than that, what did he luck into?
1. The previous champion got injured early in the season.
2. Tomac and Kawasaki were struggling with the new bike.
3. Roczen wasn't up to form yet.
4. He cut the track to pass Tomac and wasn't penalized for it.
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NateDawg wrote:
Really?? Nothing last year helped him? Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property...
Really?? Nothing last year helped him?

Ok pal... If you watched the whole SX season and seriously believe that then I have some ocean front property in Indiana I'd like to sell you.
BikeGuy321 wrote:
It's not Cooper’s fault that ET and MM were inconsistent .Other than that, what did he luck into?
NateDawg wrote:
1. The previous champion got injured early in the season. 2. Tomac and Kawasaki were struggling with the new bike. 3. Roczen wasn't up to form...
1. The previous champion got injured early in the season.
2. Tomac and Kawasaki were struggling with the new bike.
3. Roczen wasn't up to form yet.
4. He cut the track to pass Tomac and wasn't penalized for it.
So your basically saying the stars must align perfect to have a championship winner worthy? . Get real the stars never align. Every year someone is hurt or someone’s set up is off. So the guy who isnt hurt and his setup is on point wins.
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Some people just aren't interested the MXoN. Doesn't make them fair-weathered fans or racers.
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You're right about that, it makes them big time losers.
Oh, the irony of that comment. Laughing
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KR or AC stamp it
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tprice07 8/19/2019 9:36am
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Osborne will win the championship.

1) Osborne
2) Tomac
3) AC
4) Roczen
5) Brayton
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I think he can win races but not a championship.

People overestimate Roczens sx results. Every season except this last one he has gotten injured in sx. To me that indicates riding over your head. It works here and there but not for 17 rounds.

Happy for him to prove me wrong. Hes a bad dude.

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deluxeman 8/19/2019 10:03am
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He could win. We’ve got a couple extremely fast guys who haven’t shown much consistency though. Anderson and Webb are the only ones out of the...
He could win. We’ve got a couple extremely fast guys who haven’t shown much consistency though. Anderson and Webb are the only ones out of the current crop of title contenders who have been able to show consistency.

The thing with SX is it’s really hard to pass on most tracks. Whoever is able to remain injury free and get solid starts consistently should win it.
TexasVet wrote:
Anderson? Consistent? Webb is hurt(so far). Tomac's to lose. I'd pick AC over Webb, but then anyone but Webb.
AC couldn't even win the 250 title he had wrapped up. AC is fast but he isn't Webb fast and he is no where near as mentally tough as any of the top 10 450 guys. AC is a child in a mans world next season. He will win some races but I don't see him winning any in 2020.
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theprizefighter 8/19/2019 10:12am
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brapgod69 wrote:
You would pick AC winning the 20’ sx title over Webb? Are you retarded?
It wouldn't be the first time a rookie took the title. Who would have picked Dungey in 2010? Granted, it's not likely but it doesn't make someone stupid for picking a rookie.
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Gordon Liddy 8/19/2019 10:19am
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I don't see Roczen winning the 2020 SX title. I think Webb will repeat as long as he heals up in time for a solid off season of preparation. I think Anderson will be right there too.
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
It's not Cooper’s fault that ET and MM were inconsistent .Other than that, what did he luck into?
NateDawg wrote:
1. The previous champion got injured early in the season. 2. Tomac and Kawasaki were struggling with the new bike. 3. Roczen wasn't up to form...
1. The previous champion got injured early in the season.
2. Tomac and Kawasaki were struggling with the new bike.
3. Roczen wasn't up to form yet.
4. He cut the track to pass Tomac and wasn't penalized for it.
CrGuy2T wrote:
So your basically saying the stars must align perfect to have a championship winner worthy? . Get real the stars never align. Every year someone is...
So your basically saying the stars must align perfect to have a championship winner worthy? . Get real the stars never align. Every year someone is hurt or someone’s set up is off. So the guy who isnt hurt and his setup is on point wins.
Again.... where did I say Webb wasn't worthy of the championship? I didn't. I said that a lot of things fell his way on the way to that title.
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