MXGP silly season 2020

Ray_MXS wrote:

Remember, it's not like Suzuki fired Everts or anything. They would still provide factory backing for bikes and parts just before, they just cut all financial...

Remember, it's not like Suzuki fired Everts or anything. They would still provide factory backing for bikes and parts just before, they just cut all financial funding and Everts couldn't find enough sponsors that late in the season. Maybe they have a contract with Everts still but I have a very hard time believing Everts would block Suzukis way back in the GPs by choice. It's not like he wants the gig back now.

MXMattii wrote:

I don't say he's blocking them, Suzuki just don't want to buy him out and they also don't wanna create a shit storm by going to...

I don't say he's blocking them, Suzuki just don't want to buy him out and they also don't wanna create a shit storm by going to court. Reread: The Suzuki-Everts deal that runs to 2021 blocks all deals.

And I guess they better stay quiet too, those Japanese guys. Because they told the GPR (Everts) team in April, after the yearly meeting where they decided funding for both MXGP and MX2 were going to end, that they would sacrifice the Japanese MX Team and the MX2 team so the MXGP team with his two riders Seewer (Rookie) and Jasikonis could race their new bikes for the second year.

Also Sylvain Geboers isn't a saint in all of this. He saw that a lot of his former staff got the boot, because Stefan wanted to create a new boost. SG didn't took that well and didn't always had the best interests in mind when he communicated about the generation (Everts) towards Suzuki. Also: big changes on short time is something Japanese companies will never do and will never understand.

I don't get that people are so negative about Everts. To get the record straight, he got a contract from Yamaha to become the right hand from Rinaldi and to take over the team on mid long term. But he was very interested by the KTM program where he could develop their rear-suspension system and the 350cc. All that combined with the fact that he really loved to work with young talent made him choose for KTM. He worked with Jonass, Prado, Natzke, Mewse, ... But from the moment KTM signed Ken Roczen because SE72 didn't wanted to put all pressure on Herlings shoulders the relationship between Jeffrey Herlings and Stefan Everts went south. Combined with the fact that Herlings got protected by Pit Beier it became a ugly cockfight.

SE: "Don't ride with that broken shoulder blade in Lierop, you are already world champion, ..." But Pit protects him, gives him carte blanch. Herlings races and makes the injury worse and misses the MXON and the after season tests.

SE: Take a riding break from 4 weeks, I don't want you to be burned out.
JH Thinks: Fuck You and he buys him two 350cc bikes and rides private tracks.
SE: Angry - PB: Shuffle all of it under the carpet.

And there are more stories like that, then because it was unworkable, they created a Junior team with Prado, Natzke, Mewse and Jonass trained along with them. Not gonna tell ya he's a saint, but there is often more to a story then what we see, hear, ...

roninho wrote:

Oh i'm sure Herlings is a pain to work with. And i'm also sure that KTM tolerates a lot/put stuff under the carpet. But hey,that how...

Oh i'm sure Herlings is a pain to work with. And i'm also sure that KTM tolerates a lot/put stuff under the carpet.

But hey,that how stuff works in the real world. Everts failed to understand that his job was to maximize results of his riders, and that means sometimes manage riders differently then the way you as as rider yourself would have wanted/done things. One could see that with Herlings, but Seewer and Strijbos were also quite clear how they felt about the way Stefan managed his riders.

Robgvx wrote:

I’d listen to the advice of someone who’s won ten world championships.

Robgvx wrote:

I’d listen to the advice of someone who’s won ten world championships.

Ray_MXS wrote:

Remember, it's not like Suzuki fired Everts or anything. They would still provide factory backing for bikes and parts just before, they just cut all financial...

Remember, it's not like Suzuki fired Everts or anything. They would still provide factory backing for bikes and parts just before, they just cut all financial funding and Everts couldn't find enough sponsors that late in the season. Maybe they have a contract with Everts still but I have a very hard time believing Everts would block Suzukis way back in the GPs by choice. It's not like he wants the gig back now.

MXMattii wrote:

I don't say he's blocking them, Suzuki just don't want to buy him out and they also don't wanna create a shit storm by going to...

I don't say he's blocking them, Suzuki just don't want to buy him out and they also don't wanna create a shit storm by going to court. Reread: The Suzuki-Everts deal that runs to 2021 blocks all deals.

And I guess they better stay quiet too, those Japanese guys. Because they told the GPR (Everts) team in April, after the yearly meeting where they decided funding for both MXGP and MX2 were going to end, that they would sacrifice the Japanese MX Team and the MX2 team so the MXGP team with his two riders Seewer (Rookie) and Jasikonis could race their new bikes for the second year.

Also Sylvain Geboers isn't a saint in all of this. He saw that a lot of his former staff got the boot, because Stefan wanted to create a new boost. SG didn't took that well and didn't always had the best interests in mind when he communicated about the generation (Everts) towards Suzuki. Also: big changes on short time is something Japanese companies will never do and will never understand.

