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Edited Date/Time 6/3/2019 3:47pm
Dear Mx sports could you please leave an opening in the advertisement banners of about 20' (safe entry) or so every 100'. As this might alleviate some future problems. Thanks.
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The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections there goes the other 10%. Not to over look your point of gaining access back onto the track.
Can barely see the bikes from viewing points, but everything geared toward the tv package( what tv package right) $$$$$$$$$$$
MXGP- way less banners
End of rant- sorry ive just never adjusted from watching the nationals in the 90's with very few banners, i enjoyed watching the riders and how the bikes were working on the same tracks we were racing.
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aeffertz 6/2/2019 8:09am
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Trav138 wrote:
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections...
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections there goes the other 10%. Not to over look your point of gaining access back onto the track.
Can barely see the bikes from viewing points, but everything geared toward the tv package( what tv package right) $$$$$$$$$$$
MXGP- way less banners
End of rant- sorry ive just never adjusted from watching the nationals in the 90's with very few banners, i enjoyed watching the riders and how the bikes were working on the same tracks we were racing.
This is an over reaction and your percentages are so far off. They are thigh level in height and actually I think the GPs are worse for their tracks signage as they are much larger.

They should avoid having long sections without any breaks in them, though.
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Trav138 6/2/2019 8:16am
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Trav138 wrote:
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections...
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections there goes the other 10%. Not to over look your point of gaining access back onto the track.
Can barely see the bikes from viewing points, but everything geared toward the tv package( what tv package right) $$$$$$$$$$$
MXGP- way less banners
End of rant- sorry ive just never adjusted from watching the nationals in the 90's with very few banners, i enjoyed watching the riders and how the bikes were working on the same tracks we were racing.
aeffertz wrote:
This is an over reaction and your percentages are so far off. They are thigh level in height and actually I think the GPs are worse...
This is an over reaction and your percentages are so far off. They are thigh level in height and actually I think the GPs are worse for their tracks signage as they are much larger.

They should avoid having long sections without any breaks in them, though.
Ok maybe not 90 we'll say 75-80 then thats a fact. When you combine the areas the fans are actually permitted to watch the races from its very limited viewing. Maybe you're ok with watching their helmets but i am not
At least at the 4 national tracks ive been to
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Nearly 200% of percentages are created by on the spot by 98% of users.
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Trav138 wrote:
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections...
The repeater banners are fucking ridiculous in so many ways. They decreased the viewing at a national by about 90%. Throw in the gay vip sections there goes the other 10%. Not to over look your point of gaining access back onto the track.
Can barely see the bikes from viewing points, but everything geared toward the tv package( what tv package right) $$$$$$$$$$$
MXGP- way less banners
End of rant- sorry ive just never adjusted from watching the nationals in the 90's with very few banners, i enjoyed watching the riders and how the bikes were working on the same tracks we were racing.
aeffertz wrote:
This is an over reaction and your percentages are so far off. They are thigh level in height and actually I think the GPs are worse...
This is an over reaction and your percentages are so far off. They are thigh level in height and actually I think the GPs are worse for their tracks signage as they are much larger.

They should avoid having long sections without any breaks in them, though.
Trav138 wrote:
Ok maybe not 90 we'll say 75-80 then thats a fact. When you combine the areas the fans are actually permitted to watch the races from...
Ok maybe not 90 we'll say 75-80 then thats a fact. When you combine the areas the fans are actually permitted to watch the races from its very limited viewing. Maybe you're ok with watching their helmets but i am not
At least at the 4 national tracks ive been to
There is a 98.9999991 % chance that if you lose 75-80% of your ability to view a national motocross because of a thigh high banner that you are among the small percentage of adults under 3' 11".

However, there is a near 99.99999% chance that you fall into the 71% of vitalmx users that looks for shit to whine about 93% of the time they spend here.
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I posted this in the other thread about Justin Cooper.

"Question for MX sports: What is more important, sponsor banners or racing?

Since the advent of sponsor banners we have seen them get stuck in wheels, limit viewing in some areas, cause issues with re-entering the track. Outside variables that are not inherently part of racing should NEVER significantly impact a race result, yet we have seen many examples of his over the years.

