No one was more badass...125cc

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NewOldSchool 5/2/2019 5:24am
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Jesus, there’s a whole thread dedicated to the triple vs quad argument, who gives a flying F#*k?! Can we not just appreciate James on 125?!
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mysterion117 wrote:
I count 3 places to land... it’s a quad.
kb228 wrote:
4 places... back side of takeoff, double, land on table, land on downside of table.
thephoenix wrote:
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps...
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps, with the third one having a flat top and being longer than the other two.

Three jumps = triple.

Any other name is ignorant, misleading, inaccurate, and...well....stupid.
I can case a table.....I'm that bad.
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mysterion117 5/2/2019 5:36am
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mysterion117 wrote:
I count 3 places to land... it’s a quad.
kb228 wrote:
4 places... back side of takeoff, double, land on table, land on downside of table.
thephoenix wrote:
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps...
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps, with the third one having a flat top and being longer than the other two.

Three jumps = triple.

Any other name is ignorant, misleading, inaccurate, and...well....stupid.
Somewhere to case into? Have you never seen someone land on a step on step off? 3 landing points = quad. Any other name is ... well... idiotic... moronic... and only someone who’s vitarded would say it’s a triple
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NewOldSchool wrote:
Jesus, there’s a whole thread dedicated to the triple vs quad argument, who gives a flying F#*k?! Can we not just appreciate James on 125?!
Technically, it's a 124 Grinning
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Encapsulates Stewart's career: unparalleled skill coupled with momentary lapses of reason. His championship count would signal a tremendous career for any other rider. For James, the totals represent a significant under-achievement.

But no one was more entertaining or enthralling to watch. Edge-of-your-seat moments on nearly every lap, delivering mind-boggling speed or classic carnage. James brought "fun" back to racing after several years under RC's virtual dictatorship. He hung it out there like no one else, and for that we forgive whatever expectations the masses had for him.
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Triple.
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LoudLove wrote:
Encapsulates Stewart's career: unparalleled skill coupled with momentary lapses of reason. His championship count would signal a tremendous career for any other rider. For James, the...
Encapsulates Stewart's career: unparalleled skill coupled with momentary lapses of reason. His championship count would signal a tremendous career for any other rider. For James, the totals represent a significant under-achievement.

But no one was more entertaining or enthralling to watch. Edge-of-your-seat moments on nearly every lap, delivering mind-boggling speed or classic carnage. James brought "fun" back to racing after several years under RC's virtual dictatorship. He hung it out there like no one else, and for that we forgive whatever expectations the masses had for him.
That’s the best ever description of JS7 for those of us that saw it from the beginning.
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SlowAndLowe 5/2/2019 7:25am
5/2/2019 7:25am
If you guys that just got into this sport use "how many places to land", what do you call a single? A gazillion jump?
When did a tabletop become a double?

How many of these people go to a store and tell the cashier 3 bucks is 4 bucks. The 2 dollar bill is worth 3 because it fell out of my pocket and landed on the floor. That's an added place to land lady.
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theprizefighter 5/2/2019 7:25am
5/2/2019 7:25am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2019 7:27am
kb228 wrote:
4 places... back side of takeoff, double, land on table, land on downside of table.
thephoenix wrote:
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps...
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps, with the third one having a flat top and being longer than the other two.

Three jumps = triple.

Any other name is ignorant, misleading, inaccurate, and...well....stupid.
mysterion117 wrote:
Somewhere to case into? Have you never seen someone land on a step on step off? 3 landing points = quad. Any other name is...
Somewhere to case into? Have you never seen someone land on a step on step off? 3 landing points = quad. Any other name is ... well... idiotic... moronic... and only someone who’s vitarded would say it’s a triple
Arguing with people like you is like arguing with flat-earthers. No need to engage in a debate with people who don’t understand the basics of math and what three means. Landing points do not and never will define the number of objects there are to jump over. In this case, it’s three. Hence, it’s a triple.
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tcannon521 5/2/2019 7:35am
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tobz wrote:
David Bailey at his finest, too.
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Bailey: "This is where James needs to be careful...."

