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rryker 8/5/2019 1:21pm
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Swoll's acceptance speech of the Horizon Award was crap, he said he does not think much of awards and seemed put off about having to go up and accept it.
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from racerx.. "Swoll was presented the Horizon Award at closing ceremonies. At first, he didn’t show much appreciation, saying on stage that “He’s not that into awards so it’s whatever” but when we saw him afterwards, we asked if he would have been mad if he had not won the award. That’s when he realized this actually felt pretty good."
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racerxx276 wrote:
from racerx.. "Swoll was presented the Horizon Award at closing ceremonies. At first, he didn’t show much appreciation, saying on stage that “He’s not that into...
from racerx.. "Swoll was presented the Horizon Award at closing ceremonies. At first, he didn’t show much appreciation, saying on stage that “He’s not that into awards so it’s whatever” but when we saw him afterwards, we asked if he would have been mad if he had not won the award. That’s when he realized this actually felt pretty good."
Sounds like he needs someone to work on his PR skills. Between this and the holeshot award, not a good look for what is basically his job interview for his pro career (I know he already has a ride, maybe that is part of the problem)
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Should have gone to Brown
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We don't offer a Horizon award for sarcasm.
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I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL.

He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he holds him self when things dont go right, really put me off. Not that my opinion matters... But i dont believe he deserved the award.

Yes, I'm an Aussie and Jett was the guy i want to win. But the guy showed speed, race craft and even when it didnt work out, he still held his own.
Not to mention its his first time showing and every one else his age is still racing 85's and supermini's.
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devindavisphoto 8/5/2019 3:04pm
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If we learned anything this week... it's that Jett Lawrence is the real deal.
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RonJon wrote:
and for what it's worth 10 of the last 23 or so have a Pro Championship to their credit so there is some merit to the...
and for what it's worth 10 of the last 23 or so have a Pro Championship to their credit so there is some merit to the award.
and 13 dont.

I expect Swoll to add to that number. In the Moto's i watched, he did nothing to make me think he will be any better than the likes of Evan Laughridge.

Lawrence owned it, Munoz was solid over 6 moto's , both deserved it more IMO.
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FerCzD 8/5/2019 5:37pm
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Took a look on the list of Horizon Awarded riders. Some greats (RV2, JS7), some real good with championships to their credit and others that never made it once they entered into the pro ranks. Hard to tell which path any of these kids you are discussing about will be.
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Jalek is a great kid. Not only did Bobby Hewitt see something in him, so did the Stewarts. He's been spending a ton of time with...
Jalek is a great kid. Not only did Bobby Hewitt see something in him, so did the Stewarts. He's been spending a ton of time with Timmy down in Florida and I think he is going to surprise a lot of people when he debuts. I think anyone coming up through Bobby's program is at an advantage over anyone else just because he plays an active role and makes sure they come up to the pros with a good head on their shoulder.
When he has a bad moto he will blame it on a injury. Stamp it
jorgechavez 8/5/2019 10:21pm
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and 13 dont. I expect Swoll to add to that number. In the Moto's i watched, he did nothing to make me think he will be...
and 13 dont.

I expect Swoll to add to that number. In the Moto's i watched, he did nothing to make me think he will be any better than the likes of Evan Laughridge.

Lawrence owned it, Munoz was solid over 6 moto's , both deserved it more IMO.
Some of you just love to hate don’t you? Kid hasn’t even hit the pro’s yet and we got the Vital experts mapping out his career.
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He was awarded the Horizon award so the race card couldn't be played, if they didn't give it to him people would be saying "it's because he's black".
He certainly wasn't the one deserving of the award and if you go off the true meaning of the award he didn't qualify for it.

To be fair though it's not really a relevant award seeing how many amateurs have won it in the past and gone on to do nothing in the pros.
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He was awarded the Horizon award so the race card couldn't be played, if they didn't give it to him people would be saying "it's because...
He was awarded the Horizon award so the race card couldn't be played, if they didn't give it to him people would be saying "it's because he's black".
He certainly wasn't the one deserving of the award and if you go off the true meaning of the award he didn't qualify for it.

To be fair though it's not really a relevant award seeing how many amateurs have won it in the past and gone on to do nothing in the pros.
Of course someone had to to make a lame racist comment like this. Go crawl back under your rock dumb bogan.
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hamncheeze 8/6/2019 8:22am
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The Horizon Award is cool for a rider to take home, but it is certainly not a predictor of future stardom. Just look at the list from the past 20 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMA_Horizon_Award

I'd say Darryn Durham, PJ Larsen, Zach Bell, Matt Bisceglia, Evan Laughridge and Ben Riddle all did not go on to great success for a variety of reasons. But each rider had LL peers that had/have very successful pro careers.
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hamncheeze wrote:
The Horizon Award is cool for a rider to take home, but it is certainly not a predictor of future stardom. Just look at the list...
The Horizon Award is cool for a rider to take home, but it is certainly not a predictor of future stardom. Just look at the list from the past 20 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMA_Horizon_Award

I'd say Darryn Durham, PJ Larsen, Zach Bell, Matt Bisceglia, Evan Laughridge and Ben Riddle all did not go on to great success for a variety of reasons. But each rider had LL peers that had/have very successful pro careers.
Durham was back this year and got beat by Mike Brown.
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Mr. Afterbar 8/6/2019 8:48am
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decano51 wrote:
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL. He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he...
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL.

