Ken Roczen’s not up to par, WHY?

TSCHAM101 wrote:

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it...

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it basically kills all the good and bad bacteria...


He needs to figure out a way to introduce good bacteria... its known to cause fatigue and lethargy... Maybe introduce probiotics twice a day or something?

TSCHAM101 wrote:

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it...

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it basically kills all the good and bad bacteria...


He needs to figure out a way to introduce good bacteria... its known to cause fatigue and lethargy... Maybe introduce probiotics twice a day or something?

UpTiTe wrote:

Great guess. They figured out the antibiotics he has been on have been killing his immune system because it killed off the good bacteria in his...

Great guess.

They figured out the antibiotics he has been on have been killing his immune system because it killed off the good bacteria in his digestive system. It’s a common thing in people who have been sick and had extended stays in a hospital. Hard to diagnose and horrible for an athlete because they thought it was mono.

He’s on a special diet now and he is getting better.

swtwtwtw wrote:

I think the suggestion that kr94 ought to just maintain a moderate level of fitness the rest of the year is spot on. Kenny’s ability on...

I think the suggestion that kr94 ought to just maintain a moderate level of fitness the rest of the year is spot on. Kenny’s ability on the bike will carry him to more wins this year and the reduction in off the bike training will set him up for a great sx season next year.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this...

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this thought. If Roczen goes 4-6 next week without crashing his brains out, people will look at this in a different light.

I think Semics' heart is in the right place, but decisions like Roczen has had to make don't just happen in a vacuum. This is a very short career sport for the most part, and he's getting paid a lot of money just to be out on the race course and sign autographs in the pits from Honda. He could sit out the next 24 months to recover even more, potentially, but at what cost? There are no guarantees that he will recover more than he currently has, and he won't get those 2 years back after they are gone.

It's easy for anyone to second guess something like this, but it's Ken's career/life. He likely has some pretty good people behind him giving him advice, hopefully it is honest and frank. If he goes 4-6, 8-12, or 1-1 next week, he's probably made the best decision for himself given the information and options that he has available.

I don't think Gary is stupid for this post, or that he's necessarily "wrong", but the timing definitely makes it easy to question it. Either way, it's an opinion and he could be fully correct, or woefully off base and it isn't going to affect Roczen's efforts one way or another.

GarySemics wrote:

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level...

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level, so I’m naturally interested in what might be the misery problem with his low energy issues. Ken prides himself on mental toughness, and rightfully so, but everyone has a breaking point. Ken’s not at his breaking point, not even close. However, the physical and mental stress from his first major arm injury at A2 in 2016 put him at max out stress level. Then trying his hardest to get back in top racing shape as quickly as possible continued loading stress onto an already stressful situation. Then another major arm injury number 2 came. Then he put himself through the same stressful scenario, get back to 100% racing performance ASAP. There didn’t seem to be any consideration to heal his phyche. The mind and body cannot always do what the conscious mind wants to achieve. Without time and a balance preparation routine, there will be sub-par performance, at best. I believe the word “TIME” was not considered as much as it should have been. Now, it’s beginning to show side effects. The side effects are sub-par physical and mental performance. He doesn’t even recognize where it’s coming from, but it’s there, and it’s beginning to raise its ugly head! The best think Ken could do for himself is take the rest of the year off. Do enough moderate training to maintain some of his fitness, and have fun! I know that ain’t going to happen for obvious reasons.

When I heard he was coming back to SX in 2018, I commended on a post in Vital that it was too soon bc he needed more healing time, mentally and physically. I’m looking in from the outside, so obviously, I don’t know, but that would be my guess. What do you think?
Whatever happens, I wish him well.

Mxracer6y wrote:

Is there something wrong with you?? Do you have a learning disability?

GarySemics wrote:

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level...

