Most talented rider ever?

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2/5/2019 2:15am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2019 2:24am
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Ken Roczen has to be up there. It just looks so easy for him and from a young age he's always been way ahead of his...
Ken Roczen has to be up there. It just looks so easy for him and from a young age he's always been way ahead of his peers. Herlings is talanted af too ofc but I see him more as a work product similiar to Ricky, while guys like Stewart and Roczen just has had it a bit easier reaching their levels
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I have always thought Roczen was the closest thing to Stewart. Roczen even throws SX races and titles away faster than JS7 did and gets hurt...
I have always thought Roczen was the closest thing to Stewart. Roczen even throws SX races and titles away faster than JS7 did and gets hurt in the prime of his career like JS7. That aside when he is on nobody rides like that. If you have NBC gold go watch when Roczen pulls the pin on Dungey at Glen Helen Moto 1 2016. To do what he did to Dungey on that track which was arguably the most over the top MX track ever was nuts. Late in the race he passes Ryan by going over 3 seconds a lap faster and the next lap he is nearly 5 seconds a lap faster than Ryan Dungey late in a race I.E where Dungey makes his money. IMO the best someone has ever looked on a dirtbike outdoors is when they show him dispatch Dungey. Herlings defeat by AC in 2017 turned him into what he is by training his ass off and was arguably the best thing to happen to him. I agree with Herlings being a damn hard worker which brought him to the next level. All of the top guys in the AMA/GPs have insane amounts of talent to begin with compared to us mortals.
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So....post a link! Dang.
You need to have NBC sports gold. Then you can watch all the replays from 15 or 16 on. The 13 and 14 races are all on the lucas oil site for free I believe.
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If you're talking pure "talent", and not racing, then it's Pastrana. Not even close....
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In Racing and putting in laps on a motocross track or supercross track its James Stewart. But Travis is The most talented on a Dirtbike in...
In Racing and putting in laps on a motocross track or supercross track its James Stewart.

But Travis is The most talented on a Dirtbike in a totally different way. He will do a Backflip over jumps that other pro riders are scared to just jump.
A lot of things his mind thinks of to try are just unfathomable to others, he is really something special
They both are really.
It hard to argue one is better than the other, they just went a little different directions.
I totally agree with this. When I posted my reply, I specifically had "most talented RIDER" in mind, not MX rider, SX racer, ect in mind. I think it is disingenuous to only think of current MX/SX riders in the general term "most talented rider" to sling a leg over a motorcycle. With that being said:

If I'm paying money to watch someone race a dirt bike, it's Ricky Carmichael.

If I'm paying money to watch someone just play ride, it's Travis Pastrana.

If I'm paying money to watch someone cut insanely fast laps on MX/SX track, it's James Stewart.

However, the talents of people like Larry Roeseler, Chris Carr, Geoff Aaron, and Evil Knievel have to be respected for the things they were able to do on a motorcycle.
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Marc Marquez, changed the way a MotoGP bike gets ridden. Is fast at every discipline, RR, Flat track, MX..........

He made Rossi change his riding style. The kid is bonkers on a bike. Started off as a Moto kid.

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Pastrana or bayle talent. Rc best racer ever.
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2/5/2019 10:56am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2019 11:04am
Besides the obvious mentions. Ryan Mills. I’ve seen RC, Travis, bubba, Alessi since mini racing days and there a given. Extremely talented. But Ryan was on that level too. He turned expert in NY at 12 or 13 at the oldest. He was smoking Carsten and Carlo coen and all the local guys right off the bat who qualified for nationals. In 2002 he won both 125A and schoolboy at LL in the same year.... look thru the books and see who else has done that...Bubba and maybe one or two more I think but that’s it. And Ryan did it while partying and chasing girls that whole week.... I know cause I was with him along with all the other NY knucklehead kids lol. Hence the reason Ryan never did more than he did, he had too many other negative distractions and eventually lost his way
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2/5/2019 11:18am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2019 11:27am
It's a bit stupid to choose a single guy. Each era has his super talent. This is more true in the past because in this era, they are all very talented imo.

I'll take the example of Everts, Everts was inspired by David Bailey. How many riders of this era were inspired by Stewart ? A lot.

When I watch Tomac take a corner standing up on the pegs, I see Everts.

I would make the difference between a rider who revolutionizes/Innovate something and riders who have the talent to reproduce easily what they can see (mimicry).

JMB was an innovator, JMC was as well, Everts ditto, RC ditto (Innovator with the physics aspect) and obv Stewart.

This generation has received a gift of 30 years of evolution. This is more true with the easy access of videos ect.








