What "changes" Did They Make to Tomac's Bike?

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Johnny Depp wrote:
Here's a MEC reference to KYB's and the '18 front axle 20mm. https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-2018-Monster-Energy-Cup,6254 There's a photo from Arlington that shows his transmission vent, maybe with a...

Here's a MEC reference to KYB's and the '18 front axle 20mm.

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-2018-Monster-Energy-…

There's a photo from Arlington that shows his transmission vent, maybe with a puff of smoke? and it is way low under the linkage.
https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-Arlington,5832

I was on the floor at the corner before the finish line at Houston, and it was not clutch IMO, I know what a slipping clutch sounds like. IMO opinion he figured he was already out of it and would rather have someone/anyone else beat Webb so handed him a position.

Kawasaki had run an oil cooler for years, not now. Hmm.
They have generally run the cooler during the summer, but not during SX.
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omalley wrote:
New sponsor-John Force Racing. Installed a top fuel funny car clutch....
What is a top fuel funny car?
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downard254 wrote:
I seem to remember back when Bayle was racing the 500 class, he would go through a set of rear brake pads every race. I’m thinking...
I seem to remember back when Bayle was racing the 500 class, he would go through a set of rear brake pads every race. I’m thinking I remember reading that he did this to load the rear suspension or to limit wheel spin, or something like that. I can’t remember for sure, but this talk of Tomac using the clutch like he does reminded me of Bayle. Does anyone remember hearing this about him, or can confirm that?
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I remember reading article on Honda's factory Baja bikes back when and they had a trick rear caliper. They got it off of one of Bayle's...
I remember reading article on Honda's factory Baja bikes back when and they had a trick rear caliper.
They got it off of one of Bayle's works motocrossers. Apparently he was so heavy on the rear brake that
they had to make some mondo calipers for him. So yeah, your recolection rings a bell.
Absolutely true. They also created a carbon fiber air scoop for the rear caliper.
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New sponsor-John Force Racing. Installed a top fuel funny car clutch....
GuyB wrote:
What is a top fuel funny car?
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
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omalley wrote:
Not sure if I’m being trolled... I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000...
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
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GuyB wrote:
They have generally run the cooler during the summer, but not during SX.
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Steve... this one was on his practice bike at Glendale, so Kaw may have been testing them to see it they would help.






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omalley wrote:
Not sure if I’m being trolled... I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000...
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other versions.

Those cars are incredible.
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omalley wrote:
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other...
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other versions.

Those cars are incredible.
Still on my bucket list to go watch one of those events...must make your hair stand straight up.
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omalley wrote:
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other...
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other versions.

Those cars are incredible.
Boomslang wrote:
Still on my bucket list to go watch one of those events...must make your hair stand straight up.
Up in NorCal it was a rite of passage to race Friday nights at the Sacramento Raceway. moto bowl. It was right next to the drag strip and sometimes ran in conjunction. Going to a moto race and seeing top fuel dragsters, nitro burners and crazy shit like rocket cars was beyond words when you're 10-12yrs old.
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Kawasaki took his valve cover AKA Helmet off and just inside the right ear they used a small Phillips screwdriver and made a slight adjustment in the pressure valve.
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Does anyone know what offset of the XTRIG triple clamps they are running. Are they the stock offest? What is the stock offset?
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omalley wrote:
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other...
Oh, gotcha. Yes, I’ve heard them referred to as both. I’ve always used top fuel with funny car as there are also top alcohol and other versions.

Those cars are incredible.
Boomslang wrote:
Still on my bucket list to go watch one of those events...must make your hair stand straight up.
Go to Firebird Raceway in late January. No press/cool guy status needed. Standing 20 feet away from a top fueler on a pass is an experience for sure.
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omalley wrote:
Not sure if I’m being trolled... I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000...
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
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omalley wrote:
Not sure if I’m being trolled... I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000...
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
We can blame Vince Neil for that, lyrics at the beginning of Kickstart my heart.

KC
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One tooth up on the rear sprocket. Always works
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Robert Van Winkle?
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You're a cold man, Johnny Depp... Cold as ice!
lostboy819 wrote:
You need to Stop, collaborate and listen.
Cooking top fuel clutches like a pound of bacon
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omalley wrote:
Not sure if I’m being trolled... I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000...
Not sure if I’m being trolled...
I’ll assume not. It’s a class of drag racing. Basically a full-body, short version of a Top Fuel dragster. 8-10000 horsepower. The clutches slip for the first third or half track until they fully engage so the power goes to the ground instead of spinning the tires. Literally hot enough to fry eggs at the end of a run.
GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
Technically it is a "Top Fuel" class it's just not commonly named as much. The Top Alcohol classes carry that naming in front of both Dragster and Funny Car models. while it's not common to call it a Top Fuel Funny Car, it's not technically wrong either.
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GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
752dad wrote:
We can blame Vince Neil for that, lyrics at the beginning of Kickstart my heart.

