KTM statement: No Herlings in AMA Nationals

Holtslayer 3/22/2019 2:07am
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KTM don't want him riding with the slow AMA guys in case he loses pace for next year. Dry
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Cam down ladies, I don’t think the bullet would go stateside unless he was at full strength or he would get beat. This way he can ease his way back into the GPS and if the championship is still out of reach come August you might see him do some AMA rounds when he’s up to speed. Do the USA posters on here really want to see him unless he’s in shape for that break neck pace he brings.
And for the ones on here thinking that Webb has something for him please let’s stick to reality here
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 2:45am
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Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
Isn't his current deal long and expensive though?

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ruy 3/22/2019 3:09am
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zehn wrote:
The US is the largest single motocross market in the world
Beeby wrote:
But not as big as the rest of the world
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There has got to be a chart somewhere. Total sales of motocross bikes by country 2018.
I do not know now, but years ago, more MX bikes were sold only in California, than in the rest of the world.
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DeStouwer 3/22/2019 3:20am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
Blah blah blah... What is this here? An MX-related forum or a tabloid?
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
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Isn't his current deal long and expensive though?
Best base salary of all KTM riders i've heard. He is happy with KTM and has a good partnership with Beier. I don't know if he agrees with the situation but he is on their payroll and they eventually decide.
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I honestly thought it was a no-brainer for KTM to send him here. Yes, Tomac is fast, but he’s still very inconsistent. KTM, in my opinion...
I honestly thought it was a no-brainer for KTM to send him here. Yes, Tomac is fast, but he’s still very inconsistent. KTM, in my opinion, would have a legitimate chance to fill the overall podium with Musquin, Webb, and Herlings. Baggett can’t be counted out either, really. I felt this possibility and the advertising that could come with finish first through third would have been enough for KTM to give a green light.
I would have loved to see him go to the US, but imo it makes sense for KTM. Having just 1 guy in the championship fight (even though heavy favorite) is just not enough. As Prado is showing right now (he is injured and out for the British GP). KTM has 2 championship guys in the US, and only 1 with TC222 in the GP's.

Herlings missed 1 GP last year and still had 250 points over Desalle (who was 3rd). Jeffrey can miss 4 GP's and still end up with more points then Desalle and Gajser. He would be a very good back up plan for KTM to still win the MXGP title in case something happens to Cairoli. As long as Musquin and Webb remain healthy untill start of outdoors season there is no reason for KTM to switch Herlings.
dirtworldmx 3/22/2019 4:24am
3/22/2019 4:24am
Seems a bit hasty and premature to make such a decision now. I'm gonna go ahead and disregard.
motonation24 3/22/2019 4:37am
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I think they’re worried JH84 will love the lifestyle of US and the 1 day format that he won’t want to go back!
What a joke, Could of been a great series with the addition of JH84! Hopefully he can at least do some rounds ?
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Sandwarrior752 3/22/2019 4:42am
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Bummer. I would love to see him destroy southwick so badly...
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Donovan759 3/22/2019 5:22am
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I never expected him to come race the US Nat's. It would have been fun to watch though.
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Park Boys 3/22/2019 5:30am
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Joel Smets says some riculous shit. Treating Herlings like a child. Saying Herlings "Has made a lot of mistakes in the past" and "we need to...
Joel Smets says some riculous shit. Treating Herlings like a child. Saying Herlings "Has made a lot of mistakes in the past" and "we need to protect Jeffrey from himself".
Herlings has won them several world titles and has won a LOT of races for them....yet all Smets can say is that Herlings has made a lot of mistakes.
Jeffrey Herlings is a 24 year old man and multi time champion. He's not some ignorant child who needs Joel "daddy" Smets to "protect Jeffrey from Jeffrey".
What a bunch of horse shit. Those ungrateful morons at KTM are treating Herlings as if he's only a screw up without their guidance and will screw up without it. Not a grown man and multi time champion who has generated huge money for them. I can't believe Herlings would allow himself to be treated like a damn child who can't make good decisions or do well on his on. STUPID on the part of KTM to do this, and the sport in general is losing out.
Oh well..... Let him get well well and go race some races in a series he cant win. Where he takes points from Tony if he wins races..and he will win if he's riding all out. Or... Race just to help Tony. Who wants to see that? Mxgp and ama are both losing big time. Unreal.

