Castillo Ranch

scgmoto
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Got this email from Castillo Ranch over the weekend. What are your thoughts, ideas, to help it keep going?



We are dropping you this email to discuss the future of our Castillo Ranch MX track being available to you. Attendance started out strong, and through your donations, we were able to cover the costs of the insurance premium, tractor fuel and maintenance, water system and well maintenance, and help with track prep... over the last couple of months, attendance has fallen off to the point where it's just no longer doable. We spend a ton of time out there prepping and repairing things. We are spending a fair amount of money to keep it going and not able to recoup those expenses with the current attendance donations.

We will not be running the track this weekend, as we are all away and there is nobody to do it. We plan to run it next Wednesday and that following Saturday, most likely for the last time under this format.

What we wanted to ask is, we have talked about making the track into a Moto club. Something along the lines of a monthly fee and the track would be open and prepped two or three days a week. Members would have a pass and could come any day it was open... We are open to suggestions. We know its great for everyone up in our area to have a track to ride. So maybe we can come up with a solution, if enough people wanted to do something like that.

Feel free to respond in any way and we will see where it goes from here. In any case, we have enjoyed hosting you all and meeting so many new people. Moto peeps are the best peeps.
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kb228
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7/29/2019 7:31am
Its confusing to me how many riders are in cali but not that many places to ride.

But a place open all the time is a good idea. Not everyone can make it on the days a track is open.
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7/29/2019 7:31am
That's a shame. I think something that happens to a lot of tracks is they see less people come out, so they don't do a full prep, and this causes even less people to come out.

Something needs to decrease the risk of track owners spending whatever it costs to prep a track and having no one show up. Some type of up-front payment system alleviates this. One way is to have people pay in advance, and they only open if enough people pay for that day. Or maybe they just water, but not rip / disc, if a small number of people are coming to ride. I assume water is not cheap in Central California, though.
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500guy
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7/29/2019 8:00am
what an awesome place, Just shows how expensive it is to operate a track and how hard it is to maintain a good number of riders.

I think one downfall is how far away from everything the place is, I bet with normal traffic it's hard to get out there to ride.
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crc245
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7/29/2019 9:23am
Open to suggestions?

Bring Ed back...
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7/29/2019 10:00am
I haven't been to Castillo because I haven't been able to navigate the social network to go. For Zaca, I could text Ed or Tammi and I'd be all set. Now I have no clue who to get in touch with.

Need to loop in more of the people who went to Zaca regularly. For example - all of NorCal. May Bay Area folks frequently went down to Zaca for a day of moto and a day of dunes, or even two days of moto.

I'd be going down if I had access.

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7/29/2019 10:09am
I want to go ride it, but living 3+ hours away doesn’t make it convenient for myself. Hopefully I will get a chance sooner than later.

Maybe if it was a more of a special event type day like some other private tracks, make every other Saturday during the winter and Limit it during the summer when it’s harder to maintain prep.

Wednesday’s won’t get many people with its location. You’ll get the locals. Just Not sure how many locals are up there that can ride twice a week.
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Ride Smooth
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7/29/2019 10:15am
As NeuroMaxwell said, maybe an online sign up, where they post the available open ride days for the next 30 days on the first of each month? They can include the "magic" # of available slots that makes (financial) sense to open and it is a first-come-first-serve situation. Have the cutoff 3-5 days before, so Castillo crew knows whether they need to prep that day (assuming that is enough lead time for them?) and riders can make other plans if Castillo won't be open.
This could be a viable way to determine long-term potential for the Castillo family.
As far as payments go, they would need to require prepay (to avoid people bailing out at the last minute), but also a way to refund everyone's money should not enough riders sign up.
Hope it works out and they can figure out a way to keep the ranch open to riders as it's such a fantastic location for a track.
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7/29/2019 10:21am
As NeuroMaxwell said, maybe an online sign up, where they post the available open ride days for the next 30 days on the first of each...
As NeuroMaxwell said, maybe an online sign up, where they post the available open ride days for the next 30 days on the first of each month? They can include the "magic" # of available slots that makes (financial) sense to open and it is a first-come-first-serve situation. Have the cutoff 3-5 days before, so Castillo crew knows whether they need to prep that day (assuming that is enough lead time for them?) and riders can make other plans if Castillo won't be open.
This could be a viable way to determine long-term potential for the Castillo family.
As far as payments go, they would need to require prepay (to avoid people bailing out at the last minute), but also a way to refund everyone's money should not enough riders sign up.
Hope it works out and they can figure out a way to keep the ranch open to riders as it's such a fantastic location for a track.
Sounds complex.

