How is the title viewed if Eli wins?

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Let’s say Cooper has a mechanical or an injury or gets taken out by Savagty resulting in a DNF. How is the title perceived? Is there a comparison from the past of this happening? I know at the end of the day the champion is the champion but I am not certain I view Eli as the true champion.
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SWOHIO GUY 4/15/2019 3:14pm
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Pourcel and Langston are the only examples I can think of titles being lost this late on something similar.
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soggy 4/15/2019 3:15pm
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he wouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt like when dungey won in 17 and eli had i think 2 mechanicals that year. I can tell you that much.
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SWOHIO GUY 4/15/2019 3:17pm
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he wouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt like when dungey won in 17 and eli had i think 2 mechanicals that year. I can...
he wouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt like when dungey won in 17 and eli had i think 2 mechanicals that year. I can tell you that much.
I also something else that would be lost is Eli Winning as many or more races than Webb
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devindavisphoto 4/15/2019 3:19pm
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How is the title viewed if Cooper wins? After 15 rounds he's clearly been the best guy, yet there's a lot of you guys on here trying to twist it into ways where he doesn't deserve it.
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uneasy_rider 4/15/2019 3:30pm
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Let’s say Cooper has a mechanical or an injury or gets taken out by Savagty resulting in a DNF. How is the title perceived? Is there...
Let’s say Cooper has a mechanical or an injury or gets taken out by Savagty resulting in a DNF. How is the title perceived? Is there a comparison from the past of this happening? I know at the end of the day the champion is the champion but I am not certain I view Eli as the true champion.
Its a valid title, unless it was won under the exact same circumstances by Dungey, then it would be a gift......
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GuyB 4/15/2019 3:35pm
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It's a 17-race series. The guy with the most points at the end is the champion. There are no asterisks for the guys who win the title.
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Falcon 4/15/2019 3:36pm
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This sport is about man AND machine. If Webb loses because of a mechanical, it's the same as in any other series with that outcome; the champ is the champ.
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mattyhamz2 4/15/2019 3:38pm
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GuyB wrote:
It's a 17-race series. The guy with the most points at the end is the champion. There are no asterisks for the guys who win the...
It's a 17-race series. The guy with the most points at the end is the champion. There are no asterisks for the guys who win the title.
Just a question for you Gibby...

What if a racers teammate moves over purposely two separate times throughout the series, giving that racer the points advantage he needed to win? What are your thoughts?
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GuyB 4/15/2019 3:42pm
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He could move over ten times and it's the same.

Look at F1. There's a primary and secondary driver. Some of them follow team orders. Some don't. Some people might not like it, but that's reality.

I feel sort of the same way for Supercross. While we'd like to think it's an absolutely level playing field, in reality, the goal is to win races and championships. These things are incredibly hard to win. If they get a little help along the way, I don't see it as criminal as some in here seem to view it.
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agn5009 4/15/2019 3:45pm
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He’s won like 6 or 7 races this year hasn’t he? If he wins another or two he would win 7 or 8 races. Are you trying to insinuate someone winning that many races may not deserve the title Dry
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mattyhamz2 4/15/2019 3:47pm
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GuyB wrote:
He could move over ten times and it's the same. Look at F1. There's a primary and secondary driver. Some of them follow team orders. Some...
He could move over ten times and it's the same.

Look at F1. There's a primary and secondary driver. Some of them follow team orders. Some don't. Some people might not like it, but that's reality.

I feel sort of the same way for Supercross. While we'd like to think it's an absolutely level playing field, in reality, the goal is to win races and championships. These things are incredibly hard to win. If they get a little help along the way, I don't see it as criminal as some in here seem to view it.
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it instead of acting like it was a mistake? Or would that open it up to "fixing" the race and be against what the AMA rule book says?
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dickjackson170 4/15/2019 3:49pm
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He'd be perceived as the champion and could give 2 shits what some pimple popper on the internet thinks. Really doesn't matter how any of them are perceived. That's why they keep track of points.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it...
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it instead of acting like it was a mistake? Or would that open it up to "fixing" the race and be against what the AMA rule book says?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. I watch the races from the floor, not on TV, so my perspective might be a bit different.
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GuyB wrote:
It's a 17-race series. The guy with the most points at the end is the champion. There are no asterisks for the guys who win the...
It's a 17-race series. The guy with the most points at the end is the champion. There are no asterisks for the guys who win the title.
thank you,thank you,thank you. you are a wise man.
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mattyhamz2 4/15/2019 3:50pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it...
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it instead of acting like it was a mistake? Or would that open it up to "fixing" the race and be against what the AMA rule book says?
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I'm not sure what you're referring to. I watch the races from the floor, not on TV, so my perspective might be a bit different.
I was referring to 2017. Marv moving over for Dungey
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soggy 4/15/2019 4:00pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it...
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it instead of acting like it was a mistake? Or would that open it up to "fixing" the race and be against what the AMA rule book says?
the way marvin has made mistakes the last few years in pressure situations i think he actually could have bobbled accidentally in 17.