You know I’ll probably get a thumbs down but Smets is right. Roczen left after 2011 and AC was dethroned in 2015 and going into the 2020 season barring something crazy Herlings will have one 450 championship. That is insane if you ask me and no one would have predicted that with his peer gone and AC being dethroned that Herlings in a sense would have this little of success. Herlings is turning 25 this year and has 4 titles. When he was 19 he was dominating a series in which he would have had 3 titles in a row. Since 2013 he has two titles and he very nearly lost the 2016 champinship and last year he got hurt at the perfect time and only missed one race. Everyone knows by now Herlings is his own worst enemy, Smets is just pointing it out. We should be deep in the era of Herlings yet it looks like the King is gonna grab a title... again at 33/34. KTM stupid? AC is the odds on favorite to bring KTM his 7th permire class championship, looks pretty smart on their part to have hired the best championship racer in the company’s history.
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agn5009 3/22/2019 5:32am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get along.
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Beeby 3/22/2019 5:32am
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zehn wrote:
The US is the largest single motocross market in the world
Beeby wrote:
But not as big as the rest of the world
motogrady wrote:

There has got to be a chart somewhere. Total sales of motocross bikes by country 2018.
It’s about more than bike sales. The sport won’t survive if it just appeals to people that ride and is sponsored by companies looking to push motocross related product.

It has to appeal to brands outside of Motocross. There are not more red bull drinkers in the US than the rest of the world.
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 5:45am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
agn5009 wrote:
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get...
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get along.
Last time Jeffrey disagreed with someone, the other guy ended up without a job. (SE72).
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 5:49am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
DeStouwer wrote:
Blah blah blah... What is this here? An MX-related forum or a tabloid?
I don't know about you, but I'm not on a forum to read press releases. It's not bla bla, it is a fact that Jeffrey is pissed about this decision.
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agn5009 3/22/2019 5:49am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like...
Heard from a really reliable source close to Jeffrey, that Jeffrey is very pissed and mad at Beirer (KTM) for blocking this AMA trip. Seems like the right time for other brands to contact him :-)
agn5009 wrote:
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get...
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get along.
CalimeroFan wrote:
Last time Jeffrey disagreed with someone, the other guy ended up without a job. (SE72).
There’s a 0% chance Beirer loses his job over this decision.
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 5:51am
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Don't say that that's gonna happen.
It's a small chance ofcourse, but not 0%. If Beirer really pisses of Herlings, I'm not sure whose side the owners would take.
Herlings will still win on a KTM without Beirer, but without Herlings KTM won't win alot anymore.
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agn5009 wrote:
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get...
Just because he disagrees with this decision it doesn’t mean he’s going to leave the team. Believe it or not, people can disagree and still get along.
CalimeroFan wrote:
Last time Jeffrey disagreed with someone, the other guy ended up without a job. (SE72).
agn5009 wrote:
There’s a 0% chance Beirer loses his job over this decision.
We will see, there are better people for the position.
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DeStouwer 3/22/2019 6:29am
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So all of a sudden, Beirer is the bad guy according to the butthurt girls who want a pro rider to ride where they want him to.

How about if Herlings gets his shit together and doesn't get an injury year after year? He could've led the series at this moment and already have 6 titles instead of 4.

He signed a deal to race GP's, period. Just because he broke his foot doesn't mean he has to get his way and race in the States, where 3 guys race for the same brand and have a chance of winning the championship.

If he could manage to stay on two wheels for an entire year, he wouldn't be in this situation. It's his own fault. Just like when he crashed his 85cc on Everts' charity race and not Everts' fault like so many fanboys love to claim.

Get over it.
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 7:30am
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Everts begged him to come race the 85, that's what eventually costed Everts his job. No teammanager in the world would allow a kid who is leading the world championship race a 85cc on a shitty event like that in the middle of the season. Big, BIG mistake by Everts.

And I personally don't want him to race AMA, I live in Europe I want to see him in the GP's, but as I said it is a fact that he is pissed about this decision.
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DeStouwer 3/22/2019 7:37am
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Everts begged him to come race the 85, that's what eventually costed Everts his job. No teammanager in the world would allow a kid who is...
Everts begged him to come race the 85, that's what eventually costed Everts his job. No teammanager in the world would allow a kid who is leading the world championship race a 85cc on a shitty event like that in the middle of the season. Big, BIG mistake by Everts.

And I personally don't want him to race AMA, I live in Europe I want to see him in the GP's, but as I said it is a fact that he is pissed about this decision.
And who exactly rode that minibike? Herlings or Everts? He could've taken it easy but he chose to go balls to the wall.