James: Goes over the bars Sad

I've always thought Bailey was one of the best in booth.
Just remember, this wasn’t presented live so they could always add commentary after the race was over.

Full Disclosure: I don’t know when they did the commentary but I would bet there was at least one take 2 over the years.
SlowAndLowe 5/2/2019 7:37am
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mysterion117 wrote:
I count 3 places to land... it’s a quad.
kb228 wrote:
4 places... back side of takeoff, double, land on table, land on downside of table.
thephoenix wrote:
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps...
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps, with the third one having a flat top and being longer than the other two.

Three jumps = triple.

Any other name is ignorant, misleading, inaccurate, and...well....stupid.
Exactly. The third is called a tabletop jump, which is singular.

Nobody calls a tabletop jump a "tabletop jumps". You'd get laughed at for all time saying that.
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SoCalMX70 5/2/2019 7:58am
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tobz wrote:
David Bailey at his finest, too.
KHI Guy wrote:
Bailey: "This is where James needs to be careful...."

James: Goes over the bars Sad

I've always thought Bailey was one of the best in booth.
tcannon521 wrote:
Just remember, this wasn’t presented live so they could always add commentary after the race was over. Full Disclosure: I don’t know when they did the...
Just remember, this wasn’t presented live so they could always add commentary after the race was over.

Full Disclosure: I don’t know when they did the commentary but I would bet there was at least one take 2 over the years.
It was live, period. Especially since it was a Vegas race, which have been live (as in zero delay) further back than this race.

As far as the 90s into early 2000s "tape delay" races... Still recorded live. Pretty sure the only corrections made had to do with transitions, like coming back from commercial if something wasn't cohesive enough. Example here: at 49:44

https://youtu.be/A0vkR8bGgMM

Also, here's a good article. Within it there's a pic of a column Bailey wrote years ago about his broadcasting days... Talks about being nervous when they first went live in '94. Hard to read though because it's low res (couldn't find original column):

https://racerxonline.com/2014/05/15/where-are-they-now-art-eckman
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That was one of the sadder James Stewart crashes. Bummed me out at the time and still today!

I've been in Camp Quad for a long time to describe that style jump, mostly because we don't have another word to describe it. It's not a triple, because you can land on the tabletop...

So, I propose: "triple-on" and "triple-over."
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mysterion117 5/2/2019 5:21pm
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thephoenix wrote:
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps...
If there is no "hole" in the middle aka a gap, aka somewhere to case into, it is not a quad. It is THREE individual jumps, with the third one having a flat top and being longer than the other two.

Three jumps = triple.

Any other name is ignorant, misleading, inaccurate, and...well....stupid.
mysterion117 wrote:
Somewhere to case into? Have you never seen someone land on a step on step off? 3 landing points = quad. Any other name is...
Somewhere to case into? Have you never seen someone land on a step on step off? 3 landing points = quad. Any other name is ... well... idiotic... moronic... and only someone who’s vitarded would say it’s a triple
theprizefighter wrote:
Arguing with people like you is like arguing with flat-earthers. No need to engage in a debate with people who don’t understand the basics of math...
Arguing with people like you is like arguing with flat-earthers. No need to engage in a debate with people who don’t understand the basics of math and what three means. Landing points do not and never will define the number of objects there are to jump over. In this case, it’s three. Hence, it’s a triple.
If I’m a flat earther then you’re for sure an anti vaxxer lol
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mysterion117 5/2/2019 7:43pm
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Falcon wrote:
Must...resist... try not to correct them... fools think you count the landings....
It’s just an opinion man, you don’t have to be such an asshole about it
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gnarwhip 5/2/2019 8:06pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
McGrath was
Racer111 wrote:
McGrath wasn’t even racing. He was retired. Welcome to the sport. Been watching for 2 days?
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
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doug henry and steve lamson on the factory honda 125. Pure badass
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gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
"Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year."