KC
Whoa whoa whoa....lets not go putting the blame on Vince....it was Nikki Sixx who wrote the lyrics.
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GuyB wrote:
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of...
I’m used to seeing Top Fuel in reference to the top dragster class, and Funny Car for the top full-bodied class, but not a blend of the two names.

I’m familiar with their clutch setup. Smile

Back in the day I did some reference photos for an artist friend of mine who did amazing t-shirt art. I shot car pics of Ormsby, Amato, Muldowney, and Prudhomme. When I stopped by Don’s shop, Larry Dixon gave me a tour of the car’s layout and controls. That was before he started his driving career...he was the engine bottom end guy. Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
ML512 wrote:
Technically it is a "Top Fuel" class it's just not commonly named as much. The Top Alcohol classes carry that naming in front of both Dragster...
Technically it is a "Top Fuel" class it's just not commonly named as much. The Top Alcohol classes carry that naming in front of both Dragster and Funny Car models. while it's not common to call it a Top Fuel Funny Car, it's not technically wrong either.
Technically it is wrong to the NHRA guys even though they run the same fuel and in the NHRA classes it called "Top fuel" Which is the dragsters and then just "Funnycar" . The NHRA faithful are even bigger weiners than us old MX guys Cool
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I’d have to check, but don’t Funny Cars have a “T/F” on the upper corner of the windshield?
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And I still haven't found out who Kpipers "former national champion friend" is.Cool
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lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
752dad wrote:
We can blame Vince Neil for that, lyrics at the beginning of Kickstart my heart.

KC
Torco1 wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa....lets not go putting the blame on Vince....it was Nikki Sixx who wrote the lyrics.
Kickass song either way.
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Nitro Funny Car!

Went to Mile High Nationals every year when I was younger. Even did the high school drag races at Bandimere. Good times!
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lostboy819 wrote:
And I still haven't found out who Kpipers "former national champion friend" is.Cool
Funny. I raced some Nationals back in the day myself and know more than one former champion because I used to race with them. Some I ride with every now and then. Not such an unusual thing is it?

And not unusual at all to suggest that many riders use/used the clutch technique people are saying Eli uses. I.E. modulating your speed with the clutch and holding the throttle constant. It actually works well.

I don't see why the statement of who told me that interests you so much. It is not some insider secret info like Nerd suggested he had. Lol.

If I tried to hype my statement by tossing in those words and broke VitalMX SOP I apologize. But I don't plan to drag the guy who told me that into this thread! Smile

I do like your profile pic! Hannah was the greatest.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
IIRC last year? they made a change after a few races to the ride height and put more weight on the front, and his results instantly...
IIRC last year? they made a change after a few races to the ride height and put more weight on the front, and his results instantly changed for the good. Perhaps he has long desired the same changes to the '19, and MW got in the way of that. He looks comfortable now, probably at home eating a pizza and taking a nap.
eric513anderson wrote:
Your correct. I can’t remember if it was during SX or outdoors but I do remember them saying they added or took away 1mm of sag...
Your correct. I can’t remember if it was during SX or outdoors but I do remember them saying they added or took away 1mm of sag and that made all the difference.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Here's a MEC reference to KYB's and the '18 front axle 20mm. https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-2018-Monster-Energy-Cup,6254 There's a photo from Arlington that shows his transmission vent, maybe with a...

Here's a MEC reference to KYB's and the '18 front axle 20mm.

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-2018-Monster-Energy-…

There's a photo from Arlington that shows his transmission vent, maybe with a puff of smoke? and it is way low under the linkage.
https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Vital-MX-Pit-Bits-Arlington,5832

I was on the floor at the corner before the finish line at Houston, and it was not clutch IMO, I know what a slipping clutch sounds like. IMO opinion he figured he was already out of it and would rather have someone/anyone else beat Webb so handed him a position.

Kawasaki had run an oil cooler for years, not now. Hmm.
So from what I could find, standard front geometry figures for KX450 are:

2018 2019 Difference

Rake = 28.2* - 27.6* - 0.6* steeper
Trail = 127mm - 121.9mm - 5.1 less trail
Wheel base = 1496.06 - 1485.9 - 10.1 less wheel base

Running the 20mm axle reduces trail a further 1mm to 120.9mm.
But that's all based on standard clamp and bearing offset, as well as swingarm length and chain set length, so there's a big * in here too.

For comparison:
2019 CRF450R

Rake = 27.22*
Trail = 116mm
w/base = 1473.2
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lostboy819 wrote:
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and...
I am impressed, You have spent time at the drag strip and you would be surprised at the amount of people who get it wrong and call it Top fuel Funny car. Cool
752dad wrote:
We can blame Vince Neil for that, lyrics at the beginning of Kickstart my heart.