I don't get that people are so negative about Everts. To get the record straight, he got a contract from Yamaha to become the right hand from Rinaldi and to take over the team on mid long term. But he was very interested by the KTM program where he could develop their rear-suspension system and the 350cc. All that combined with the fact that he really loved to work with young talent made him choose for KTM. He worked with Jonass, Prado, Natzke, Mewse, ... But from the moment KTM signed Ken Roczen because SE72 didn't wanted to put all pressure on Herlings shoulders the relationship between Jeffrey Herlings and Stefan Everts went south. Combined with the fact that Herlings got protected by Pit Beier it became a ugly cockfight.

SE: "Don't ride with that broken shoulder blade in Lierop, you are already world champion, ..." But Pit protects him, gives him carte blanch. Herlings races and makes the injury worse and misses the MXON and the after season tests.

SE: Take a riding break from 4 weeks, I don't want you to be burned out.
JH Thinks: Fuck You and he buys him two 350cc bikes and rides private tracks.
SE: Angry - PB: Shuffle all of it under the carpet.

And there are more stories like that, then because it was unworkable, they created a Junior team with Prado, Natzke, Mewse and Jonass trained along with them. Not gonna tell ya he's a saint, but there is often more to a story then what we see, hear, ...

roninho wrote:

Oh i'm sure Herlings is a pain to work with. And i'm also sure that KTM tolerates a lot/put stuff under the carpet. But hey,that how...

Oh i'm sure Herlings is a pain to work with. And i'm also sure that KTM tolerates a lot/put stuff under the carpet.

But hey,that how stuff works in the real world. Everts failed to understand that his job was to maximize results of his riders, and that means sometimes manage riders differently then the way you as as rider yourself would have wanted/done things. One could see that with Herlings, but Seewer and Strijbos were also quite clear how they felt about the way Stefan managed his riders.

steed 2.0 wrote:

Where Everts is, there is tension...he works from a conflict model... for example De Reuver works from a harmony model... nevertheless there are many ways to...

Where Everts is, there is tension...he works from a conflict model... for example De Reuver works from a harmony model... nevertheless there are many ways to skin a rabbit.

steed 2.0 wrote:

Where Everts is, there is tension...he works from a conflict model... for example De Reuver works from a harmony model... nevertheless there are many ways to...

Where Everts is, there is tension...he works from a conflict model... for example De Reuver works from a harmony model... nevertheless there are many ways to skin a rabbit.

MXMattii wrote:

https://youtu.be/omxZ7BttxDU

https://youtu.be/MihxZ__gn-U

Harmony model

Robgvx wrote:

I’d listen to the advice of someone who’s won ten world championships.

Robgvx wrote:

I’d listen to the advice of someone who’s won ten world championships.

roninho wrote:

I would as well. Doesnt mean he is a good team manager though.

MXMattii wrote:

I won't say he's a great people manager. It's a bit "his way or the highway". With Strijbos it really didn't clicked but, Kevin is really...

I won't say he's a great people manager. It's a bit "his way or the highway". With Strijbos it really didn't clicked but, Kevin is really relaxed and Sylvain was always OK with being top ten, top five. And then you get a new boss who tells you that you wasted a lot of talent and time by being happy finishing top ten, top five and being over the moon with podiums. So he tried to change that mentality but you can't change someone who's +30 years old.

I remember a story about KS being fifth in qualifying in MXGP of Italy (trentino) and KS rode under the tent happy as a child. And SE started straight on with saying what could've gone better and that he screwed up some chances to pass the guy in front of him. KS went ballistic yelled something, took his pitbike and rode off.

But you say following thing
"Everts failed to understand that his job was to maximize results of his riders, and that means sometimes manage riders differently then the way you as as rider yourself would have wanted/done things."

He maximized the results of Jonass together with his dad he almost made him a world champion, if it wasn't for that screw up in the pits at the Assen Grand Prix. I won't say he maximized Prado his results because he's a special case but what he did with Natzke was special too! That kid was really lost at his first race on European soil at Mons in Belgium, I saw him ride and thought; is that KTM Factory material? Did he bought himself into the team?! But at the end of the season he won EMX125 races. Because they know that their way works they are just very stubborn to change things, and that creates problems now these days. In the past young riders would've give a left testicle to hear why both Stefan and Harry made it. Now they are all pretty cocky and are raised as snowflakes thinking they are all so damn special.

But to end with what I started, people management isn't his greatest skill. Probably because he is raised pretty though and the teams weren't pampering riders as they are doing now, when he started his career as teenager. That I guess created a bit that: "choke or swallow mentality". Helping a rider getting better, saying things that probably can hurt your feeling but it's for a greater good, becoming better and win races and championships so you can choose what to do; swallow it and use it to become better or yeah choke in it...

MXMattii wrote:

I won't say he's a great people manager. It's a bit "his way or the highway". With Strijbos it really didn't clicked but, Kevin is really...

I won't say he's a great people manager. It's a bit "his way or the highway". With Strijbos it really didn't clicked but, Kevin is really relaxed and Sylvain was always OK with being top ten, top five. And then you get a new boss who tells you that you wasted a lot of talent and time by being happy finishing top ten, top five and being over the moon with podiums. So he tried to change that mentality but you can't change someone who's +30 years old.