Dungey won the 450 SX and MX title in his rookie year (2010).
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Radical 5/3/2019 1:02am
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It's a triple table top. It's not a quad because there aren't 3 places to come up short and eat crap.

Whatever you call it, it's bad ass!
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As Reed would say.....”It was Stu-able”
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gnarwhip wrote:
McGrath was
Racer111 wrote:
McGrath wasn’t even racing. He was retired. Welcome to the sport. Been watching for 2 days?
gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
McGrath only won 1 race his rookie year in 1990. Stew Won many more in 2002 his rookie year
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aeffertz wrote:
Holy shit that fuckin’ quad in the beginning!

Also, second lap and already had a massive lead.
Shawn142 wrote:
For God's sake don't call that a quad, half this board will lose their f'ing minds correcting you.
Boomslang wrote:
Me eyes ain't too good anymore but that sure looks like a Quintuple??
https://youtu.be/vTfI1brg0JI
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Racer111 wrote:
McGrath wasn’t even racing. He was retired. Welcome to the sport. Been watching for 2 days?
gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
heathkiller wrote:
McGrath only won 1 race his rookie year in 1990. Stew Won many more in 2002 his rookie year
Hell Emig was more of a badass than MC on a 125 if you consider both indoors and out.
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Drtbykr 5/3/2019 7:21am
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JS7 is a fav. so I have to go with him.

Cool back when The Bomber (yup, getting up there) signed a 3 year contract for $1,000,000.
That was insane in the day. He lived up to his end.
theprizefighter 5/3/2019 7:42am
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gnarwhip wrote:
McGrath was
Racer111 wrote:
McGrath wasn’t even racing. He was retired. Welcome to the sport. Been watching for 2 days?
gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
Dungey won the 450 title in his rookie year.
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ktm 125 5/3/2019 7:54am
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dungey won 450 in his rookie year because stewart and reed collided and had to heal and rv broke his leg
mcgrath won 250 (2stroke) in his rookie year because all late 80's/ early 90's legends retired or injured that exact year
either way 2 great riders there but js was on another level. at least until bubba's world...
anyone who cant see that dont know mx or hate the guy for whatever reason, so he bring statistics, cause the title says badass not consistent or rookie champ or multichampion!
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Helda 5/3/2019 7:58am
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gnarwhip wrote:
McGrath was
Racer111 wrote:
McGrath wasn’t even racing. He was retired. Welcome to the sport. Been watching for 2 days?
gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
Wrong, Dungey did as well.
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Helda 5/3/2019 8:00am
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Sorry just read the rest of the thread and see that gnarwhip has been corrected multipul times
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theprizefighter 5/3/2019 5:02pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew...
Are you high? The title of the thread was ‘no one was more badass on a 125’. When McGrath was on Team Peak he dominated. Stew didn’t even win the title in his rookie year, Preston did. And no I’m not new, I watched those races live when I was a kid, and haven’t missed one Anahiem/ LA since I was 10. Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
[i]"Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year."[/i] Dungey won the 450 SX and MX title in his...
"Also, McGrath is the only guy to win a 250 (450) title in his rookie year."

Dungey won the 450 SX and MX title in his rookie year (2010).
You holeshot that one! Didn’t see your reply when I posted mine. ?
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theprizefighter 5/3/2019 5:05pm
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ktm 125 wrote:
dungey won 450 in his rookie year because stewart and reed collided and had to heal and rv broke his leg mcgrath won 250 (2stroke) in...
dungey won 450 in his rookie year because stewart and reed collided and had to heal and rv broke his leg
mcgrath won 250 (2stroke) in his rookie year because all late 80's/ early 90's legends retired or injured that exact year
either way 2 great riders there but js was on another level. at least until bubba's world...
anyone who cant see that dont know mx or hate the guy for whatever reason, so he bring statistics, cause the title says badass not consistent or rookie champ or multichampion!
Dungey was leaving the points when RV crashed out. He got that title legit.
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