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Besides the obvious mentions. Ryan Mills. I’ve seen RC, Travis, bubba, Alessi since mini racing days and there a given. Extremely talented. But Ryan was on...
Besides the obvious mentions. Ryan Mills. I’ve seen RC, Travis, bubba, Alessi since mini racing days and there a given. Extremely talented. But Ryan was on that level too. He turned expert in NY at 12 or 13 at the oldest. He was smoking Carsten and Carlo coen and all the local guys right off the bat who qualified for nationals. In 2002 he won both 125A and schoolboy at LL in the same year.... look thru the books and see who else has done that...Bubba and maybe one or two more I think but that’s it. And Ryan did it while partying and chasing girls that whole week.... I know cause I was with him along with all the other NY knucklehead kids lol. Hence the reason Ryan never did more than he did, he had too many other negative distractions and eventually lost his way
Is he in prison now? Or out.
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Besides the obvious previously stated (JS259 & TP199), Colton Haaker is a gnarly dude, very talented




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2/5/2019 11:32am
Axell Hodges is super talented but just talent it's not enough.
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2/5/2019 12:05pm
I would add Damon Bradshaw to the list as well. I’m Gibson, too.
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TP is not very talented he just busts his ass to get where he is. Not uch of a stronger mindset than TP.
Yea, your right .. travis pastrana has no talent ?‍♂️
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Marc Marquez, changed the way a MotoGP bike gets ridden. Is fast at every discipline, RR, Flat track, MX.......... He made Rossi change his riding style...
Marc Marquez, changed the way a MotoGP bike gets ridden. Is fast at every discipline, RR, Flat track, MX..........

He made Rossi change his riding style. The kid is bonkers on a bike. Started off as a Moto kid.


Bayle has won the best riders of Supermotard, as in this video, the best race of the time, against the best rider of the time, Chambon, just after leaving Motocross in 92 and 94 also won this race. In the 93, he starts first, falls in the first corner, stays last and reaches Chambon N1, when there are still four laps to go.
In road races he was also at the highest level competing in 250 and 500, he did not fight for titles, but he did get a pole in a GP of 500
He has also competed in Trial in France, being well classified and in Enduro as well.
He also competed in Rally cars in France
In MX and SX he won everything important individually and in some MXDN he did very well, winning his category.
The whoops passed them as no one was capable, it was his strong point, but then he had technique for everything, one of his specialties was to brake with the rear brake in the banked curves, while accelerating, with which he hit the bike to the ground , etc was very good, even today the best pilots can watch videos of him and learn.

Marquez win some flat track in Barcelona, in MX I think he made one round os spanish national race and results about 10 position and one enduro race and riding good, but, all this is in the same time when he compite in MotoGP

Prado also ride very well in Trial, is his other moto passión, he won one local race, and when he have 10 years try one time in moto road with Sete Gibernau, but, he prefer stay riding MX.
It's still early for to says if it's the most talented MX rider,
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2/5/2019 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/5/2019 12:59pm
Prado has photos before reaching the 250cc, of big jumps, that sometimes in its category only towards him, when he saw that he did not reach the reception, he threw the bike forward, he put the bike almost vertical, he was hanging with his feet in the air, and when he arrived at the reception he placed it well
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And in the GP Agueda 2017 only he made this jump like that, nobody from MX2, nobody from MXGP.
See how the falger was made backwards when he sees it coming. And the exclamation of the public.
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But really JS7 is it not obvious? Were talking most talented... Dont take my word for it RC said it many times. I think RCs opinion matters much more than all of ours combined because he knows what it takes to become the GOAT. We dont even know what winning 1 sx/national takes. I trust RC. His words and my eyes tell me hes right.
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psg119 wrote:
I'd say Stewart but I think Baggett is highly underrated in this subject. [img]https://www.lebigusa.com/wp-content/gallery/12_02_hangtown_250/12_m_12_45_10761.jpg[/img]
I'd say Stewart but I think Baggett is highly underrated in this subject.
HusqFan3 wrote:
As in Blake Bagget? The most talented rider in the history of the sport? He’s no where near being even the most talented active rider today...
psg119 wrote:
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I...
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I think that just puts your post to rest right there. Also I said JS7 was the most talented. I just was stating Baggett was underrated, which you are proving correct.
Haha. I think you may want to focus on improving your reading comprehension skills. The topic wasn’t who do you feel is underrated it was who do you believe is the most talented rider in the history of the sport to which you replied “I’d say stew BUT i think Bagget is highly underrated in this subject”. So congrats on “winning” a straw man argument.

Bagget having 1 win in 64 career starts in premier class (i.e. he’s won a whopping 1.5% of his SX starts and has 1 more career win than myself) puts your asinine argument to rest, not mine.

If you want to start a topic naming the current top 5 or 6 riders in US, i’ll concede BB4 belongs in the discussion. Most talented rider in the history of the sport? GTFO.
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Axell Hodges is super talented but just talent it's not enough.
Ask eric thomas...you dont have to be talented. You just have to be willing to grind.

Reminds me of someone like rc or dungey

Talent doesnt mean squat if you dont make something happen with it.

Imo stewart was the most talented and he got far, but not as far as he could have.
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I feel Jeff Ward should be mentioned the guy is still ripping today
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HusqFan3 wrote:
As in Blake Bagget? The most talented rider in the history of the sport? He’s no where near being even the most talented active rider today...
psg119 wrote:
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I...
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I think that just puts your post to rest right there. Also I said JS7 was the most talented. I just was stating Baggett was underrated, which you are proving correct.
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Haha. I think you may want to focus on improving your reading comprehension skills. The topic wasn’t who do you feel is underrated it was who...
Haha. I think you may want to focus on improving your reading comprehension skills. The topic wasn’t who do you feel is underrated it was who do you believe is the most talented rider in the history of the sport to which you replied “I’d say stew BUT i think Bagget is highly underrated in this subject”. So congrats on “winning” a straw man argument.

