Motocross still the OG of deathcross.

Park Boys
Posts
3835
Joined
3/23/2012
Location
USA
There seems to be a trend lately of Supercross bashing which usually stems around Supercross being labeled as “deathcross” to dangerous compared to the increasingly safer motocross. After Roczens injury where we all thought we just watched arguably the best rider in the world end his career really put a hamper on SX IMO but with the news of AC pulling out of the rest of the year I say we should examine this factually. Now a disclaimer, I am talking about guys that I perceive to be the elite guys of our little sport.
GPs
Herlings - injured In 14,15,16,17,18 although he still won and he has done three motos this year.
AC - it’s time to say it and as a fan I don’t like this but he is now injury prone. Blew his knee out at the 14 des nations. 15 and 16 were riddled with nagging injuries and by the end of 18 he was beat up and of course now he is out for the year.
Gajser - started off 17 great and of course was injuried later on and before 18 even started he had a nasty crash and missed the start of the year and as you can clearly see this year he was a shell of his former self in 18. Knocking on wood so nothing happens to Tim.
Febvre - Has had the worst of it, it seems for the GPs “big 5” he has not been at the sharp end of the pack on a consistent basis sense Matterly of 2016. Something seems to always happen to him.
DeSalle - Has been injury prone for a lot of his career with it seemingly getting worse. 15,16 were lost to injuries and he was hurt by the end of 17 and now he is hurt.. again. At least no one else was hurt in Russia.
The 15 season had the four top guys all go out one by one fairly early and Herlings got hurt that year as well.
This year out of the Big 5 only ONE remains.... In fact Herlings, AC, Gajser, Febvre and DeSalle have never been 100 percent healthy at the same time since Herlings moved up, Not even close.

Stateside Thunder valley took Stew and Tomac out of titles on the same section, the Tomac crash has been far and away the worse of his career. Dungey cracked his vertebrae thus starting his early retirement. Anderson was hurt this year in SX but can’t make it through an MX season healthy it seems. Bagget In 17 at Red Bud. Musquin tweaked his knee in 17 as well. On the 250 side J Mart still has not raced yet since the muddy creek incident. I don’t want to say anything else and jinx this season as it is going too good.

SX outside of Roczen in 17 has been pretty good for the elite guys the last few years. Sure Tomac and Musquin missed a round last year and came into this year a little banged up but they have missed one race each since 16. Roczens injury in 18 had nothing to do with SX and everything to do with hating Webb. Anderson of course got hurt this year in SX but was ready for MX at least. Wilson’s injury this year was caused by a bike malfunction. So at least for the elite guys of the sport someone prove me wrong and please tell me how safe MX is and how dangerous SX is.
1
9
|
GuyB
Posts
35722
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA, USA
7/7/2019 4:26pm
News alert...dirt bikes can be dangerous...particularly done at the speed that those guys go.

That's part of the self-limiting thing that keeps it from growing. But for those willing to take the risk (and riders understand this, whether they'll admit it or not), it's also part of the appeal. Not everyone can do this.
25
7/7/2019 4:30pm
No offense but you’re not thinking about all the variables.

Some people are upset with Supercross because the injuries are a function of how difficult the track is versus how fast a rider goes. Irrespective of who gets hurt where, a lot of injuries in Supercross seem unnecessary or at least a function of how freaking hard the track is.
1
cjg23307
Posts
469
Joined
1/3/2009
Location
Savage, MD, USA
7/7/2019 4:49pm
Park Boys wrote:
There seems to be a trend lately of Supercross bashing which usually stems around Supercross being labeled as “deathcross” to dangerous compared to the increasingly safer...
There seems to be a trend lately of Supercross bashing which usually stems around Supercross being labeled as “deathcross” to dangerous compared to the increasingly safer motocross. After Roczens injury where we all thought we just watched arguably the best rider in the world end his career really put a hamper on SX IMO but with the news of AC pulling out of the rest of the year I say we should examine this factually. Now a disclaimer, I am talking about guys that I perceive to be the elite guys of our little sport.
GPs
Herlings - injured In 14,15,16,17,18 although he still won and he has done three motos this year.
AC - it’s time to say it and as a fan I don’t like this but he is now injury prone. Blew his knee out at the 14 des nations. 15 and 16 were riddled with nagging injuries and by the end of 18 he was beat up and of course now he is out for the year.
Gajser - started off 17 great and of course was injuried later on and before 18 even started he had a nasty crash and missed the start of the year and as you can clearly see this year he was a shell of his former self in 18. Knocking on wood so nothing happens to Tim.
Febvre - Has had the worst of it, it seems for the GPs “big 5” he has not been at the sharp end of the pack on a consistent basis sense Matterly of 2016. Something seems to always happen to him.
DeSalle - Has been injury prone for a lot of his career with it seemingly getting worse. 15,16 were lost to injuries and he was hurt by the end of 17 and now he is hurt.. again. At least no one else was hurt in Russia.
The 15 season had the four top guys all go out one by one fairly early and Herlings got hurt that year as well.
This year out of the Big 5 only ONE remains.... In fact Herlings, AC, Gajser, Febvre and DeSalle have never been 100 percent healthy at the same time since Herlings moved up, Not even close.