but i do agree, the rider should just say they let them by. If they don't want the heat for it just say its team orders.
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RichieW13 4/15/2019 4:04pm
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soggy wrote:
he wouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt like when dungey won in 17 and eli had i think 2 mechanicals that year. I can...
he wouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt like when dungey won in 17 and eli had i think 2 mechanicals that year. I can tell you that much.
Interesting point. If your main competition has issues early in the season, there really is no asterisk. But if the main competition was to have issues at the end of the year, some would put asterisks on the championship.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I was referring to 2017. Marv moving over for Dungey
I think Marv was confused at what was expected of him. It was nice of him, but sort of unnecessary.

It would have been closer in the end, but the result would have been the same.
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Keith72 4/15/2019 4:05pm
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The first thing you need to do to win is show up. If you can't make it tough shit. What difference does it make if it's the first round or the last? If Cooper or Eli or any of the rest of them get hurt and can't race do you think we should postpone the race until they're ready to go???????
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sbarrington314 4/15/2019 4:28pm
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Eli is on track to have won the most races each season, 3 years running. He's as deserving of a title as anyone else that manages to win it.
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SWOHIO GUY 4/15/2019 4:42pm
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I am an Eli fan, I think he is an incredible rider and more than deserving of the championship, especially if he wins the last 2 races and leads the series in wins. I just wanted an idea of everyone else’s thoughts if this scenario played out. I think the majority of people have the same opinion as I do.
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Let’s say Cooper has a mechanical or an injury or gets taken out by Savagty resulting in a DNF. How is the title perceived? Is there...
Let’s say Cooper has a mechanical or an injury or gets taken out by Savagty resulting in a DNF. How is the title perceived? Is there a comparison from the past of this happening? I know at the end of the day the champion is the champion but I am not certain I view Eli as the true champion.
I'd love to know how this is all viewed internally at Kawi.

If he wins the next two, he's won the most races again but probably no title.

Do they kick themselves for not removing the road block earlier or are they looking at their crossed-super-star with a raised eyebrow.
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olds cool 4/15/2019 5:04pm
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You mean like the Monster Cup last year when Versace took a dive for Eli? Wink
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5 pager... With 124 dungey references... Lol
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it...
I personally don't care for it, but do you think it would have been more accepted if the racer moving over would have just owned it instead of acting like it was a mistake? Or would that open it up to "fixing" the race and be against what the AMA rule book says?
soggy wrote:
the way marvin has made mistakes the last few years in pressure situations i think he actually could have bobbled accidentally in 17. but i do...
the way marvin has made mistakes the last few years in pressure situations i think he actually could have bobbled accidentally in 17.

but i do agree, the rider should just say they let them by. If they don't want the heat for it just say its team orders.
I wish Marvin would have just waved Dungey by. Would he still have received as much hate? Absolutely. at least it would have been more funny for the people who don’t care and are realistic. Dungey and Musquin were teammates and have a lot of respect for each other. If Musquin couldn’t win I’m sure he wanted Dungey to be the guy to win it.
Indian_Dunes_4ever 4/15/2019 6:45pm
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It would be viewed the same was as Andersons title..... luck.

Not trashing Anderson...like the guy in fact.

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tp4 4/15/2019 6:53pm
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the fastest rider does not all ways win.
since Guy B been on the floor watching who does he think has been the fastest?
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fullfloater 4/15/2019 7:03pm
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it would be viewed as awesome. If something really crazy happens and Roczen wins it, even more awesome.
jorgechavez 4/15/2019 7:04pm
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Let's be real here.. he isn't winning.
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