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and the argument that it wont stop everything, is like saying all drugs should be legal because people take them anyway,
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Aside from that, nobody needs a gun to kill you. Or a bunch of people. Bombs are easy to make. Fires are easy to start. Cars are easy to drive right over people. It dont take much to kill us
It pains me to reach the point I have where I now question the sanity of the Second Amendment. I've grown up shooting a gun out ththe backyard before the age of 10, always respected the dangers of weapons, and feel that I have always acted responsibly with them. I no longer keep guns in the house because our youngest child is somewhat special needs and didn't always understand consequences of his Impulsiveness. But it wasn't because of any morality play on guns themselves.
Now I'm realizing that I may be suffering from cognitive dissonance when it comes to guns. I understand the Constitutional issues involved and don't believe that we should be passing laws that violate the Constitution so maybe it's time to explore whether it'd be good to amend a portion of it. We've had to do it to correct the notion that slaves were not only allowed, but were the equivalent of 5/9ths of a person. The Constitution isn't a sacred text, it's just how our population chooses to determine how we interact and govern. That should always be open to debate about change and those changes should have a very high bar to clear in order to be adopted, but it just may be time to think about it.
The whole issue is confusing as hell and it absolutely hurts my soul to think I may have been fooling myself for decades about this.....
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Alter the Constitution with a 2/3rds vote if you must, but it would be a massive mistake to create a scenario wherein only the law-abiding citizens had to relinquish gun ownership.
I'll help you: Gun control laws
I don't disagree with your point on vetting however what specifically is it about the AR 15 that requires extra checks and what other firearms also qualify as being like it?
There's a temptation to dismiss this as pure semantics but the vagueness surrounding the exact specifics has, imo, only poisoned the well and hindered one side from engaging in serious debate with the other. The pro gun side is broadly deeply suspicious (rightly or wrongly) of those on the opposite end of the argument, believing them to be on an ideological crusade to ultimately ban all firearms.
I'm not directing this at you but meaningless statements such as "military style", "assault rifle", "military grade", "automatic" "black rifles" etc don't help in this perception. I think we all know what these things mean to many people in an aesthetic sense, ideologically at least, but not what they could actually come to mean practically in a very real legal sense for American gun owners. Talk of banning (again not directed at you) or restricting the AR 15 is long term no different to talk of banning the M1 Garand or Mini 14 etc. Other than meaningless aesthetics they're on the same curve.
Infringe on people’s rights but some people don’t die
Don’t infringe on peoples rights but still let people die.
Something needs to be done but that solution is a hard one to come up with but needs to be talked about.
But what it comes down to is we can’t do anything our Congress has to they have to sit down and talk.
A federal data base would help there’s other options but out right banning a weapon/weapons is dumb.
But what really needs to be done is we HAVE TO HARDEN THE TARGETS. 89% of mass shootings are in “gun free zones”
Harden the schools
Harden the malls
Don’t make them easy targets, how many shootings has anyone heard of in court houses, or any other government buildings with armed guards.
Another issue I have is everything has to do with mass shootings but there are more people shot every month in Chicago and Baltimore then all modern “mass shootings”
I'll never deny that courts have tried to rationalize infringement, even though the Constitution clearly states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed......
Some people out there can’t handle it and are unable to differentiate it from reality. You only have to get on Twitter for 5 minutes before a fight breaks out. You can tell some are psycho’s. The crazies are always going to be able to get guns, knives or make bombs.
I just don’t see much stopping these individuals from killing if they have set their minds on destruction. It wouldn’t be hard to wipe out 20+ people with a truck/auto, home made bomb or whatever. I’m certainly not a “gun nut” ...far from it, I just don’t see them as the real problem. There r multiple ways to kill
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Sorry, GuyB, I had a chuckle on your behalf.
If you wish to restrict or ban the AR etc because it's a semi-automatic (and thus all magazine fed centrefire self loaders) then that at least is the basis for a logical argument with some bearing on reality. I don't agree with it personally (especially in the case of America) but I can at least see where someone is coming from with such an argument.
Both of those are carbines.
I own a semi-automatic RIFLE. It looks less frightening than an AR, but is capable of sooo much more damage. Yes, the rounds will cost you more, but you will gain that in effectiveness.
Here's the difference. On the right is an AR round.
Mine is in 6.8 SPC. Deadlier than the. 223 or 5.6, but on the left is a 30 caliber rifle round.
So much more energy. With FMJs, you could easily get 3-4 if they are lined up, with soft or ballistic tips, even a limb shot is easily fatal.
The rifle I shoot those from is your ordinary hunting rifle.
The bullet is small but does a lot of damage inside
I'll try it again.
Wounded soldiers are far more burdensome than dead ones.
So let's wound as many as we can, and make them have to care for them. The .30 caliber rifle will kill you, and my hunting rifle will send those down range at the same rate as my carbine AR.
Some people have loose screws.
Find them, and deal with them. Don't screw my pooch.
The only massacre my AR sees is on pigs.
Dammit, Bobby! (Sorry, I love saying that)
I don't know where we're going here, but I know how well armed I'll be.
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