The Zaca way (send text, get on list) seemed to work pretty darn well and didn't require building website and giving money away to payment processors.
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7/29/2019 10:22am
All you have to do is follow Castillo Ranch on Insta and they post when they will be open. Send a DM and you're set. The randomness of the schedule, and location will always be an attendance issue during the week.

I'll never be able to make it on a weekday with work and all.
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7/29/2019 10:26am
avidchimp wrote:
All you have to do is follow Castillo Ranch on Insta and they post when they will be open. Send a DM and you're set. The...
All you have to do is follow Castillo Ranch on Insta and they post when they will be open. Send a DM and you're set. The randomness of the schedule, and location will always be an attendance issue during the week.

I'll never be able to make it on a weekday with work and all.
Mucho gracias.
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7/29/2019 10:31am
crc245 wrote:
Open to suggestions?

Bring Ed back...
Is Ed not a part of it anymore?
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7/29/2019 1:57pm
Most people do not know there is a track web site and know how to access the track site and that it is required to pre-register and prepay to ride. They need to simplify the entire pre-registration process. I would say this is a major road block for people wanting to ride at the track.
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rider41
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7/29/2019 3:17pm
Not hard at all to sign up. Ever have a Library card? Its that easy.

Sign up, pay and bring your signed form at the entrance. Cakewalk.

Side bonus... Nice people, everywhere. I spoke with Jim Castillo a couple weeks ago and had just as much fun talking to him about the Great Western race days than riding. Very friendly and down to earth.

Its not busy but lots of fun. Jumps are cool, track is groomed and watered perfectly.

Im sure it will not stay around if head count stays low. Then, everyone will complain there's no Mid-state tracks. Just like Piru when guys pissed and moaned about an increase, now its gone. Participate or lose it.
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7/29/2019 3:27pm
One of the nicest tracks in Texas operates on a membership basis—Swan MX in Tyler, TX. They have single and family memberships, and depending on the time of year you can get a partial-year deal. I’m a fan of the Moto-club format, just like golf courses / country clubs. Pay an annual or monthly fee and ride as much as you want. Provides a steady income for the track, which is a great business model.
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RichieW13
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7/29/2019 3:46pm
I was not even aware that the track was available to the public.
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rider41
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7/29/2019 4:08pm
RichieW13 wrote:
I was not even aware that the track was available to the public.
I live near you. Its the same distance to Castillo's as it is to MIlestone. Good change, cool weather..
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7/29/2019 4:11pm
RichieW13 wrote:
I was not even aware that the track was available to the public.
rider41 wrote:
I live near you. Its the same distance to Castillo's as it is to MIlestone. Good change, cool weather..
And a much more pleasant drive.
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7/29/2019 6:06pm
crc245 wrote:
Open to suggestions?

Bring Ed back...
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Is Ed not a part of it anymore?
Purely speculation, but once Zaca was finished and the set-up was handled at Castillo, it'd be easy to think he wouldn't be an essential part of the new operation Sad


Seems like two ride days a month in the proper seasons or invite only days sporadically, ala Chaney (RIP for them? It's been far too long since I've heard of a Chaney day...) would be better suited for a locale like Castillo.
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7/29/2019 6:15pm
What!? Castillo Ranch is now open to the public!? How about promote it a bit. I'm in So Cal and didn't even know. Also keep in mind it is July now so rider counts will be down. How do we get on the list to get in?
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mototyme
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7/29/2019 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2019 9:17pm
chuckie108 wrote:
What!? Castillo Ranch is now open to the public!? How about promote it a bit. I'm in So Cal and didn't even know. Also keep in...
What!? Castillo Ranch is now open to the public!? How about promote it a bit. I'm in So Cal and didn't even know. Also keep in mind it is July now so rider counts will be down. How do we get on the list to get in?
This is exactly what I was trying to say about access to the Castillo track. If you are not in the know about how to get in then there is almost no way to figure this out. It is not as easy as setting up a library card. The process to ride there needs to be simplified and easy to set up as an outsider.
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7/29/2019 10:00pm
chuckie108 wrote:
What!? Castillo Ranch is now open to the public!? How about promote it a bit. I'm in So Cal and didn't even know. Also keep in...
What!? Castillo Ranch is now open to the public!? How about promote it a bit. I'm in So Cal and didn't even know. Also keep in mind it is July now so rider counts will be down. How do we get on the list to get in?
Yeah it would be helpful to know there is another track open in my area. Kinda hard to go somewhere you don’t know is open to the public
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