Argue away the missing ingredient: Adon Baker

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BikeGuy321 2/18/2019 1:37pm
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Webb's been jumping through the whoops a lot since he switched teams too, hmmm. Riding with faster guys during the week has gotta help. I think it's gonna be harder for guys who train alone to compete with super teams like the Baker Factory around.
Kennyfreemoney 2/18/2019 3:54pm
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You can't argue with his (Baker's) results, absolutely top notch.... But...................................
But................................... Baker's Juice Whistling
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I think Aldon is a top notch trainer and certainly one of the best. However, I’m convinced he’s a better shrink. My favorite quote is “Whether you think you can or you can’t you’re probably right”

They get with Aldon and they think they can
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Crush 2/18/2019 5:10pm
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It's interesting. Web won 3 250 titles with a lot of shitty starts and come from behind rides, he has that eye of the tiger at the end of the races similar to RV and RC...

Maybe you need that bump going to 450s, maybe he'd have been pretty good on the KTM regardless, but it's gotta be a nice feeling knowing no-one is better prepared and you've been doing what the champs have done. Dungey talked about the relief of being that prepared. So mental but that's the game.

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foreman52 2/18/2019 5:23pm
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Red Bull series at 7:20.

Webb - “When I get tired I like to know how many laps I have left, cause even if I have 10 laps I know I only need to suffer for 10”
Carlos - “That was before and now we’re in shape”.
https://youtu.be/hbvty6xpq6U

Baker’s program is not for everyone, but those that want to be great and will put in the work he will make you the best.

The team deserves some credit, but I think Baker deserves the most. He’s not looking to “suffer” for laps anymore but rather charge his opponents when they are starting to feel fatigued.
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Superdave19 wrote:
All of the top guys are in 'Olympic' like shape.. I truly believe that Aldon's program is more of a mental benefit than physical.
Keep in mind most of Aldon's riders were already top performers prior to his program. Osborne might be the exception.
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malachi177 2/18/2019 6:08pm
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Aldon deserves a lot of the credit. Webb being that much lighter, that much stronger physically and mentally, that much better cardio/recovery wise etc. But most of the credit has to go to Webb himself. He never half assed Aldon's program, he's bought into it 110%. I didn't think he would, and I was very very wrong.
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GuyB 2/18/2019 6:49pm
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The missing ingredient is one l in your topic title. Wink
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GuyB wrote:
The missing ingredient is one l in your topic title. Wink
I don't think he knows you can edit titles now.

Guy-b the ads between the posts really suck too.
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deluxeman 2/18/2019 7:01pm
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Gus wrote:
I think Aldon is a top notch trainer and certainly one of the best. However, I’m convinced he’s a better shrink. My favorite quote is “Whether...
I think Aldon is a top notch trainer and certainly one of the best. However, I’m convinced he’s a better shrink. My favorite quote is “Whether you think you can or you can’t you’re probably right”

They get with Aldon and they think they can
Thats a Henry Ford quote, Aldon may use it and it is very true.
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deluxeman 2/18/2019 7:18pm
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Superdave19 wrote:
All of the top guys are in 'Olympic' like shape.. I truly believe that Aldon's program is more of a mental benefit than physical.
Monk wrote:
Keep in mind most of Aldon's riders were already top performers prior to his program. Osborne might be the exception.
You are correct, here is where that last 1-2% comes into play. Your 1% faster, 2-20% fitter and 25-50% more confident that you are prepared to battle for 20+1

It isn’t that he can take a fat old turd and make him a champ, what he can do is take an already fast guy and turn him into a dynasty for 3-5 seasons. That is where he earns his money.

You can’t teach talent, you either have it or you don’t. What Aldon does better than anyone else is he takes that talent and multiplies it with physical and mental conditioning. He makes them the absolute best they can be. Yes it takes a toll on these guys, his program sounds pretty intense and strict. Its a tough life that damn few can survive.
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RedDirtDog 2/18/2019 7:35pm
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aees wrote:
Webb lost 15lbs with Aldon and is now finally fit. Makes Swanies program look like a joke.
He was trying to gain bulk/muscle to handle the bigger yamaha, he wasnt that heavy or lacked fitness in 250s on swanies program
Derek Harris 2/18/2019 7:48pm
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He was also probably the best rider to come out of the 250 class since Roczen/Tomac in 2014. That's not to say Aldon doesn't deserve a...
He was also probably the best rider to come out of the 250 class since Roczen/Tomac in 2014. That's not to say Aldon doesn't deserve a chunk of the credit to Webb's success but it's funny how many people forget how bad ass he was on the 250 Yamaha in 2016, or most of his 250 career for that matter.
So web would have won without aldon is what you are saying?

