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Your type cracks me up. You get all lathered up over one shooting incident like the other day and meanwhile in all those shithole inner cities across the county the body count is even higher, on a weekly basis, and you go on with your life like nothing is going on. Never even crosses your mind. You only have your knee-jerk reaction when the media puts it in front of your face and then Pavlov smiles from the grave as you guys predictably go off like a claymore.
Crime reports involving a gun went up after the UK brought in stricter gun laws but that included reports of toy guns, air rifles etc. Basically they had a box on a police report for gun and checked it if it included any type of report of a gun. They amended that and the reports of crimes with real guns dropped significantly.
- In the years before the act was commenced, Home Office statistics show that homicides involving firearms were 75 in 1993, the same in 1994, and 81 in 1995. Aside from spikes around the turn of the century, the subsequent years have all seen markedly lower gun-deaths recorded-
- For the past few years it has reported 20 deaths in 2014-15, 24 in 2015-16, 27 in 2016-17, and since 1 April this year, 15 deaths in England, Wales and Scotland. -
So gun deaths are in the twenties per year in the UK which has ~70M population. More than that died in the last week in the US in two incidents
But you don't throw the baby out with the dishwater.
All in all, the founding fathers were right in their model of government imo.
And a way to keep the public on a somewhat even keel, with what they experienced with the redcoats was correct imo.
The right to life was violated for a bunch of people in El Paso , Dayton, California, Pittsburgh, Tennessee recently because of the beliefs of a few people.
All laws exist in an arbitrary balance of freedom and order, just ask the lady with broken tail light in the other thread.
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Or a bazooka. Certain types of weapons have already been de facto outlawed.
But, for this situation to have developed, after what,
hundreds of years working, something else must have happened, or is happening.
What bothers me is the possibility a very important check on balance will vanish, because of what?
Some deranged kid influenced by some jerk that made millions designing a game like mortal combat?
With the exception of one year, more people are killed in one day on our roads than are killed in a year from mass shootings. Where is the fist pounding to get rid of cars?
OK. I wanted an answer and you gave one. Finally.
Whether or not I support the 2nd amendment is irrelevant by the way.
Do a little research on what it would take to amend the Constitution with regards to the 2nd amendment and you will come to understand why I disregard your solution. Hopefully, in your research, you may also become disabused of your notion that nobody here cares or wants to do anything about the problem. If I got a little salty it's because I don't like being stuffed into a box, simply so you can argue with the box. Please don't make assumptions about what I think as so far, your batting average is below the Mendoza line.
Ok, let’s ban hammers. Then they use screwdrivers. Ban them, they’ll use baseball bats. Ban them and they’ll use 2x4’s. Ban them and they’ll use rocks.
And on and on it goes. Whether it’s mental illness, or just bad behavior from having the crappy role models we have in society today, who knows.
I binged homicide rates, and the US is at 4.7 per 100,000 people which ranks at 111 on the list. The highest was Honduras at 90.4 per 100,000.
But do you not think it could be done?
Maybe they should make a movie about that.
In the years before the act was commenced, Home Office statistics show that homicides involving firearms were 75 in 1993, the same in 1994, and 81 in 1995. Aside from spikes around the turn of the century, the subsequent years have all seen markedly lower gun-deaths recorded
I can't help wonder whether some of those numbers were contributed to by The Troubles. Would love the link?
https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-…
Even aside the spike largely generated by the serial killer Harold Shipman in 2003, according to that source the homicide rate was still on the rise for a roughly 10 yr period following the ban. The firearm homicide graph also roughly coincides with that trend. It seems likely that an increase in police numbers and more advanced forensic techniques etc with regard to serious crime prevention helped lower those numbers in subsequent yrs; 2004 and onward to 2010.
And lastly, please keep in mind that of the gun crime that did take place, prior to and post the handgun ban - only a tiny tiny percentage of that involves the use of legally owned firearms. Hence my championing of the vetting process.
For the past few years it has reported 20 deaths in 2014-15, 24 in 2015-16, 27 in 2016-17, and since 1 April this year, 15 deaths in England, Wales and Scotland
Yes, gun crime is up, as is knife crime and violent offences. This once again roughly coincides with a drop in police numbers.
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Oh, and I never said I was part of any solutions. Ive said many times, c'mon Big Meteor and do your job already.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables
https://youtu.be/rvPRaxR7HOE
I apologise if it came across like i was suggesting nobody cared about the thousands of gun related deaths each year, obviously thats not the case. However from an outsiders point of view, more people care about the rights of gun owners than the lives of your citizens that are being cut down by gun crime.
I'm not suggesting no guns, thats not realistic at all, i'm suggesting tighter regulations on gun ownership. Licences, limits to quantity, type and storage of those weapons. We have guns here, i have guns personally. I'm licenced, the guns are registered, and stored in a fit for purpose gun safe. It's not as hard as everyone makes out. Mindset and culture needs to change for it to work, and i understand that it wont be as simple for you guys as it was here, but something needs to change.
Do you not agree or are you happy with the status quo?
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I have to enlist in the national guard, how about all the guns out there now are you going to collect them?
Make them illegal without a permit. Open up a gun amnesty and buy back for people to surrender weapons. It can work and has worked in other places. Culture and attitude towards guns needs to change first though.
Then you're not capable of being part of a well regulated militia.
That the Constitution calls for.
All you need is about $300.00 ,and some time.
Once you've been cleared for an FFL, you can buy all kinds of stuff.
And who said that the milita to be national Guard or active duty that just brings the government into the milita
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