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#434 6/4/2019 10:21am
6/4/2019 10:21am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2019 10:23am
#434 wrote:
Looks to me as "only" the clinder head is new on the 450.
ML512 wrote:
Frame is updated, transmission updated, suspension settings updated, new launch control and second map switch.
#434 wrote:
..and a new front brake caliper.
@BReid271:
Press release: "To bring the new package to a stop, the 2020 YZ450F features a newly designed front brake caliper, brake pads and front and rear disc."
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#434 6/4/2019 10:25am
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NJKawi913 wrote:
lackluster changes, go scoop up a leftover model for next to nothing. On to the next press release, When is Kawi gonna come out and play?
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of all the parts on a 4stroke.
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Markopolo400 6/4/2019 10:33am
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So 450 still has a shim under bucket head? I saw no mention to finger followers?
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colvin227 6/4/2019 10:41am
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That grey is horrible. I thought my phone broke when I first saw the picture. I was definitely thinking the color option this year other than traditional blue would have been black since worldwide the race teams have been using black. Too each their own though, at least it’s different......
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BReid271 6/4/2019 10:45am
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ML512 wrote:
Frame is updated, transmission updated, suspension settings updated, new launch control and second map switch.
#434 wrote:
..and a new front brake caliper.
#434 wrote:
@BReid271: Press release: "To bring the new package to a stop, the 2020 YZ450F features a newly designed front brake caliper, brake pads and front and...
@BReid271:
Press release: "To bring the new package to a stop, the 2020 YZ450F features a newly designed front brake caliper, brake pads and front and rear disc."
Ahh okay, missed that. Hopefully it's bigger pistons than the 08-19 caliper
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NJKawi913 6/4/2019 10:47am
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#434 wrote:
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of...
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of all the parts on a 4stroke.
sure tons of R&D went into it, and it bet you, me and the rest of the forum memebesr will go just as fast around a track on last years bike as this new bike.
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ML512 6/4/2019 10:47am
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NJKawi913 wrote:
lackluster changes, go scoop up a leftover model for next to nothing. On to the next press release, When is Kawi gonna come out and play?
#434 wrote:
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of...
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of all the parts on a 4stroke.
Shim under bucket, no finger followers...

I was wrong on that prediction...
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ML512 6/4/2019 10:48am
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NJKawi913 wrote:
lackluster changes, go scoop up a leftover model for next to nothing. On to the next press release, When is Kawi gonna come out and play?
The Kawasaki will have less changes.
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grunkster 6/4/2019 10:48am
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125X will be a BLAST!!
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#434 6/4/2019 10:55am
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NJKawi913 wrote:
lackluster changes, go scoop up a leftover model for next to nothing. On to the next press release, When is Kawi gonna come out and play?
#434 wrote:
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of...
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of all the parts on a 4stroke.
ML512 wrote:
Shim under bucket, no finger followers...

I was wrong on that prediction...
When I saw the first spy pictures from Japan I was 100% sure that it's a finger follower design..

See here, fourth comments, haha: https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/yamaha-Japan-yzf-450-2020-NEW-HEAD
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ML512 6/4/2019 10:59am
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#434 wrote:
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of...
Lackluster changes? A completely new cylinder head design (with finger followers instead of buckets) is a big change and needs probably the most developement effort of all the parts on a 4stroke.
ML512 wrote:
Shim under bucket, no finger followers...

I was wrong on that prediction...
#434 wrote:
When I saw the first spy pictures from Japan I was 100% sure that it's a finger follower design..

See here, fourth comments, haha: https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/yamaha-Japan-yzf-450-2020-NEW-HEAD
I'm right there with you, I thought for sure it was a finger follower design...
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burn1986 6/4/2019 11:14am
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So they have a new front fender . . .
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clemsonsc 6/4/2019 11:17am
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I think I will buy a Honda.
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yak651 6/4/2019 12:06pm
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Looks like I keep my 2016 YZ for at least another year.
Great news, my excellent condition 2006 YZ125 is still worth $2000-$2500!!
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Harry Backmon 6/4/2019 12:14pm
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Looks like Porkulus lost some weight. 245 wet weight. Anyone know how that compares to the 2019?
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kwebster447 6/4/2019 12:32pm
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ML512 wrote:
Shim under bucket, no finger followers...

I was wrong on that prediction...
#434 wrote:
When I saw the first spy pictures from Japan I was 100% sure that it's a finger follower design..

See here, fourth comments, haha: https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/yamaha-Japan-yzf-450-2020-NEW-HEAD
ML512 wrote:
I'm right there with you, I thought for sure it was a finger follower design...
Any news on rumored electric start for yz250/300x?
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steelworker77 6/4/2019 12:56pm
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Looks like Porkulus lost some weight. 245 wet weight. Anyone know how that compares to the 2019?
They have the 19 listed as the same weight
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sam hain 6/4/2019 1:06pm
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kwebster447 wrote:
Any news on rumored electric start for yz250/300x?
Won't happen.