He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he holds him self when things dont go right, really put me off. Not that my opinion matters... But i dont believe he deserved the award.

Yes, I'm an Aussie and Jett was the guy i want to win. But the guy showed speed, race craft and even when it didnt work out, he still held his own.
Not to mention its his first time showing and every one else his age is still racing 85's and supermini's.
Jett's podium interview after the last open pro sport was no better than anything Swoll did. I realize this won't be popular opinion as everyone can't seem to be more in love with him, but he came off as a really sore loser and the swearing was uncalled for, from a 15 year old nonetheless.
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WoodsRacer 8/6/2019 10:17am
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Brad460 wrote:
Should have gone to Brown
Post of the day, hands down. Nice work.
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decano51 8/6/2019 2:46pm
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decano51 wrote:
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL. He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he...
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL.

He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he holds him self when things dont go right, really put me off. Not that my opinion matters... But i dont believe he deserved the award.

Yes, I'm an Aussie and Jett was the guy i want to win. But the guy showed speed, race craft and even when it didnt work out, he still held his own.
Not to mention its his first time showing and every one else his age is still racing 85's and supermini's.
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Jett's podium interview after the last open pro sport was no better than anything Swoll did. I realize this won't be popular opinion as everyone can't...
Jett's podium interview after the last open pro sport was no better than anything Swoll did. I realize this won't be popular opinion as everyone can't seem to be more in love with him, but he came off as a really sore loser and the swearing was uncalled for, from a 15 year old nonetheless.
I get why you say this and how it comes across. Aussie's have a pretty bad tendency to talk very direct and known for having a foul mouth. If i wasnt an aussie myself and hear Jett talk i would think the very same.
Theres a lot younger kids here that talk a lot worse then Jett. But hopefully he can adapt and work on his podium talk a little while going through the pro ranks.


Even Hunter got heat on his first podium speech for being very "rude" Laughing

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chippo 8/6/2019 4:25pm
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He was awarded the Horizon award so the race card couldn't be played, if they didn't give it to him people would be saying "it's because...
He was awarded the Horizon award so the race card couldn't be played, if they didn't give it to him people would be saying "it's because he's black".
He certainly wasn't the one deserving of the award and if you go off the true meaning of the award he didn't qualify for it.

To be fair though it's not really a relevant award seeing how many amateurs have won it in the past and gone on to do nothing in the pros.
RonJon wrote:
Of course someone had to to make a lame racist comment like this. Go crawl back under your rock dumb bogan.
I'm just stating facts mate there's no need to be emotional.
If you can elaborate on why he deserved the award then I'm all ears my friend.
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chippo wrote:
I'm just stating facts mate there's no need to be emotional. If you can elaborate on why he deserved the award then I'm all ears my...
I'm just stating facts mate there's no need to be emotional.
If you can elaborate on why he deserved the award then I'm all ears my friend.
I'd say because he won one of the Pro sport classes. The other Pro sport class winner didn't actually win a moto all week. so by default he probably has the best claim to the award on paper.

Jett was probably faster, Shimoda was probably faster, but they couldn't get it done. He did and as such deserved the award.

Everyone's the same colour with a helmet on so don't bring that rubbish in here mate.
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so now the award isnt worth shit, so now it is given by the titles.....why not give it to an australien native that didnt do his growing up in the ama amature scene ?? its better to discredit the prize, the talent of a foreigner or even pull the collor card !!!!...then there is always next year an maybe an american cant clean it up and all this shit is forgoten fast.......
wonder why much smaller moto markets and racing communities are producting much better talent around the world ??
i have been posting here about the signs of the youth level of us riders being falling behind, lots of sings for quite some time now, but i am always seen as just an hater, and those signs are never really discuss.....
so the most important youth race of the year decides gate places by luck !!!!!!! it just keeps adding and adding........
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Another mouth breather bringing up race 🤦‍♂️
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decano51 wrote:
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL. He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he...
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL.

He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he holds him self when things dont go right, really put me off. Not that my opinion matters... But i dont believe he deserved the award.