KC
Torco1 wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa....lets not go putting the blame on Vince....it was Nikki Sixx who wrote the lyrics.
Guilty as Charged ?

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lostboy819 wrote:
And I still haven't found out who Kpipers "former national champion friend" is.Cool
kpiper wrote:
Funny. I raced some Nationals back in the day myself and know more than one former champion because I used to race with them. Some I...
Funny. I raced some Nationals back in the day myself and know more than one former champion because I used to race with them. Some I ride with every now and then. Not such an unusual thing is it?

And not unusual at all to suggest that many riders use/used the clutch technique people are saying Eli uses. I.E. modulating your speed with the clutch and holding the throttle constant. It actually works well.

I don't see why the statement of who told me that interests you so much. It is not some insider secret info like Nerd suggested he had. Lol.

If I tried to hype my statement by tossing in those words and broke VitalMX SOP I apologize. But I don't plan to drag the guy who told me that into this thread! Smile

I do like your profile pic! Hannah was the greatest.
Just wondering because lots of great opinions from some of them, I see Donnie Hanson quite a bid and he has some interesting incite on today's racing and Mark Barnett also and he scared the shit out of me when he bombed the Lakewood track with me riding shotgun in his rental mini van in the dark. I don't think you would be dragging anyone into anything because its a effective way to control the power output by using the clutch that I don't think a lot or riders know about. Now if they were taking about a riders girl friend that's a different storyWink .

PS that's one of the cool things about working at Vickery Motorsprts back in the day is you get to know a lot of the hero's of the sport,Damon Bradshaw was in last week and is still a really down to earth guy. I am lucky to have gotten to meet other sports stars to like Terrell Davis, Steve Atwater, Mark Jackson and a bunch of others, Mortorcycle's tend to bring everyone together.
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lostboy819 wrote:
And I still haven't found out who Kpipers "former national champion friend" is.Cool
kpiper wrote:
Funny. I raced some Nationals back in the day myself and know more than one former champion because I used to race with them. Some I...
Funny. I raced some Nationals back in the day myself and know more than one former champion because I used to race with them. Some I ride with every now and then. Not such an unusual thing is it?

And not unusual at all to suggest that many riders use/used the clutch technique people are saying Eli uses. I.E. modulating your speed with the clutch and holding the throttle constant. It actually works well.

I don't see why the statement of who told me that interests you so much. It is not some insider secret info like Nerd suggested he had. Lol.

If I tried to hype my statement by tossing in those words and broke VitalMX SOP I apologize. But I don't plan to drag the guy who told me that into this thread! Smile

I do like your profile pic! Hannah was the greatest.
lostboy819 wrote:
Just wondering because lots of great opinions from some of them, I see Donnie Hanson quite a bid and he has some interesting incite on today's...
Just wondering because lots of great opinions from some of them, I see Donnie Hanson quite a bid and he has some interesting incite on today's racing and Mark Barnett also and he scared the shit out of me when he bombed the Lakewood track with me riding shotgun in his rental mini van in the dark. I don't think you would be dragging anyone into anything because its a effective way to control the power output by using the clutch that I don't think a lot or riders know about. Now if they were taking about a riders girl friend that's a different storyWink .

PS that's one of the cool things about working at Vickery Motorsprts back in the day is you get to know a lot of the hero's of the sport,Damon Bradshaw was in last week and is still a really down to earth guy. I am lucky to have gotten to meet other sports stars to like Terrell Davis, Steve Atwater, Mark Jackson and a bunch of others, Mortorcycle's tend to bring everyone together.
Yes, those guys were amazing. When he told me to try riding that way I had never even thought about it! I doubt most riders would. It works great and I really think you can ride faster but it is tough on your clutch plates!

Of course, Eli just needs a clutch to last one race!
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lostboy819 4/17/2019 6:34pm
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kpiper wrote:
Yes, those guys were amazing. When he told me to try riding that way I had never even thought about it! I doubt most riders would...
Yes, those guys were amazing. When he told me to try riding that way I had never even thought about it! I doubt most riders would. It works great and I really think you can ride faster but it is tough on your clutch plates!

Of course, Eli just needs a clutch to last one race!
You should have seen the crowd reaction when he was on the track last weekend, It was amazing and TV didn't come close to showing how loud it was and everyone on their feet, Hope he can keep it rolling. Cool
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RexEasely 4/17/2019 7:48pm
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ML512 wrote:
I heard a big one that was being considered a few weeks back but Williamson objected to was to change the trail and rake. So they...
I heard a big one that was being considered a few weeks back but Williamson objected to was to change the trail and rake. So they may have finally got to test that.
Please send text message for evidence...since I heard different

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