Stateside Thunder valley took Stew and Tomac out of titles on the same section, the Tomac crash has been far and away the worse of his career. Dungey cracked his vertebrae thus starting his early retirement. Anderson was hurt this year in SX but can’t make it through an MX season healthy it seems. Bagget In 17 at Red Bud. Musquin tweaked his knee in 17 as well. On the 250 side J Mart still has not raced yet since the muddy creek incident. I don’t want to say anything else and jinx this season as it is going too good.

SX outside of Roczen in 17 has been pretty good for the elite guys the last few years. Sure Tomac and Musquin missed a round last year and came into this year a little banged up but they have missed one race each since 16. Roczens injury in 18 had nothing to do with SX and everything to do with hating Webb. Anderson of course got hurt this year in SX but was ready for MX at least. Wilson’s injury this year was caused by a bike malfunction. So at least for the elite guys of the sport someone prove me wrong and please tell me how safe MX is and how dangerous SX is.
Great points. I agree!!
1
ayearinmx
Posts
2760
Joined
3/5/2007
Location
GB
7/7/2019 4:50pm
Shocking that 100% of MXGP injuries came during motocross and 0% came because of supercross. That means motocross is 100% more dangerous than supercross.

Fact.

19

The Shop

Kelz87
Posts
1340
Joined
7/21/2018
Location
Phoenix, AZ, USA
Fantasy
7/7/2019 4:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2019 4:56pm
I get what you’re saying, and I’ve always thought MX was just as dangerous if not more so because of the momentum of how fast the guys are going.

But there were probably just as many injuries in either series: Seely busted his shit, Mookie broke his femur this year, Reedy and Brayton, Deano, Hill, etc...(edit: PEICK!) recently injured in SX.

But with SX-if your timing is off on just one obstacle, the potential for injury skyrockets
2
early
Posts
9911
Joined
2/13/2013
Location
University Heights, OH, USA
7/7/2019 5:09pm
Seems like the average speed in GP s is higher than US Nationals because of the track design/prep. Hunter Lawrence went into this pretty in depth in his interview with mathes after Redbud. Higher speeds can lead to worse injuries when it all goes wrong.
Park Boys
Posts
3835
Joined
3/23/2012
Location
USA
7/7/2019 5:26pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2019 5:32pm
Kelz87 wrote:
I get what you’re saying, and I’ve always thought MX was just as dangerous if not more so because of the momentum of how fast the...
I get what you’re saying, and I’ve always thought MX was just as dangerous if not more so because of the momentum of how fast the guys are going.

But there were probably just as many injuries in either series: Seely busted his shit, Mookie broke his femur this year, Reedy and Brayton, Deano, Hill, etc...(edit: PEICK!) recently injured in SX.

But with SX-if your timing is off on just one obstacle, the potential for injury skyrockets
Reed, Brayton and Mookie are all SX only plus I don’t think of them as “elite”. So it really dosent effect MX In my eyes. I would have brought up more MX injuries but this was more a rebuttal to the growing Vital member bitching about SX being dangerous while completely glossing over MX. It’s idiotc, MX and SX are about as dangerous as it gets yet people seem to only concentrate on SX. The hatred of SX seems to stem partially from the US not winning the des nations for awhile IMO.

Still Tomac and Musquin have missed two SX races between them in 4 years that’s amazing in my eyes. Musquins injuries since coming to America have been more in MX than SX as well. They are both dangerous to the Max.
2
3
Park Boys
Posts
3835
Joined
3/23/2012
Location
USA
7/7/2019 5:32pm
early wrote:
Seems like the average speed in GP s is higher than US Nationals because of the track design/prep. Hunter Lawrence went into this pretty in depth...
Seems like the average speed in GP s is higher than US Nationals because of the track design/prep. Hunter Lawrence went into this pretty in depth in his interview with mathes after Redbud. Higher speeds can lead to worse injuries when it all goes wrong.
Russia’s avg speed was ridiculous.
hillbilly
Posts
9079
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Afton, TN, USA
7/7/2019 5:33pm
Se ems like a lot of riders get hurt during the week on their practice track.

