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chuckdavies 4/26/2019 1:14am
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Ah yes Assen. A classic GP track cut into the hills of..... wait , never mind.
When you already know you're going to get smoked so you start slagging off the track instead... Reminds me of when you've run out of insults so you start to mock their laugh instead.
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As a fellow European i don't wanna sound like a h8r but team USA has a really slim chances to win.

Podium is plausible but this years MXoN is tailored exactly for the dutch to win. French will be again the contenders but only for second place if nothing goes wrong for team oranje. Then there will be huge podium kerfuffle including USA, GBR, AUS, ITA, BEL and then the dark horses of GER (if Ullrich or Nagl will start moving serious donkey), SWI (if Guillod gets decent bike) and SPA.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Ah yes Assen. A classic GP track cut into the hills of..... wait , never mind.
chuckdavies wrote:
When you already know you're going to get smoked so you start slagging off the track instead... Reminds me of when you've run out of insults...
When you already know you're going to get smoked so you start slagging off the track instead... Reminds me of when you've run out of insults so you start to mock their laugh instead.
Ya got me ...I always do that. Laughing
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The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way.

Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which it might not considering his confidence is probably down the drain at this point). He´s experienced with the format, the GP tracks in general and actually turned in to a really good sand rider.

Its hard to know what US riders are good sand riders since its basically only southwick each year that has proper sand, and even that isnt the deep soft sand they have in Holland. Who would you say is the best sand riders in the nationals?

Osborne has experience but I cant remember him beeing very good in the sand.

Tomac is probably the best bet just because of his pure speed ceiling and beast-mode. I do however he will have trouble actually winning heats because the same reason because Assen sand is more on flow and finesse than actual balls-to-the-walls Tomac style but he can surely pull of some good results, maybe even podiums.

I feel like the favorites has to be Holland trailed by Belgium, US, Germany, Italy or GB. I feel all these actually have a chance to win as they either have a top rider who will contend for wins or 3 solid placement guys. Like Italy obviously Cairoli will do well and I expect Lupino, Bernadini or Cervellin to put in some solid results. Germany has Jacobi and Nagl who will probably be good and Roczen used to be a torpedo in the sand, although I think he´s lost a lot of that while in the US. GB have Watson now with a really high ceiling and pair that with the experience of Wilson, Anstie, Searle or Simpson. Belgium will always be good. JHV is still really fast and always performs at MXON and so does Desalle. Geerts has shown some amazing speed lately and will probably be a consistant podium guy this year. Throw Leiber in there too. Holland obviously has JH84 and Vlaanderen and if Coldenhoff can get healthy and up to speed in time we know what he can do.

Also, dont be surprised if someone like Jasikonis pulls of a win or two on that track. If he continues to ride better and better like he´s doing and he gets some confidence in him, he will be a beast I think

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Muscle-Milk-KTM 4/26/2019 2:40am
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The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way. Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which...
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way.

Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which it might not considering his confidence is probably down the drain at this point). He´s experienced with the format, the GP tracks in general and actually turned in to a really good sand rider.

Its hard to know what US riders are good sand riders since its basically only southwick each year that has proper sand, and even that isnt the deep soft sand they have in Holland. Who would you say is the best sand riders in the nationals?

Osborne has experience but I cant remember him beeing very good in the sand.

Tomac is probably the best bet just because of his pure speed ceiling and beast-mode. I do however he will have trouble actually winning heats because the same reason because Assen sand is more on flow and finesse than actual balls-to-the-walls Tomac style but he can surely pull of some good results, maybe even podiums.

I feel like the favorites has to be Holland trailed by Belgium, US, Germany, Italy or GB. I feel all these actually have a chance to win as they either have a top rider who will contend for wins or 3 solid placement guys. Like Italy obviously Cairoli will do well and I expect Lupino, Bernadini or Cervellin to put in some solid results. Germany has Jacobi and Nagl who will probably be good and Roczen used to be a torpedo in the sand, although I think he´s lost a lot of that while in the US. GB have Watson now with a really high ceiling and pair that with the experience of Wilson, Anstie, Searle or Simpson. Belgium will always be good. JHV is still really fast and always performs at MXON and so does Desalle. Geerts has shown some amazing speed lately and will probably be a consistant podium guy this year. Throw Leiber in there too. Holland obviously has JH84 and Vlaanderen and if Coldenhoff can get healthy and up to speed in time we know what he can do.