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level, so I’m naturally interested in what might be the misery problem with his low energy issues. Ken prides himself on mental toughness, and rightfully so, but everyone has a breaking point. Ken’s not at his breaking point, not even close. However, the physical and mental stress from his first major arm injury at A2 in 2016 put him at max out stress level. Then trying his hardest to get back in top racing shape as quickly as possible continued loading stress onto an already stressful situation. Then another major arm injury number 2 came. Then he put himself through the same stressful scenario, get back to 100% racing performance ASAP. There didn’t seem to be any consideration to heal his phyche. The mind and body cannot always do what the conscious mind wants to achieve. Without time and a balance preparation routine, there will be sub-par performance, at best. I believe the word “TIME” was not considered as much as it should have been. Now, it’s beginning to show side effects. The side effects are sub-par physical and mental performance. He doesn’t even recognize where it’s coming from, but it’s there, and it’s beginning to raise its ugly head! The best think Ken could do for himself is take the rest of the year off. Do enough moderate training to maintain some of his fitness, and have fun! I know that ain’t going to happen for obvious reasons.

When I heard he was coming back to SX in 2018, I commended on a post in Vital that it was too soon bc he needed more healing time, mentally and physically. I’m looking in from the outside, so obviously, I don’t know, but that would be my guess. What do you think?
Whatever happens, I wish him well.

Mxracer6y wrote:

Is there something wrong with you?? Do you have a learning disability?

APLMAN99 wrote:

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this...

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this thought. If Roczen goes 4-6 next week without crashing his brains out, people will look at this in a different light.

I think Semics' heart is in the right place, but decisions like Roczen has had to make don't just happen in a vacuum. This is a very short career sport for the most part, and he's getting paid a lot of money just to be out on the race course and sign autographs in the pits from Honda. He could sit out the next 24 months to recover even more, potentially, but at what cost? There are no guarantees that he will recover more than he currently has, and he won't get those 2 years back after they are gone.

It's easy for anyone to second guess something like this, but it's Ken's career/life. He likely has some pretty good people behind him giving him advice, hopefully it is honest and frank. If he goes 4-6, 8-12, or 1-1 next week, he's probably made the best decision for himself given the information and options that he has available.

I don't think Gary is stupid for this post, or that he's necessarily "wrong", but the timing definitely makes it easy to question it. Either way, it's an opinion and he could be fully correct, or woefully off base and it isn't going to affect Roczen's efforts one way or another.

money2burn20 wrote:

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy”...

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy” problem and attributed it to the high amounts of antibiotics he was forced to take from his burns from the lime incident. I am sure stress is also playing a role, but I don’t see taking a year off as a logical solution. He will continue to get stronger all year, they have a plan and winning the first round was not in that plan, but it sure was nice.

GarySemics wrote:

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level...

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level, so I’m naturally interested in what might be the misery problem with his low energy issues. Ken prides himself on mental toughness, and rightfully so, but everyone has a breaking point. Ken’s not at his breaking point, not even close. However, the physical and mental stress from his first major arm injury at A2 in 2016 put him at max out stress level. Then trying his hardest to get back in top racing shape as quickly as possible continued loading stress onto an already stressful situation. Then another major arm injury number 2 came. Then he put himself through the same stressful scenario, get back to 100% racing performance ASAP. There didn’t seem to be any consideration to heal his phyche. The mind and body cannot always do what the conscious mind wants to achieve. Without time and a balance preparation routine, there will be sub-par performance, at best. I believe the word “TIME” was not considered as much as it should have been. Now, it’s beginning to show side effects. The side effects are sub-par physical and mental performance. He doesn’t even recognize where it’s coming from, but it’s there, and it’s beginning to raise its ugly head! The best think Ken could do for himself is take the rest of the year off. Do enough moderate training to maintain some of his fitness, and have fun! I know that ain’t going to happen for obvious reasons.

When I heard he was coming back to SX in 2018, I commended on a post in Vital that it was too soon bc he needed more healing time, mentally and physically. I’m looking in from the outside, so obviously, I don’t know, but that would be my guess. What do you think?
Whatever happens, I wish him well.

Mxracer6y wrote:

Is there something wrong with you?? Do you have a learning disability?

money2burn20 wrote:

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy”...

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy” problem and attributed it to the high amounts of antibiotics he was forced to take from his burns from the lime incident. I am sure stress is also playing a role, but I don’t see taking a year off as a logical solution. He will continue to get stronger all year, they have a plan and winning the first round was not in that plan, but it sure was nice.

money2burn20 wrote:

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy”...