Yes, sponsors are important to keep racing alive. But perhaps now that we have seen these banners negatively impact racing it is time for an adjustment so as not to further erode the integrity of motocross.

A similar argument could be made for tuff-blocks in SX, though they do not impact fan viewing.


I'm interesting in what the rest of the community thinks of this. Maybe I'm off my rocker..."
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It's been a cheesy whoring sport for as long as I can remember, which goes back to about '89. The goggles around the neck has been a joke since I was thirteen. The track has been increasingly littered with chinese plastic and if anything, they'll think they should add more so that it provides better cushioning in case of a crash. Sure the riders will be rolled up in banners a look like a porcupine with a hundred impalings of acerbis track markers, but at least acerbis will get some good advertising when the riders are carted off the track.
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byke wrote:
It's been a cheesy whoring sport for as long as I can remember, which goes back to about '89. The goggles around the neck has been...
It's been a cheesy whoring sport for as long as I can remember, which goes back to about '89. The goggles around the neck has been a joke since I was thirteen. The track has been increasingly littered with chinese plastic and if anything, they'll think they should add more so that it provides better cushioning in case of a crash. Sure the riders will be rolled up in banners a look like a porcupine with a hundred impalings of acerbis track markers, but at least acerbis will get some good advertising when the riders are carted off the track.
It's interesting you mention the goggles around the neck.

I watched yesterdays race with a friend who rides but has never seen a race and he couldn't believe the podium shenanigans with them handing the rider an energy drink, goggles, and hat.
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Johnny Ringo 6/2/2019 10:29am
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Casting wrote:
I posted this in the other thread about Justin Cooper. "Question for MX sports: What is more important, sponsor banners or racing? Since the advent of...
I posted this in the other thread about Justin Cooper.

"Question for MX sports: What is more important, sponsor banners or racing?

Since the advent of sponsor banners we have seen them get stuck in wheels, limit viewing in some areas, cause issues with re-entering the track. Outside variables that are not inherently part of racing should NEVER significantly impact a race result, yet we have seen many examples of his over the years.

Yes, sponsors are important to keep racing alive. But perhaps now that we have seen these banners negatively impact racing it is time for an adjustment so as not to further erode the integrity of motocross.

A similar argument could be made for tuff-blocks in SX, though they do not impact fan viewing.


I'm interesting in what the rest of the community thinks of this. Maybe I'm off my rocker..."
Banners pay the bills, racers don’t
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byke 6/2/2019 10:32am
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byke wrote:
It's been a cheesy whoring sport for as long as I can remember, which goes back to about '89. The goggles around the neck has been...
It's been a cheesy whoring sport for as long as I can remember, which goes back to about '89. The goggles around the neck has been a joke since I was thirteen. The track has been increasingly littered with chinese plastic and if anything, they'll think they should add more so that it provides better cushioning in case of a crash. Sure the riders will be rolled up in banners a look like a porcupine with a hundred impalings of acerbis track markers, but at least acerbis will get some good advertising when the riders are carted off the track.
Casting wrote:
It's interesting you mention the goggles around the neck. I watched yesterdays race with a friend who rides but has never seen a race and he...
It's interesting you mention the goggles around the neck.

I watched yesterdays race with a friend who rides but has never seen a race and he couldn't believe the podium shenanigans with them handing the rider an energy drink, goggles, and hat.
It's the advertising equivalent of an all-caps chainmail.

I like how they had to make an energy drink that's not an energy drink so the guys could drink it (tour water).
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MudPup545 6/2/2019 10:33am
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Casting wrote:
I posted this in the other thread about Justin Cooper. "Question for MX sports: What is more important, sponsor banners or racing? Since the advent of...
I posted this in the other thread about Justin Cooper.

"Question for MX sports: What is more important, sponsor banners or racing?

Since the advent of sponsor banners we have seen them get stuck in wheels, limit viewing in some areas, cause issues with re-entering the track. Outside variables that are not inherently part of racing should NEVER significantly impact a race result, yet we have seen many examples of his over the years.