Bagget having 1 win in 64 career starts in premier class (i.e. he’s won a whopping 1.5% of his SX starts and has 1 more career win than myself) puts your asinine argument to rest, not mine.

If you want to start a topic naming the current top 5 or 6 riders in US, i’ll concede BB4 belongs in the discussion. Most talented rider in the history of the sport? GTFO.
I think you should watch him more. He is very talented on a motorcycle. You're clearly just arguing to argue. Why you decided to even respond to me, wtf knows? He is more talented than just being "top 5 or 6 riders in the US" to me. Does he produce the results? Definitely not consistently. But a lot of "talented" riders don't/didn't produce at all times. Doesn't mean he's not naturally able to do what others ahead of him can't on the bike (and does so often). So I think my reading comprehension is perfectly fine, professor. You can pick many of the riders people are saying on here and say the same argument, but those riders impressed them in a way that others didn't. And that doesn't mean you have to. It's their opinion not yours. Hopefully there's something much more important in your life to get worked up over than this. So congrats on "winning" at being a douche. I wasn't looking to nor am I going to argue. It was merely my opinion. Sorry you got so hyped up over it. Now go troll someone else please.
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Lots of votes for Travis here.

He’d probably vote windham or Reynard.
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2/5/2019 5:08pm
WCRider wrote:
Axell Hodges is super talented but just talent it's not enough.
mx 219 wrote:
Ask eric thomas...you dont have to be talented. You just have to be willing to grind. Reminds me of someone like rc or dungey Talent doesnt...
Ask eric thomas...you dont have to be talented. You just have to be willing to grind.

Reminds me of someone like rc or dungey

Talent doesnt mean squat if you dont make something happen with it.

Imo stewart was the most talented and he got far, but not as far as he could have.
Please don't put Axell Hodges in the same conversation as David Bailey, Jean Michel Bayle, RC, Bubba, TP199, etc.

He's gnarly, no doubt, but in the list of most talented people in the history of motorcycle racing I don't think he belongs in that conversation.
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2/5/2019 5:14pm
Very difficult question to answer. Anyone that is old enough to legitimately remember MC in supercross, he gets my vote indoors. Outdoors, it's hard to argue RC. The problem with questions like these is the progression of the sport and equipment at the time. That said, I'd lay my D on the line to defend MC and RC any day.
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psg119 wrote:
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I...
Is there another Baggett in the picture I'm not seeing? He hits lines others wont consistently and just had a come from behind win so I think that just puts your post to rest right there. Also I said JS7 was the most talented. I just was stating Baggett was underrated, which you are proving correct.
HusqFan3 wrote:
Haha. I think you may want to focus on improving your reading comprehension skills. The topic wasn’t who do you feel is underrated it was who...
Haha. I think you may want to focus on improving your reading comprehension skills. The topic wasn’t who do you feel is underrated it was who do you believe is the most talented rider in the history of the sport to which you replied “I’d say stew BUT i think Bagget is highly underrated in this subject”. So congrats on “winning” a straw man argument.

Bagget having 1 win in 64 career starts in premier class (i.e. he’s won a whopping 1.5% of his SX starts and has 1 more career win than myself) puts your asinine argument to rest, not mine.

If you want to start a topic naming the current top 5 or 6 riders in US, i’ll concede BB4 belongs in the discussion. Most talented rider in the history of the sport? GTFO.
psg119 wrote:
I think you should watch him more. He is very talented on a motorcycle. You're clearly just arguing to argue. Why you decided to even respond...
I think you should watch him more. He is very talented on a motorcycle. You're clearly just arguing to argue. Why you decided to even respond to me, wtf knows? He is more talented than just being "top 5 or 6 riders in the US" to me. Does he produce the results? Definitely not consistently. But a lot of "talented" riders don't/didn't produce at all times. Doesn't mean he's not naturally able to do what others ahead of him can't on the bike (and does so often). So I think my reading comprehension is perfectly fine, professor. You can pick many of the riders people are saying on here and say the same argument, but those riders impressed them in a way that others didn't. And that doesn't mean you have to. It's their opinion not yours. Hopefully there's something much more important in your life to get worked up over than this. So congrats on "winning" at being a douche. I wasn't looking to nor am I going to argue. It was merely my opinion. Sorry you got so hyped up over it. Now go troll someone else please.
“An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.“

Right, and I’m the troll...

My bad, Bagget is the most talented rider in the history of our planet. He just doesn’t find himself on the podium regularly against current competitorn in US(let alone historical or global) because he slacks off and doesn’t apply himself. It’s not like he moved to Florida and dropped $5M of his life savings to build out his own MX/SX track and training center on or anything. If only he applied himself he’d prob have more wins than RC by now

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