Everyone bitches about updating the 2stks but other than elec starter what else could they do? I don't think they would go back to steel frames, the motor is solid as a rock, the suspension is good so why change it? I'm guessing the engine would need new cases for an elec starter and I just don't see them doing that. They are making a killing on those bikes, they raise the price every year and don't change them other than BNG. They know they will sell so why bother?

They have the offroad 2stk market corner too because of price, the 2020 KTM 250xc will be mid 9k's the Yamaha is 1700 cheaper approx.
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Hudd_421 6/4/2019 1:10pm
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#434 wrote:
When I saw the first spy pictures from Japan I was 100% sure that it's a finger follower design..

See here, fourth comments, haha: https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/yamaha-Japan-yzf-450-2020-NEW-HEAD
ML512 wrote:
I'm right there with you, I thought for sure it was a finger follower design...
kwebster447 wrote:
Any news on rumored electric start for yz250/300x?
Where do people come up with these rumors?? Every year I hear people say "rumor has it so and so is coming out with a new two stroke or flux capacitor 300". WHAT SOURCES ARE THERE????

Unless Keefer or someone in the know actually drops a hint on a public channel, I don't know how or who comes up with these.
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Dirty Points 6/4/2019 1:23pm
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So it looks like a YZ125X finally?
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tek14 6/4/2019 1:48pm
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Yamaha say´s its lighter.. but list same weight as last years model...
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sam hain wrote:
Won't happen. Everyone bitches about updating the 2stks but other than elec starter what else could they do? I don't think they would go back to...
Won't happen.

Everyone bitches about updating the 2stks but other than elec starter what else could they do? I don't think they would go back to steel frames, the motor is solid as a rock, the suspension is good so why change it? I'm guessing the engine would need new cases for an elec starter and I just don't see them doing that. They are making a killing on those bikes, they raise the price every year and don't change them other than BNG. They know they will sell so why bother?

They have the offroad 2stk market corner too because of price, the 2020 KTM 250xc will be mid 9k's the Yamaha is 1700 cheaper approx.
Yes its $1700 cheaper, but they lost a customer this year because of no upgrades. No, that's no big deal to them, but know quite a few people that feel the same way i do about it. I've always been a yamaha guy and waited years for them to update the 250X (for 3 years rode a '15 YZ250 I set up for woods) and they never did. Instead i bought a GasGas XC 250, and its an amazing machine. Hydraulic clutch, e-start, 2 maps, stock FMF pipe/silencer combo, KYB suspension, and brakes that compares to brembo's. Would have like to stayed on blue, but waited out too long for no changes to happen.
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Harry Backmon 6/4/2019 1:53pm
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Looks like Porkulus lost some weight. 245 wet weight. Anyone know how that compares to the 2019?
steelworker77 wrote:
They have the 19 listed as the same weight
That's what I saw too. Something is a tad askew. So which is it Yamaha? Has Porkulus lost weight or not?
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sam hain 6/4/2019 1:55pm
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Moose208 wrote:
Yes its $1700 cheaper, but they lost a customer this year because of no upgrades. No, that's no big deal to them, but know quite a...
Yes its $1700 cheaper, but they lost a customer this year because of no upgrades. No, that's no big deal to them, but know quite a few people that feel the same way i do about it. I've always been a yamaha guy and waited years for them to update the 250X (for 3 years rode a '15 YZ250 I set up for woods) and they never did. Instead i bought a GasGas XC 250, and its an amazing machine. Hydraulic clutch, e-start, 2 maps, stock FMF pipe/silencer combo, KYB suspension, and brakes that compares to brembo's. Would have like to stayed on blue, but waited out too long for no changes to happen.
Not everyone cares about a button, I have a '19 300XC and I love it but I'm just saying some people don't care about the hydro clutch, elec starter and all the extras other brands have. I want a 250X bad as a 2nd bike its just not in the budget for me right now.
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rob162 6/4/2019 2:11pm
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I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and a hydro clutch are not enough to keep me from picking up a bike on a better deal.
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colvin227 6/4/2019 2:25pm
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rob162 wrote:
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and...
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and a hydro clutch are not enough to keep me from picking up a bike on a better deal.
Agreed
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mattyhamz2 6/4/2019 2:28pm
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If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
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Goon126 6/4/2019 2:31pm
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Motor/suspension work or weight reduction over hydro all day in my opinion. The cable they have works fine
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MelonFan123 6/4/2019 2:36pm
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rob162 wrote:
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and...
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and a hydro clutch are not enough to keep me from picking up a bike on a better deal.
colvin227 wrote:
Agreed
For me, having a button is a deciding factor. I would really like to get a 250 or 300 2 stroke as a second off road bike so my only options remain Austrian. I was really hoping to see what Yamaha had in store for the X line.

Everyone has their own needs/opinions and as consumers I guess it's good that we have options.
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Dirty Points 6/4/2019 2:41pm
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rob162 wrote:
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and...
I couldn't care less on having e start. In my opinion that should be a upgrade you purchase like Honda did in 17. E star and a hydro clutch are not enough to keep me from picking up a bike on a better deal.
With the Yamaha, it is pretty clear electric start was always going to be part of the package with the new engine management, since the battery is required anyway to run the communication hardware.

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