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy” problem and attributed it to the high amounts of antibiotics he was forced to take from his burns from the lime incident. I am sure stress is also playing a role, but I don’t see taking a year off as a logical solution. He will continue to get stronger all year, they have a plan and winning the first round was not in that plan, but it sure was nice.

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

That sounds very likely. We hand those things out like candy in the ER. Modern antibiotics are so powerful that they wipe out all of your...

That sounds very likely. We hand those things out like candy in the ER. Modern antibiotics are so powerful that they wipe out all of your good bacteria and it can cause big problems, especially for a hardcore athlete like Ken. He needs a good gut bacteria transplant. You can Google to figure out how that is accomplished.

Falcon wrote:

I think Gary's point is that Ken isn't performing as well as he could be. Still, a major win has to be an enormous relief.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this...

Gary S probably had this basically written for awhile, and one week either way probably wasn't going to have a good deal of impact on this thought. If Roczen goes 4-6 next week without crashing his brains out, people will look at this in a different light.

I think Semics' heart is in the right place, but decisions like Roczen has had to make don't just happen in a vacuum. This is a very short career sport for the most part, and he's getting paid a lot of money just to be out on the race course and sign autographs in the pits from Honda. He could sit out the next 24 months to recover even more, potentially, but at what cost? There are no guarantees that he will recover more than he currently has, and he won't get those 2 years back after they are gone.

It's easy for anyone to second guess something like this, but it's Ken's career/life. He likely has some pretty good people behind him giving him advice, hopefully it is honest and frank. If he goes 4-6, 8-12, or 1-1 next week, he's probably made the best decision for himself given the information and options that he has available.

I don't think Gary is stupid for this post, or that he's necessarily "wrong", but the timing definitely makes it easy to question it. Either way, it's an opinion and he could be fully correct, or woefully off base and it isn't going to affect Roczen's efforts one way or another.

UpTiTe wrote:

What did I miss?

money2burn20 wrote:

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy”...

Wow Gary, some pretty off the wall observations you have concluded to. I believe Ken said last week they have found the cause of his “energy” problem and attributed it to the high amounts of antibiotics he was forced to take from his burns from the lime incident. I am sure stress is also playing a role, but I don’t see taking a year off as a logical solution. He will continue to get stronger all year, they have a plan and winning the first round was not in that plan, but it sure was nice.

TSCHAM101 wrote:

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it...

i believe he has a gut biome issue... all bodybuilders and elite fitness people know the kind of damage antibiotics due to the gut biome.. it basically kills all the good and bad bacteria...


He needs to figure out a way to introduce good bacteria... its known to cause fatigue and lethargy... Maybe introduce probiotics twice a day or something?

GarySemics wrote:

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level...

What’s up with Ken’s, I don’t know what’s wrong, but something is wrong? I have nothing but admiration and respect for any athlete at Ken’s level, so I’m naturally interested in what might be the misery problem with his low energy issues. Ken prides himself on mental toughness, and rightfully so, but everyone has a breaking point. Ken’s not at his breaking point, not even close. However, the physical and mental stress from his first major arm injury at A2 in 2016 put him at max out stress level. Then trying his hardest to get back in top racing shape as quickly as possible continued loading stress onto an already stressful situation. Then another major arm injury number 2 came. Then he put himself through the same stressful scenario, get back to 100% racing performance ASAP. There didn’t seem to be any consideration to heal his phyche. The mind and body cannot always do what the conscious mind wants to achieve. Without time and a balance preparation routine, there will be sub-par performance, at best. I believe the word “TIME” was not considered as much as it should have been. Now, it’s beginning to show side effects. The side effects are sub-par physical and mental performance. He doesn’t even recognize where it’s coming from, but it’s there, and it’s beginning to raise its ugly head! The best think Ken could do for himself is take the rest of the year off. Do enough moderate training to maintain some of his fitness, and have fun! I know that ain’t going to happen for obvious reasons.

When I heard he was coming back to SX in 2018, I commended on a post in Vital that it was too soon bc he needed more healing time, mentally and physically. I’m looking in from the outside, so obviously, I don’t know, but that would be my guess. What do you think?
Whatever happens, I wish him well.