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kaptkaos 2/18/2019 8:03pm
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Take Aldon out of the picture, like completely out of the picture as in he doesnt train any single rider. Then we have a free for all and any rider who has a decent fitness plan can win on any given night. So yes, in the world we live in you must train with Aldon or as close to it as possible in order to win a title. When you look around the top 15 in the 450, and you remove the Baker Boys, its anybodys guess who will win. Usually Tomac, but he seems to have other non-fitness related issues at the moment. For whatever reason, Musquin doesnt look like hes going to get a 450 title, and we all know what happened with Tickle so its not 100%, but Aldon knows that, he needs people in his camp for his #1 to ride with. Tickle, Weimer, etc.
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His rider has won every year since 2011, and 13 of the last 18. Just sayin.
But outdoors is the true test of fitness and conditioning. And he’s won 2 with villo and 1 with dungey in last 10 years so 30%. The one with James in 08 so 4 since Ricky. Ricky retired 13 years ago so 30%?
GeorgiePorgie 2/18/2019 8:09pm
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Roczen left baker and won a championship. But....can’t discount the baker program. He breeds championships as well. some personalities work. Some don’t.
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DonM 2/18/2019 8:12pm
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TriRacer27 wrote:
His rider has won every year since 2011, and 13 of the last 18. Just sayin.
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But outdoors is the true test of fitness and conditioning. And he’s won 2 with villo and 1 with dungey in last 10 years so 30%...
But outdoors is the true test of fitness and conditioning. And he’s won 2 with villo and 1 with dungey in last 10 years so 30%. The one with James in 08 so 4 since Ricky. Ricky retired 13 years ago so 30%?
I believe Kenny was with him when he won his first one....and of course Zach has won also...but why count those lesser 250 titles...It's laughable that people have to try and find holes where there aren't any...Don't forget the Patriots are just lucky too...
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TriRacer27 wrote:
His rider has won every year since 2011, and 13 of the last 18. Just sayin.
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But outdoors is the true test of fitness and conditioning. And he’s won 2 with villo and 1 with dungey in last 10 years so 30%...
But outdoors is the true test of fitness and conditioning. And he’s won 2 with villo and 1 with dungey in last 10 years so 30%. The one with James in 08 so 4 since Ricky. Ricky retired 13 years ago so 30%?
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I believe Kenny was with him when he won his first one....and of course Zach has won also...but why count those lesser 250 titles...It's laughable that...
I believe Kenny was with him when he won his first one....and of course Zach has won also...but why count those lesser 250 titles...It's laughable that people have to try and find holes where there aren't any...Don't forget the Patriots are just lucky too...
You might be right about Kenny. No one mentioned “luck” or shooting holes. If you want to go through 250 titles in last 10 years, I think the success rate drops significantly.
Osbourne and Baggett (2012)??

Maybe Baker only cares about 450 sx as that’s where the money is.

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Mxpilot20 2/18/2019 8:52pm
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Seems like nearly every rider that go's there ends up with a short career or burnt out though.

Aldon gets the job done though.
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Chains 2/18/2019 8:59pm
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You guys are over thinking this. I think its all about the fact they are racing each other all week long. This is huge.
Derek Harris 2/18/2019 9:03pm
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Roczen left baker and won a championship. But....can’t discount the baker program. He breeds championships as well. some personalities work. Some don’t.
Aldon has something others CANT ever have.

Dungey was with Beams the year before aldon - and left to go to aldon.

I promise you beams had dungey in just as good of shape if not better because both of them were chasing a benchmark they set of what they THOUGHT was enough but didnt' know (and likely over estimated the benchmark)

What aldon has is a HISTORY of success - that gives him respect and credibility and AUTHORITY to tell a rider who thinks his shit doesn't stink - that his shit DOES stink.
He gave dungey peace of mind that he was doing enough - and mentored him off the track to get his life right (probably aldons biggest asset). I'd bet dungey got MORE rest with aldon - and came in MORE fresh - helpful to him.

Most trainers have to walk around this concept on eggshells
Don't hurt the riders feelings or confidence
Don't tell a rider the truth
Dont PUSH the rider mentally
Dont Challenge the rider mentally to see what he is made of even IF he is doing well so you find and then fix his weaknesses.

Aldon talks and they listen because of his history - he can also tell a rider to F off - he is at a point they NEED him and not the other way around - his waiting list is likely large

Most trainers NEED the rider - bad position to be in to challenge a guy to be his best.
Some of the BEST coaches of all time are HARD to get along with.
But years later provide the biggest and best influence on people.
The "bro" coaches who "get along" are rarely successful to the absolute top.


If another trainer gets this level of authority - he will have to consistently beat aldon for the next 5-6 years.
I don't see that happening.

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drt410 2/18/2019 9:17pm
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I agree with people saying that he only takes top guys and makes them champ... but thats whos going to be champion anyways. The question always is which top guy? Tomac, Anderson, Kenny, Musquin, Webb are all top guys. There can only be 1 winner tho and its usually one of Aldons boys. Ricky said Aldon never used to let guys train together, thats recent when Dungey was already there. Aldon said he wanted them separated, but once they tried it he found out it can work too... with the right guys.

He said the best it worked was when they knew their place when Dungey was there. Once he left it got a little crazy for obvious reason JA and MM were fighting to now be the guy and had to be separated. But with Ricky, James, RV and starting out with Dungey he never had the guys racing during the week like he does now. So that helps but he already had RC, JS7, RV2 win championships and 1 Dungey championship before that ever was a thing.
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aees 2/18/2019 9:28pm
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aees wrote:
Webb lost 15lbs with Aldon and is now finally fit. Makes Swanies program look like a joke.
RedDirtDog wrote:
He was trying to gain bulk/muscle to handle the bigger yamaha, he wasnt that heavy or lacked fitness in 250s on swanies program
250 requires much less of a rider. Webb said it himself, he thought he was in shape when he got to Aldon, but was not close.

Allowing a rider to ride 75% and being 3 second off per lap on a sx practice track, is just nuts if you ask me. You practice as you race, because you race as you practice.
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gnarwhip 2/18/2019 9:46pm
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Things I’ve taken away involving Aldon; the main part of his program is nutrition. I remember on Stew’s reality show, Aldon would make all these green shakes for him, and Stew was like “eww yucky I’m not drinking that”, and Aldon was like “are you kidding me?”. It was ridiculous. I also remember people talking on social media about how Aldon would “starve” his riders and Kenny would eat nothing but egg whites for breakfast. Then on RC’s episode of cribs how his “favorite meal” was a grilled chicken breast and steamed vegetables. I can attest the hardest part of any program is staying on a strict diet, it is extremely hard.

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