I remember a story about KS being fifth in qualifying in MXGP of Italy (trentino) and KS rode under the tent happy as a child. And SE started straight on with saying what could've gone better and that he screwed up some chances to pass the guy in front of him. KS went ballistic yelled something, took his pitbike and rode off.

But you say following thing
"Everts failed to understand that his job was to maximize results of his riders, and that means sometimes manage riders differently then the way you as as rider yourself would have wanted/done things."

He maximized the results of Jonass together with his dad he almost made him a world champion, if it wasn't for that screw up in the pits at the Assen Grand Prix. I won't say he maximized Prado his results because he's a special case but what he did with Natzke was special too! That kid was really lost at his first race on European soil at Mons in Belgium, I saw him ride and thought; is that KTM Factory material? Did he bought himself into the team?! But at the end of the season he won EMX125 races. Because they know that their way works they are just very stubborn to change things, and that creates problems now these days. In the past young riders would've give a left testicle to hear why both Stefan and Harry made it. Now they are all pretty cocky and are raised as snowflakes thinking they are all so damn special.

But to end with what I started, people management isn't his greatest skill. Probably because he is raised pretty though and the teams weren't pampering riders as they are doing now, when he started his career as teenager. That I guess created a bit that: "choke or swallow mentality". Helping a rider getting better, saying things that probably can hurt your feeling but it's for a greater good, becoming better and win races and championships so you can choose what to do; swallow it and use it to become better or yeah choke in it...

motomoto652 wrote:

I thought Sewer was going to 2nd spot at Honda and Yamaha was only running 2- Paulin and Tonus with Febvre to Kawasaki with Desalle.

roninho wrote:

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense. But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in...

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense.
But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in the run taking Bogers spot.

If it is MXGP's spot then i would actually pick Vlaanderen over Evans if i'm HRC.

roninho wrote:

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense. But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in...

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense.
But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in the run taking Bogers spot.

If it is MXGP's spot then i would actually pick Vlaanderen over Evans if i'm HRC.

DeStouwer wrote:

Meh... I don't know... I think Vlaanderen's progress is about to hit the ceiling. Evans' margin is bigger in my opinion.

roninho wrote:

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense. But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in...

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense.
But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in the run taking Bogers spot.

If it is MXGP's spot then i would actually pick Vlaanderen over Evans if i'm HRC.

DeStouwer wrote:

Meh... I don't know... I think Vlaanderen's progress is about to hit the ceiling. Evans' margin is bigger in my opinion.

roninho wrote:

Well to be honest i wouldnt pick Vlaanderen at HRC MXGP, with the same reason you are saying as him hitting the ceiling. Evans is younger...

Well to be honest i wouldnt pick Vlaanderen at HRC MXGP, with the same reason you are saying as him hitting the ceiling.

Evans is younger and just recently in the series so i guess it's more likely he can still grow. Having said that it is really a very small sample of results he has shown, and the results he has shown are below what Vlaanderen has shown he is capable of. He has 6 top 5 finishes including 2 3rd places. If i'm HRC i'm interested in Evans for MX2, but for MXGP #2 next to gajser i much rather pick Seewer or even Anstie/van Horebeek, and first let Evans show he really is something special.

roninho wrote:

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense. But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in...

Yeah i agree. Unless it is Evans taking the MX2 spot of Vlaanderen. That makes more sense.
But mxplanet is reporting it that Evans is in the run taking Bogers spot.

If it is MXGP's spot then i would actually pick Vlaanderen over Evans if i'm HRC.

DeStouwer wrote:

Meh... I don't know... I think Vlaanderen's progress is about to hit the ceiling. Evans' margin is bigger in my opinion.

roninho wrote:

Well to be honest i wouldnt pick Vlaanderen at HRC MXGP, with the same reason you are saying as him hitting the ceiling. Evans is younger...

Well to be honest i wouldnt pick Vlaanderen at HRC MXGP, with the same reason you are saying as him hitting the ceiling.

Evans is younger and just recently in the series so i guess it's more likely he can still grow. Having said that it is really a very small sample of results he has shown, and the results he has shown are below what Vlaanderen has shown he is capable of. He has 6 top 5 finishes including 2 3rd places. If i'm HRC i'm interested in Evans for MX2, but for MXGP #2 next to gajser i much rather pick Seewer or even Anstie/van Horebeek, and first let Evans show he really is something special.

DeStouwer wrote:

True.

Anyway, rumour has it that HSF will make a comeback with their own team, and with Vlaanderen and Bogers as their riders.

DeStouwer wrote:

True.

Anyway, rumour has it that HSF will make a comeback with their own team, and with Vlaanderen and Bogers as their riders.

roninho wrote:

Some interesting bits from mxplanet: * HSF is out at HRC. No mention if they will continue in the sport * Bogers is out at HRC...

Some interesting bits from mxplanet:

* HSF is out at HRC. No mention if they will continue in the sport
* Bogers is out at HRC (which was allready confirmed)
* Vlaanderen is out at HRC
* Seewer is likely to re-sign with Yamaha
* Mitch Evans is in the running for the HRC MXGP spot next to Gajser

The last part is a bit of a shocker for me.