And to call a charity race a "shitty event" just tells what kind of a person you are.
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Everts begged him to come race the 85, that's what eventually costed Everts his job. No teammanager in the world would allow a kid who is...
Everts begged him to come race the 85, that's what eventually costed Everts his job. No teammanager in the world would allow a kid who is leading the world championship race a 85cc on a shitty event like that in the middle of the season. Big, BIG mistake by Everts.

And I personally don't want him to race AMA, I live in Europe I want to see him in the GP's, but as I said it is a fact that he is pissed about this decision.
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And who exactly rode that minibike? Herlings or Everts? He could've taken it easy but he chose to go balls to the wall. And to call...
And who exactly rode that minibike? Herlings or Everts? He could've taken it easy but he chose to go balls to the wall.

And to call a charity race a "shitty event" just tells what kind of a person you are.
It was a mistake of the two.

Also a KTM error, for allowing Herlings to go to this event
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 7:56am
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And who exactly rode that minibike? Herlings or Everts? He could've taken it easy but he chose to go balls to the wall. And to call...
And who exactly rode that minibike? Herlings or Everts? He could've taken it easy but he chose to go balls to the wall.

And to call a charity race a "shitty event" just tells what kind of a person you are.
A 19 year old wildchild and a 10 times worldchampion as teammanager, who should be the wisest? Big mistake by Everts which costed him his job. Every teammanager forbids his riders to participate in such events during the season. Let alone if your teenage rider is leading the world championship.
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CalimeroFan 3/22/2019 7:57am
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ruy wrote:
It was a mistake of the two.

Also a KTM error, for allowing Herlings to go to this event
KTM in the name of Stefan Everts asked, no begged Herlings to come...
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DeStouwer 3/22/2019 8:05am
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A 19 year old wildchild and a 10 times worldchampion as teammanager, who should be the wisest? Big mistake by Everts which costed him his job...
A 19 year old wildchild and a 10 times worldchampion as teammanager, who should be the wisest? Big mistake by Everts which costed him his job. Every teammanager forbids his riders to participate in such events during the season. Let alone if your teenage rider is leading the world championship.
Agreed.

But regarding the "USA or not"-thing, I'm just saying what a lot of fanboys refuse to or can't see. His duty lies within the GP-scene, nothing else. He calls these issues upon himself. The last injury-free season he had was 2012, so about that "wildchild", it seems he doesn't quite learn from the past.
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drt410 3/22/2019 9:50am
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A shame. Herlings racing the Nationals would likely create far more more interest worldwide than anything else KTM achieves in 2019, championships included. Isn't that the...
A shame.
Herlings racing the Nationals would likely create far more more interest worldwide than anything else KTM achieves in 2019, championships included.
Isn't that the whole point of a manufacturer going racing ?
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Exactly, the interest Herlings would generate for KTM and the series.....off the charts. AND......let me stir the pot here, the "whose better" between the US and...
Exactly, the interest Herlings would generate for KTM and the series.....off the charts.

AND......let me stir the pot here, the "whose better" between the US and Europe argument would have been settled. Whistling
No it wouldnt have lol... only if Herlings won would it have been “settled” if not it would have been excuses, probably rightfully so... its tough to go to a whole new series.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 3/22/2019 10:22am
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People getting the hump because KTM didn't do what THEY what them to do. Move on.
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A 19 year old wildchild and a 10 times worldchampion as teammanager, who should be the wisest? Big mistake by Everts which costed him his job...
A 19 year old wildchild and a 10 times worldchampion as teammanager, who should be the wisest? Big mistake by Everts which costed him his job. Every teammanager forbids his riders to participate in such events during the season. Let alone if your teenage rider is leading the world championship.
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Agreed. But regarding the "USA or not"-thing, I'm just saying what a lot of fanboys refuse to or can't see. His duty lies within the GP-scene...
Agreed.

But regarding the "USA or not"-thing, I'm just saying what a lot of fanboys refuse to or can't see. His duty lies within the GP-scene, nothing else. He calls these issues upon himself. The last injury-free season he had was 2012, so about that "wildchild", it seems he doesn't quite learn from the past.
I’m a herlings fanboy and I wish he would have been able to come here and race. However I do understand why they’re not allowing him to. I’ll still watch all races and attend High Point and Unadilla like I planned.

I guess I don’t understand why so many guys are whining and threatening to boycott or whatever. I guess people are jus whiners and spoiled?
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