Also, dont be surprised if someone like Jasikonis pulls of a win or two on that track. If he continues to ride better and better like he´s doing and he gets some confidence in him, he will be a beast I think
That’s if Lithuania even qualify.
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Ray_MXS 4/26/2019 2:45am
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That’s if Lithuania even qualify.
Was about to say that. Hopefully a good quali result from AJ would be enough. Same with Slovenia. The sunday races will be better with the likes of Gajser and Jasikonis in it.
fullfloater 4/26/2019 2:54am
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Tomac, Webb plus AC or Forkner. I don't like the track but I'm all in with those guys.
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Ranman68 4/26/2019 3:02am
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If we send the right three guys, they get there early enough to ride sand and get a decent set up for it, and we don't have mechanical problems in qualifying that results in the super shitty gate picks, and our guys practice on GP metal starting gates a little to get familiar with them, we absolutely have a shot at winning the event overall or on the podium at the very least. Red Bud SHMED BUD. Ama riders are not at all inferior outdoors and have won many mxon events, or individual motos at them. That's not to mention the usgp wins and domination at many.
I'm not knocking the Euros. They are badass. Herlings is a beast and yes I'm sure he's going to murder everybody at Assen. No American will touch him there, but no other euro will either. Even Cairoli may be too much for an American in deep sand, but those two guys are the only ones we can't beat. Anyone else we can beat with a decent start and not crashing. We got on the podium at Lommel even with a mechanical issue and DNF in one of the Motos. Lommel was a little more extreme and foregn to American riders than Assen.
I'm sure Herlings and Cairoli will be the top finishers in their Motos, but as far as team's go and overall, average finishes, America will he a strong contender for the overall victory or podium if they don't have bikes breaking and/or bikes breaking in qualifying that results in shit gate picks/shit starts.
We just need the right three, enthusiastic guys who are decent in sand, not have horrible suspension set ups again, average luck,, and get familiar with a European starting gate.
America absolutely has a shot at podium and even a shot at winning the event . Anyone who says we don't is a fool.
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fullfloater wrote:
Tomac, Webb plus AC or Forkner. I don't like the track but I'm all in with those guys.
Im with you. Our best chance 100%. AC is from FL dont underestimate that man in the sand. Tomac and Webb is what it looks like now with no questions to be asked, but JA21 may want in as well. I know its not as sandy of a track as Assen but what RJ did at WW shows just how comfy and fast the FL boys can be in the sand.
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EnvyMedia 4/26/2019 3:17am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way. Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which...
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way.

Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which it might not considering his confidence is probably down the drain at this point). He´s experienced with the format, the GP tracks in general and actually turned in to a really good sand rider.

Its hard to know what US riders are good sand riders since its basically only southwick each year that has proper sand, and even that isnt the deep soft sand they have in Holland. Who would you say is the best sand riders in the nationals?

Osborne has experience but I cant remember him beeing very good in the sand.

Tomac is probably the best bet just because of his pure speed ceiling and beast-mode. I do however he will have trouble actually winning heats because the same reason because Assen sand is more on flow and finesse than actual balls-to-the-walls Tomac style but he can surely pull of some good results, maybe even podiums.

I feel like the favorites has to be Holland trailed by Belgium, US, Germany, Italy or GB. I feel all these actually have a chance to win as they either have a top rider who will contend for wins or 3 solid placement guys. Like Italy obviously Cairoli will do well and I expect Lupino, Bernadini or Cervellin to put in some solid results. Germany has Jacobi and Nagl who will probably be good and Roczen used to be a torpedo in the sand, although I think he´s lost a lot of that while in the US. GB have Watson now with a really high ceiling and pair that with the experience of Wilson, Anstie, Searle or Simpson. Belgium will always be good. JHV is still really fast and always performs at MXON and so does Desalle. Geerts has shown some amazing speed lately and will probably be a consistant podium guy this year. Throw Leiber in there too. Holland obviously has JH84 and Vlaanderen and if Coldenhoff can get healthy and up to speed in time we know what he can do.

Also, dont be surprised if someone like Jasikonis pulls of a win or two on that track. If he continues to ride better and better like he´s doing and he gets some confidence in him, he will be a beast I think
Are we really going to expect anyone other than 84 or 222 to win Assen?


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Ranman68 4/26/2019 3:35am
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fullfloater wrote:
Tomac, Webb plus AC or Forkner. I don't like the track but I'm all in with those guys.
And for good reason. I agree 100 percent.
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Ray_MXS wrote:
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way. Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which...
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way.

Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which it might not considering his confidence is probably down the drain at this point). He´s experienced with the format, the GP tracks in general and actually turned in to a really good sand rider.

Its hard to know what US riders are good sand riders since its basically only southwick each year that has proper sand, and even that isnt the deep soft sand they have in Holland. Who would you say is the best sand riders in the nationals?

Osborne has experience but I cant remember him beeing very good in the sand.

Tomac is probably the best bet just because of his pure speed ceiling and beast-mode. I do however he will have trouble actually winning heats because the same reason because Assen sand is more on flow and finesse than actual balls-to-the-walls Tomac style but he can surely pull of some good results, maybe even podiums.

I feel like the favorites has to be Holland trailed by Belgium, US, Germany, Italy or GB. I feel all these actually have a chance to win as they either have a top rider who will contend for wins or 3 solid placement guys. Like Italy obviously Cairoli will do well and I expect Lupino, Bernadini or Cervellin to put in some solid results. Germany has Jacobi and Nagl who will probably be good and Roczen used to be a torpedo in the sand, although I think he´s lost a lot of that while in the US. GB have Watson now with a really high ceiling and pair that with the experience of Wilson, Anstie, Searle or Simpson. Belgium will always be good. JHV is still really fast and always performs at MXON and so does Desalle. Geerts has shown some amazing speed lately and will probably be a consistant podium guy this year. Throw Leiber in there too. Holland obviously has JH84 and Vlaanderen and if Coldenhoff can get healthy and up to speed in time we know what he can do.

Also, dont be surprised if someone like Jasikonis pulls of a win or two on that track. If he continues to ride better and better like he´s doing and he gets some confidence in him, he will be a beast I think
I reckon you’re right with all that. Really good observations.

Zach used to be excellent in the sand while he was over here. I’ve seen it with my own eyes..he was like a 16000rpm blur of crazy fast American haha!
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Ranman68 4/26/2019 3:47am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way. Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which...
The US can certainly win or podium if things go their way.

Covington on a 250 is a given if his national season is decent. (which it might not considering his confidence is probably down the drain at this point). He´s experienced with the format, the GP tracks in general and actually turned in to a really good sand rider.

Its hard to know what US riders are good sand riders since its basically only southwick each year that has proper sand, and even that isnt the deep soft sand they have in Holland. Who would you say is the best sand riders in the nationals?

Osborne has experience but I cant remember him beeing very good in the sand.

Tomac is probably the best bet just because of his pure speed ceiling and beast-mode. I do however he will have trouble actually winning heats because the same reason because Assen sand is more on flow and finesse than actual balls-to-the-walls Tomac style but he can surely pull of some good results, maybe even podiums.

I feel like the favorites has to be Holland trailed by Belgium, US, Germany, Italy or GB. I feel all these actually have a chance to win as they either have a top rider who will contend for wins or 3 solid placement guys. Like Italy obviously Cairoli will do well and I expect Lupino, Bernadini or Cervellin to put in some solid results. Germany has Jacobi and Nagl who will probably be good and Roczen used to be a torpedo in the sand, although I think he´s lost a lot of that while in the US. GB have Watson now with a really high ceiling and pair that with the experience of Wilson, Anstie, Searle or Simpson. Belgium will always be good. JHV is still really fast and always performs at MXON and so does Desalle. Geerts has shown some amazing speed lately and will probably be a consistant podium guy this year. Throw Leiber in there too. Holland obviously has JH84 and Vlaanderen and if Coldenhoff can get healthy and up to speed in time we know what he can do.

Also, dont be surprised if someone like Jasikonis pulls of a win or two on that track. If he continues to ride better and better like he´s doing and he gets some confidence in him, he will be a beast I think
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Are we really going to expect anyone other than 84 or 222 to win Assen? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/26/341962/s1200_Screenshot_2019_04_26_at_12.16.27.jpg[/img]
Are we really going to expect anyone other than 84 or 222 to win Assen?