Yes, sponsors are important to keep racing alive. But perhaps now that we have seen these banners negatively impact racing it is time for an adjustment so as not to further erode the integrity of motocross.

A similar argument could be made for tuff-blocks in SX, though they do not impact fan viewing.


I'm interesting in what the rest of the community thinks of this. Maybe I'm off my rocker..."
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Banners pay the bills, racers don’t
Fans do too. And more and more viewing is being swallowed up buy those banners and very expensive VIP areas that aren't even half full.
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plowboy 6/2/2019 10:33am
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I don't like the banners but they are a necessary evil for sponsorship dollars. There SHOULD be gaps for quicker re-entry to the track.

A much bigger problem from a viewing perspective is the easy ups along the fence. They shouldn't be allowed within 20 feet of the fence. This isn't the '70's when you had access to most of the track. Viewing areas are more limited nowadays. A good percentage of what there is (see what I did there Gibby) gets hogged up by ez-ups. Oh well, I usually find a way to see what I want.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Banners pay the bills, racers don’t
I don't disagree that advertisements are important to keep the sport going, but maybe there is a way to keep banners but not have the risk of interfering with the race.
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Johnny Ringo 6/2/2019 11:27am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Banners pay the bills, racers don’t
Casting wrote:
I don't disagree that advertisements are important to keep the sport going, but maybe there is a way to keep banners but not have the risk...
I don't disagree that advertisements are important to keep the sport going, but maybe there is a way to keep banners but not have the risk of interfering with the race.
Holograms? Want to go partners on it? I’ll call my lawyer and get the patent rolling
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MudPup545 wrote:
Fans do too. And more and more viewing is being swallowed up buy those banners and very expensive VIP areas that aren't even half full.
That's why I pay the extra money for VIP tickets so I have some room to enjoy the racing and not have to fight for space to see the track. I think the VIP tickets are one of the best things to happen to outdoor MX. When I was 17 I didn't mind hiking my butt around all day in the sun and the rain but now that I am 56 I like to sit in the shade of a tent eating BBQ and have close VIP parking and I don't mind paying for the extras.Cool
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peltier626 6/2/2019 5:41pm
6/2/2019 5:41pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2019 5:59pm
Heck, you can keep the amount of banner footage just offset a gap every so often. That way you can keep your ad $$$ and still provide a means to enter the track. Example, offset parallel lines. ___________________--------------------------------------_______________________-----------------------------.
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Line the entire inside of the track with banners, zero fan facing banners and get rid of all track side ez ups. Do that I can bring my kids to National again and they could see the race.

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GuyB wrote:
Nearly 200% of percentages are created by on the spot by 98% of users.
60% of the time they are correct every time.
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motomike137 6/3/2019 3:57am
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peltier626 wrote:
Dear Mx sports could you please leave an opening in the advertisement banners of about 20' (safe entry) or so every 100'. As this might alleviate...
Dear Mx sports could you please leave an opening in the advertisement banners of about 20' (safe entry) or so every 100'. As this might alleviate some future problems. Thanks.
You would think in light of the controversial off track incidents we have seen the last couple of years they might come up with a strategy/plan of some sort wouldn't you? I think the idea of designated rejoining spaces has a lot of merit along with maybe having to come to a full stop or something like that. You SHOULD be at a DISadvantage if you go off the racing surface for any reason.
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JustMX 6/3/2019 4:22am
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Yeah,

They had those at redbud until one of the asterisk medical guys forgot it was there and drove the side by side off of it, sticking the front end and rolling it end over end down the big ski jump after the mechanics area.

If memory serves it was doc Bodnar.
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ga_pike 6/3/2019 4:45am
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GuyB wrote:
Nearly 200% of percentages are created by on the spot by 98% of users.
2 things just popped into my head:



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peltier626 6/3/2019 6:14am
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Offset parallel banners. It's a win win. ________________--------------------------------_____________________.
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ProKawi24 6/3/2019 2:23pm
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Am I the only person who would love to see some hay bales brought back? Use those to break up the banners and open a spot for riders to safely re-enter.
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Mr. Info 6/3/2019 3:47pm
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You won’t believe how much those banners cost. They are not cheap to make.
Go back to snow fences and hay bales MX roots

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