1
kb228
Posts
6153
Joined
1/31/2018
Location
Mansfield, OH, USA
7/7/2019 5:38pm
BREAKING NEWS: YEAR LONG STUDY FINDS THAT RIDING MOTORCYCLES POSES HIGH RISK FOR RIDERS
2
dimetime
Posts
639
Joined
5/27/2017
Location
Huntington Beach, CA, USA
7/7/2019 7:22pm
This topic annoys the shit out of me. They're both dangerous as fuck and for most of us we get it and accept it. I seriously do not understand the plethora of injury threads and the shear panic in which some of react to it all.

Any attempt to saddle either discipline as "the more dangerous" is silly because the unlimited amount of factors in each race. Not to mention the crazy inconsistency in injuries sustained during all crashes. Reed walks away from the Chadapault but Jimmy Button just falls over and gets fucked.

It's a case study in insanity to try and make heads or tails out every given situation with all the variables added in. Let's just acknowledge that occasionaly really bad shit is goimg to happen from time to time and not lose our fucking minds when it does happen.

This isn't in any way to say we shouldn't work on obvious problems that can make the sport safer but let's also be honest that there's a huge chunk of hypocrisy going with the pissing and moaning about WADA and the way the sport plays lip service to head trauma. A lot of talk but still the old ways of thinking.

Just enjoy the sport for what it is and if ya can't then either nope on down the road or please keep your gnashing of teeth to yourself.
5
zehn
Posts
7886
Joined
1/15/2013
Location
Anchorage, AK, USA
7/7/2019 7:24pm
dimetime wrote:
This topic annoys the shit out of me. They're both dangerous as fuck and for most of us we get it and accept it. I seriously...
This topic annoys the shit out of me. They're both dangerous as fuck and for most of us we get it and accept it. I seriously do not understand the plethora of injury threads and the shear panic in which some of react to it all.

Any attempt to saddle either discipline as "the more dangerous" is silly because the unlimited amount of factors in each race. Not to mention the crazy inconsistency in injuries sustained during all crashes. Reed walks away from the Chadapault but Jimmy Button just falls over and gets fucked.

It's a case study in insanity to try and make heads or tails out every given situation with all the variables added in. Let's just acknowledge that occasionaly really bad shit is goimg to happen from time to time and not lose our fucking minds when it does happen.

This isn't in any way to say we shouldn't work on obvious problems that can make the sport safer but let's also be honest that there's a huge chunk of hypocrisy going with the pissing and moaning about WADA and the way the sport plays lip service to head trauma. A lot of talk but still the old ways of thinking.

Just enjoy the sport for what it is and if ya can't then either nope on down the road or please keep your gnashing of teeth to yourself.
Quality post
1
Dcope17
Posts
71
Joined
12/20/2016
Location
Troy, IL, USA
7/7/2019 7:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2019 7:46pm
How hard was the track that Dale Ernhart died on?
They are on top of safety gear... but pushing the limits leads to injuries. If a track was so dangerous that everyone went slow, then it would still be competitive. bit then one person goes a little faster, then yet another goes alittle faster still... we then end up right where we are... everyone putting 100% into it and some get injured. Its a bit expected with "extreme sports".
cwtoyota
Posts
2397
Joined
3/11/2013
Location
Tacoma, WA, USA
7/7/2019 10:14pm
ayearinmx wrote:
Shocking that 100% of MXGP injuries came during motocross and 0% came because of supercross. That means motocross is 100% more dangerous than supercross.

Fact.

What percentage of them were wearing a neck brace?
Motofinne
Posts
11490
Joined
1/4/2014
Location
FI
7/7/2019 10:23pm
early wrote:
Seems like the average speed in GP s is higher than US Nationals because of the track design/prep. Hunter Lawrence went into this pretty in depth...
Seems like the average speed in GP s is higher than US Nationals because of the track design/prep. Hunter Lawrence went into this pretty in depth in his interview with mathes after Redbud. Higher speeds can lead to worse injuries when it all goes wrong.
Park Boys wrote:
Russia’s avg speed was ridiculous.
Jeremy Seewer said in a MX Vice podcast that they were going about 100km/h in the section where Desalle went down.
The consequences are horrible when you go down at that speed on a MX track.
Johnny Depp
Posts
6435
Joined
10/16/2014
Location
Buda, TX, USA
7/8/2019 6:14am
I'm pretty sure you are not advocating for 350's outdoors then to solve the "problem"?
Last Braaap
Posts
1701
Joined
4/19/2019
Location
Somewhere over the rainbow, CZ
7/8/2019 6:29am
I'm pretty sure you are not advocating for 350's outdoors then to solve the "problem"?
japs will never produce 350's. That's a fact.
7/8/2019 6:50am
I'm pretty sure you are not advocating for 350's outdoors then to solve the "problem"?
Na, 250's bro. one two five's and two fiddys. Cement.

Post a reply to: Motocross still the OG of deathcross.

The Latest