Very few would expect that Herlings or Cairoli will get beat by anyone (American or European) in their individual motos unless they were to crash, break their bike, or whatever. Beyond that, it's a race for 3rd that a lot of guys could get. As far as the overall team victory, their are several with a legit shot. No matter how good any team is, bad luck can easily take them out of contention for the win or even a podium. No one will straight up beat Herlings in that sand. No way. Tomac with the right set up and decent start could damn sure he a problem for the rest of them. Even a problem for Cairoli I think. I could be wrong. That's a guess of course. That's all we can do. Herlings at Assen isn't a guess. He will win his races. It would take two crashes or his bike quitting for him to get beat in sand like that.
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oh and lets not forget Prado ..he is going to smoke a lot of 450 riders at MXON ...again Wink
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The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
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The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
I actually like it because it is in their house. Makes it interesting.
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The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
the track was changed to fit the weather ... little reminder Wink

if it would have been good weather , no sand would have been added ... only change would have been start area to fit mxgp stands ...
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I have faith that America can top 5 in Assen. I also agree with the guy who said we could practice at hangtown until our wheels...
I have faith that America can top 5 in Assen. I also agree with the guy who said we could practice at hangtown until our wheels fell off and still not be prepared for ASSEN. Ive been wondering why it's such a big deal when the USA team doesnt win. Why do we all talk about the ifs ands and buts when they lose? Noone does that shit with italy or germany or belgium. Why is the US held to a higher standard?
Because the US is the best.
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The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
Ok so the "euros" doesn't race with dirt bikes on tracks made on sand/dirt with corners and jumps? Because that what motocross is and if your US can't win on anything but one of the same 12-14 tracks they race all year and prepped in the exact way that it is on their national, then they surely aren't the best dirt bike riders out there and does not deserve to win. It's the same for everyone. What kind of fucked up reasoning is that, that it's unfair towards USA because it's not prepped the same way. You are the only country I know that prep their tracks the same way every week, tilled so deep that it becomes a big rut fest. The best dirt bike riders should be able to ride anything, not just the stuff in their backyard.
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The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
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Ok so the "euros" doesn't race with dirt bikes on tracks made on sand/dirt with corners and jumps? Because that what motocross is and if your...
Ok so the "euros" doesn't race with dirt bikes on tracks made on sand/dirt with corners and jumps? Because that what motocross is and if your US can't win on anything but one of the same 12-14 tracks they race all year and prepped in the exact way that it is on their national, then they surely aren't the best dirt bike riders out there and does not deserve to win. It's the same for everyone. What kind of fucked up reasoning is that, that it's unfair towards USA because it's not prepped the same way. You are the only country I know that prep their tracks the same way every week, tilled so deep that it becomes a big rut fest. The best dirt bike riders should be able to ride anything, not just the stuff in their backyard.
So the best riders should be able to ride anything eh? Lets see how they do against us on a Supercross track. Oh wait...
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So the best riders should be able to ride anything eh? Lets see how they do against us on a Supercross track. Oh wait...

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I think realistically team USA will hope for a podium, Netherlands & Belgium will be very strong. Team GB have good sand riders & you can...
I think realistically team USA will hope for a podium, Netherlands & Belgium will be very strong. Team GB have good sand riders & you can never rule our France.

I’ve said before, there are 3 types of MX, your normal MX, SX & the sand riding. SX & sand surfing cannot be learnt in a month.
A podium for Team USA is some hope. There are way too many good sand riders on European teams and others to give them a chance.

And there are actually 4 types of MX, you forgot mudders.
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I think realistically team USA will hope for a podium, Netherlands & Belgium will be very strong. Team GB have good sand riders & you can...
I think realistically team USA will hope for a podium, Netherlands & Belgium will be very strong. Team GB have good sand riders & you can never rule our France.

I’ve said before, there are 3 types of MX, your normal MX, SX & the sand riding. SX & sand surfing cannot be learnt in a month.
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A podium for Team USA is some hope. There are way too many good sand riders on European teams and others to give them a chance...
A podium for Team USA is some hope. There are way too many good sand riders on European teams and others to give them a chance.

And there are actually 4 types of MX, you forgot mudders.
They managed a podium at Lommel...The Chuck Norris of motocross tracks. Smile
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So the best riders should be able to ride anything eh? Lets see how they do against us on a Supercross track. Oh wait...
That the only way you can win? Challenge the mxgp riders to compete in a discipline they don't ride? ?
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So the best riders should be able to ride anything eh? Lets see how they do against us on a Supercross track. Oh wait...
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That the only way you can win? Challenge the mxgp riders to compete in a discipline they don't ride? ?
Oh, you mean like us racing a discipline we only ride for 1/4 of the year?

Unfortunately there is way too much emphasis on SX here and that's where the money is. Outdoors are nowhere near as important as SX. It's unfortunately the way it is. If we switched over to riding outdoors the majority of the time than we'd have zero excuses.

