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This is a 2004 Cr 125 and I've had it about 3 years. From day one it's been a plug fouler. I also have a 2002 (basically same bike) that has NEVER fouled a plug. I found an old thread on here and there were a lot of stuff thrown out but never really nothing for sure.
In that thread there was several people that threw around the idea of a bad CDI box or bad carburation. I've also been told by a couple other people that a weak stator could cause this problem. Unfortunately one of the few differences between my two CR125's is the stator and I assume the CDI is different since the 2004 was the only year that had the electronic power vavle, correct?
If my son rides the bike on the track like he is supposed to then its never a problem but just putt putting around the track or some slow friends ride it, they will be fouling the plug really quickly.
One other thing that is bad about the bike is that it is one seriously cold natured bike. If it sits for a week it will take you no less than 50-60 kicks to get it fired up and 50% of the time you will foul the plug in the process. The 02 125 can sit for 6 months and a couple kicks is all she ever takes.
I just don 't think it's in the jetting due to this hard starting problem. But anyway the jets sizes are 37.5 slow and 400 main. Any ideas?
Thanks for any input.
In that thread there was several people that threw around the idea of a bad CDI box or bad carburation. I've also been told by a couple other people that a weak stator could cause this problem. Unfortunately one of the few differences between my two CR125's is the stator and I assume the CDI is different since the 2004 was the only year that had the electronic power vavle, correct?
If my son rides the bike on the track like he is supposed to then its never a problem but just putt putting around the track or some slow friends ride it, they will be fouling the plug really quickly.
One other thing that is bad about the bike is that it is one seriously cold natured bike. If it sits for a week it will take you no less than 50-60 kicks to get it fired up and 50% of the time you will foul the plug in the process. The 02 125 can sit for 6 months and a couple kicks is all she ever takes.
I just don 't think it's in the jetting due to this hard starting problem. But anyway the jets sizes are 37.5 slow and 400 main. Any ideas?
Thanks for any input.
You can pull the ignition side and see if its leaking, clutch side you can't.
Had a yami do it.
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When you say lean the needle do you mean change it or change the clip positions. I do thing I am gonna swap the carbs and try that though.
Thanks
Since you mention the bike is very cold natured I'd lean toward the jetting or right side crank seal issue. Does the bike have black spooge coming from the exhaust? More than the one that runs good?
My experience with CDI and Stators is they're either good or bad. I've never seen an ignition system cause a bike to run poorly, only not run at all.
Not really good at carbs but how would the jetting cause poor cranking? Really I don't know and would appreciate an explanation on that and specifically which are of the card affects that. I know it's not the main just so I take it it's either the pilot jet or air screw?
Thanks,
Gerald
The only way to know what jetting changes you will need is by trial-and-error. No one can give you jetting specs, because every bike is different, every rider has a different style, and jetting is totally weather dependent. Unless the person telling you what jets to use is riding an identical bike, on the exact same track, at the same time, his recommendations are meaningless.
Jetting is fairly simple, and is a useful skill to learn if you ride a two-stroke and want it to perform at it's best.
It's very important that you start with the pilot circuit. The reason is simple. The pilot circuit affects the entire throttle range. When you are at full throttle, the main jet is the primary fuel metering device, but the pilot is still delivering fuel as well, adding to the total amount of fuel that your engine is receiving.
Before you start to rejet your bike, you need a clean air filter, a fresh plug (actually you need several plugs to do plug-chop tests for the main jet), and fresh fuel.
One important detail: Make sure the engine is in good mechanical condition. If your engine has a worn top-end, fix it first. Trying to jet a worn out engine is a waste of time. The same goes for reeds that don't seal properly, and a silencer that needs re-packing. Worn reeds will mimic rich jetting, and worn rings will mimic lean jetting.
Before you start the jet testing, Install a fresh plug. Set the float level to the proper specs, an incorrect float height will affect your jetting all across the throttle range.
Warm the bike completely, and shut it off.
As already stated, start with the pilot circuit. Turn the air screw all the way in, then turn it out 1.5 turns to start. Start the engine, and turn the idle screw in until you get a slightly fast idle, or hold the throttle just barely cracked, to keep the engine idleing. Turn the airscrew slowly in, and then out, until you find the point where the idle is fastest. Stop there. Do not open the screw any farther, or your throttle response will be flat and mushy, and the bike may even bog. This is only the starting point, we will still have to tune the air screw for the best response.
Now is the time to determine if you have the correct pilot installed in your carb. The air screw position determines this for you, making it very simple. If your air screw is less than 1 turn from closed, you need a larger pilot jet. If it is more than 2.5 turns from closed, you need a smaller pilot jet.
Once you have determined (and installed it if it's neccessary to change it) the correct pilot jet size, and tuned the air screw for the fastest idle, it's time to tune the air screw for the best throttle response. Again, make sure the bike is at full operating temperature. Set the idle back down (the bike should still idle, despite what you read in the Moto Tabloids), and ride the bike, using closed-to-1/4 throttle transitions. Turn the air screw slightly in either direction until you find the point that gives you the best response when cracking the throttle open. Most bikes are sensitive to changes as small as 1/8 of a turn.
The air screw is not a set-it-and-leave-it adjustment. You have to constantly re-adjust the air screw to compensate for changing outdoor temps and humidity. An air screw setting that is perfect in the cool morning air will likely be too rich in the heat of the mid-day.
Now, it's time to work on the needle. Mark the throttle grip at 1/4 and 3/4 openings. Ride the bike between these two marks. If the bike bogs for a second before responding to throttle, lower the clip (raising the needle) a notch at a time until the engine picks up smoothly. If the bike sputters or sounds rough when giving it throttle, raise the clip (lowering the needle) until it runs cleanly. There isn't really any way to test the needle other than by feel, but it's usually quite obvious when it's right or wrong.
Last is the main jet. The main jet affects from 1/2 to full throttle. The easiest way to test it is to do a throttle-chop test. With the bike fully warmed up, find a long straight, and install a fresh plug. Start the engine, and do a full-throttle run down the straight, through all gears. As soon as the bike tops out, pull the clutch in, and kill the engine, coasting to a stop. Remove the plug, and look deep down inside the threads, at the base of the insulator. If it is white or gray, the main is too lean. If it is dark brown or black, the main is too rich. The correct color is a medium-dark mocha brown or tan.
Once you have a little bit of experience with jetting changes, and you start to learn the difference in feel between "rich" and "lean", you'll begine to learn, just from the sound of the exhaust and the feel of the power, not only if the bike is running rich or lean, but even which one of the carb circuits is the culprit.
The slide is also a tuning variable for jetting, but slides are very expensive, and few bikes need different slides, so we won't go into that here.
Keep in mind, even though this article is intended primarily for two-strokes, four-strokes also need proper jetting to perform right, although they are not quite as fussy as their oil-burning cousins. The only real difference in the two is with the pilot circuit.
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I wish this guy was on here yet . I just turned my idle up . I always set my 125,s not to idle , to get engine braking to come in hotter. But too easy to stall the bike with no idle . DBP tuning today . I think I need a leaner 37.5 pilot , I,m 2 turns out on air screw
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