Yes, I'm an Aussie and Jett was the guy i want to win. But the guy showed speed, race craft and even when it didnt work out, he still held his own.
Not to mention its his first time showing and every one else his age is still racing 85's and supermini's.
Feel the same. Officially not a fan of his.
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RonJon 8/7/2019 4:51am
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chippo wrote:
I'm just stating facts mate there's no need to be emotional. If you can elaborate on why he deserved the award then I'm all ears my...
I'm just stating facts mate there's no need to be emotional.
If you can elaborate on why he deserved the award then I'm all ears my friend.
Because Jett couldn't get it done, yeah his bike let go in one moto but he choked in the other class. Other pro sport winner didn't win a moto. Both kids are fast and will have a successful career.
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seventeen 8/7/2019 4:57am
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So is it required that you win a class to receive the award? Also, is it required that it only goes to Open Pro Sport or...
So is it required that you win a class to receive the award? Also, is it required that it only goes to Open Pro Sport or 250 Pro Sport guys?

Just looking at average finish for Open and 250 Pro Sport:

Munoz - 3.5
Swoll - 15.5
Shimoda - 10
Lawrence - 7.5

Stilez Robertson had 1, 2 finishes in 250 B and Schoolboy 2 - 1.5 avg
Mason Gonsalez went 4, 1 in 250 B limited and 250 b - 2.5 avg
Matthew Leblanc went 1, 4 in 450 b, School Boy 2 - 2.5 avg
Hunter Yoder went 1, 3 in 450 B limited and 250 B limited - 2 avg

Basically, if you go with only pro sport classes, Munoz should have won by the numbers. But if you add in the B classes, then Robertson had the best week. If it's really who shows the best chance to succeed as a pro, Jett would most likely be the choice. Sucks... they should have given it to Munoz and Swoll as a shared award IMO.
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To be fair. You are averaging in a DNS from swoll in 250 pro sport. He was apparently injured and was trying to focus on open...
To be fair. You are averaging in a DNS from swoll in 250 pro sport. He was apparently injured and was trying to focus on open pro sport.
No offense to Munoz, but he was definitely not the fastest guy and I don’t think anyone would say he will have the most successful career based on what we saw at LL’s.
Tell that to Villopoto...
jorgechavez 8/7/2019 9:15am
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Because Jett couldn't get it done, yeah his bike let go in one moto but he choked in the other class. Other pro sport winner didn't...
Because Jett couldn't get it done, yeah his bike let go in one moto but he choked in the other class. Other pro sport winner didn't win a moto. Both kids are fast and will have a successful career.
Agreed on your last sentence. I don’t agree that Jett choked but facts are his bike finished every Open Pro Sport moto and he came up short on the title.

Maybe I’m the only one but I was fairly impressed with Swoll. He consistently put himself in a good spot off the start and handled the pressure of people behind him very well. Sort of reminded me of a certain KTM rider who won his first 450 SX title this year.
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jorgechavez wrote:
Agreed on your last sentence. I don’t agree that Jett choked but facts are his bike finished every Open Pro Sport moto and he came up...
Agreed on your last sentence. I don’t agree that Jett choked but facts are his bike finished every Open Pro Sport moto and he came up short on the title.

Maybe I’m the only one but I was fairly impressed with Swoll. He consistently put himself in a good spot off the start and handled the pressure of people behind him very well. Sort of reminded me of a certain KTM rider who won his first 450 SX title this year.
Swoll has always been solid off the start and rode just as hard as he needed to and get it done. he may not always be the fastest guy but he almost always puts in solid results. i have to respect that.
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WoodsRacer 8/7/2019 10:06am
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decano51 wrote:
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL. He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he...
I was a huge fan of Swoll prior to LL.

He always had that laid back attitude. After seeing him at LL and the way he holds him self when things dont go right, really put me off. Not that my opinion matters... But i dont believe he deserved the award.

Yes, I'm an Aussie and Jett was the guy i want to win. But the guy showed speed, race craft and even when it didnt work out, he still held his own.
Not to mention its his first time showing and every one else his age is still racing 85's and supermini's.
Villo2fan wrote:
Feel the same. Officially not a fan of his.
Does someone have a link to an interview/speech from Swoll or something that people are referencing in this thread?
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AngryBear 8/7/2019 11:58am
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WoodsRacer wrote:
Does someone have a link to an interview/speech from Swoll or something that people are referencing in this thread?
not from speech, but i think same vibe as what has people up in arms

"Not very big on awards or anything like that so at first I wasn’t too sold on the hype of the @ama_racing horizon award but once I actually thought about the names associated with the award and all the cool things those names went on to do I’m happy and thankful to have won the award, shout out to the crew "

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0wFdulBJRY/
WoodsRacer 8/7/2019 1:38pm
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WoodsRacer wrote:
Does someone have a link to an interview/speech from Swoll or something that people are referencing in this thread?
AngryBear wrote:
not from speech, but i think same vibe as what has people up in arms "Not very big on awards or anything like that so at...
not from speech, but i think same vibe as what has people up in arms

"Not very big on awards or anything like that so at first I wasn’t too sold on the hype of the @ama_racing horizon award but once I actually thought about the names associated with the award and all the cool things those names went on to do I’m happy and thankful to have won the award, shout out to the crew "

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0wFdulBJRY/
Thats it? For real?

From the sounds of it in here I would have thought he was going around kicking puppies...
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