USA is SX. Euro is MX. That's just the way it is and I don't see that changing anytime soon. So realistically, I don't even know why we bother sending our guys. It's not our main focus and the rest of the world talks shit because we can't hang anymore. It's pointless and realistically means nothing. MXoN is just a dick measuring contest now.
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Barrett57 4/26/2019 11:15am
4/26/2019 11:15am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Oh, you mean like us racing a discipline we only ride for 1/4 of the year? Unfortunately there is way too much emphasis on SX here...
Oh, you mean like us racing a discipline we only ride for 1/4 of the year?

Unfortunately there is way too much emphasis on SX here and that's where the money is. Outdoors are nowhere near as important as SX. It's unfortunately the way it is. If we switched over to riding outdoors the majority of the time than we'd have zero excuses.

USA is SX. Euro is MX. That's just the way it is and I don't see that changing anytime soon. So realistically, I don't even know why we bother sending our guys. It's not our main focus and the rest of the world talks shit because we can't hang anymore. It's pointless and realistically means nothing. MXoN is just a dick measuring contest now.
That's the spirit, if we can't win let's throw our toys out the pram and not go.
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Nuffsaid 4/26/2019 11:24am
4/26/2019 11:24am
WW444 wrote:
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
The “Euros” had the advantage due to all the experience they had riding RedBud
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Park Boys 4/26/2019 11:38am
4/26/2019 11:38am
WW444 wrote:
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our...
The problem I have with Nations is it is purely catered to the boys across the pond. Red Bud was not the same Red Bud our boys raced on a couple of months prior. The format is different but I don't think that is a big factor but the track was changed to fit their style. I am not denying that we got worked, but I would like to see Nations come in and everyone race on one our tracks the same way it is prepped for our outdoor nationals. They may win in that scenario too but I feel it would be the closest to level playing field we can get. I'm sorry but it will never be level or even anymore because as the Euros just get faster outdoors, we get faster indoors and focus on where the money is at and that is in Supercross where our guys spend 70% of the year training and racing for.
Ray_MXS wrote:
Ok so the "euros" doesn't race with dirt bikes on tracks made on sand/dirt with corners and jumps? Because that what motocross is and if your...
Ok so the "euros" doesn't race with dirt bikes on tracks made on sand/dirt with corners and jumps? Because that what motocross is and if your US can't win on anything but one of the same 12-14 tracks they race all year and prepped in the exact way that it is on their national, then they surely aren't the best dirt bike riders out there and does not deserve to win. It's the same for everyone. What kind of fucked up reasoning is that, that it's unfair towards USA because it's not prepped the same way. You are the only country I know that prep their tracks the same way every week, tilled so deep that it becomes a big rut fest. The best dirt bike riders should be able to ride anything, not just the stuff in their backyard.
I could have sworn that we all watched Tomac win SX/MX and GPs in the same calendar year. If being able to win on any style is the goal than isint Tomac king? Tongue Tongue
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mattyhamz2 4/26/2019 11:39am
4/26/2019 11:39am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Oh, you mean like us racing a discipline we only ride for 1/4 of the year? Unfortunately there is way too much emphasis on SX here...
Oh, you mean like us racing a discipline we only ride for 1/4 of the year?

Unfortunately there is way too much emphasis on SX here and that's where the money is. Outdoors are nowhere near as important as SX. It's unfortunately the way it is. If we switched over to riding outdoors the majority of the time than we'd have zero excuses.

USA is SX. Euro is MX. That's just the way it is and I don't see that changing anytime soon. So realistically, I don't even know why we bother sending our guys. It's not our main focus and the rest of the world talks shit because we can't hang anymore. It's pointless and realistically means nothing. MXoN is just a dick measuring contest now.
Barrett57 wrote:
That's the spirit, if we can't win let's throw our toys out the pram and not go.
My opinion is, what's the point? We are SX riders here in the US with some MX sprinkled it. Our riders focus on SX from September through May. MX is focused on from May to August. We don't do well, everyone shit talks our guys. MXoN isn't the same race is once was. Chad Reed even said on PulpMX that he wouldn't blame Tomac or anyone else from the US for not going again. A dude who wanted nothing more than to ride for his own country last year said he wouldn't blame our guys for not wanting to go and that the race isn't what it once was.

This is all just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree, or anyone for that matter.
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