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1/3/2019 10:13am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2019 10:24am
Bike Rat wrote:
That new canyon 29 e bike looks bad ass and retails in the 3 k range. I’ll never waste my money on carbon fiber again
cr12500 wrote:
Is that available in the US yet?
Europe only, I think. The Commencal Meta Power 29 is here, starting at $3800. That’s the one that has my attention. The Essential build looks like a good value without any significant compromises at $4800. The RM Instinct looks good too but it’s expensive and has a few subpar components that could use upgrading, by comparison.
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Bike Rat wrote:
That new canyon 29 e bike looks bad ass and retails in the 3 k range. I’ll never waste my money on carbon fiber again
Is this the one?
https://www.canyon.com/en/e-bike/neuron-on/2019/neuron-on-5-0.html

~$3,800 American

I just wonder if a 4-5K e-bike won't ride very well on rough terrain with the lesser expensive components.

I imagine a 5K conventional mountain bike would offer very plush suspension and such.

Then again, if willing to spend 5K on an e-bike, why not bump that up to 7 and get the upgraded one?

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1/3/2019 10:40am
Bry145 wrote:
Is this the one? https://www.canyon.com/en/e-bike/neuron-on/2019/neuron-on-5-0.html ~$3,800 American I just wonder if a 4-5K e-bike won't ride very well on rough terrain with the lesser expensive components...
Is this the one?
https://www.canyon.com/en/e-bike/neuron-on/2019/neuron-on-5-0.html

~$3,800 American

I just wonder if a 4-5K e-bike won't ride very well on rough terrain with the lesser expensive components.

I imagine a 5K conventional mountain bike would offer very plush suspension and such.

Then again, if willing to spend 5K on an e-bike, why not bump that up to 7 and get the upgraded one?

That is a lower grade build. Depending on your riding, you would eventually want to replace that fork. You could go with a Rockshox Yari to keep cost down and over time upgrade the internals. Same could be said for your the entire drive train. Just like MX, if you do not have your sag and rebound setup correctly your suspension will not feel right.

Budgets are different for everyone, but I would rather spend more and know I will not have to upgrade along the way. $5k is a lot of money to be spending and not enjoy what you have.
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I think the angle everyone is missing here is the type of riding one wants to do. If one is riding in actual mountains and/or wants to do long 4-6 hour rides, the e-bike may be a better choice.

My local trails in Pittsburgh (which I just hit, thank you God for being laid off and for global warming) are rolling hills and a few short steep climbs. For doing an hour loop around the local nature park, an e-bike may be overkill.

If one like downhill riding and doesn't want to shuttle or there is no lift, an e-bike may make perfect sense.

Also, if one lives relatively close to work, an e-bike could be used to commute and save money and wear and tear on a vehicle.

If one is physically challenged, they may allow more access to the sport.

More people buying them should lower pricing via economy of scale.

However, one could argue that local motocross was ruined by the increase in popularity of the sport in the late 90s/early 2000s. 30+ classes, $100 in fees, waiting all day for motos, ect. I hope the same doesn't happen to mountain biking. The good news is many young people are too busy on devices and so badly out of shape than even an e-bike wouldn't entice them to get off the couch. That would leave the trails clear for the rest of us.

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1/3/2019 1:10pm
Bry145 wrote:
Is this the one? https://www.canyon.com/en/e-bike/neuron-on/2019/neuron-on-5-0.html ~$3,800 American I just wonder if a 4-5K e-bike won't ride very well on rough terrain with the lesser expensive components...
Is this the one?
https://www.canyon.com/en/e-bike/neuron-on/2019/neuron-on-5-0.html

~$3,800 American

I just wonder if a 4-5K e-bike won't ride very well on rough terrain with the lesser expensive components.

I imagine a 5K conventional mountain bike would offer very plush suspension and such.

Then again, if willing to spend 5K on an e-bike, why not bump that up to 7 and get the upgraded one?

Panic_Rev wrote:
That is a lower grade build. Depending on your riding, you would eventually want to replace that fork. You could go with a Rockshox Yari to...
That is a lower grade build. Depending on your riding, you would eventually want to replace that fork. You could go with a Rockshox Yari to keep cost down and over time upgrade the internals. Same could be said for your the entire drive train. Just like MX, if you do not have your sag and rebound setup correctly your suspension will not feel right.

Budgets are different for everyone, but I would rather spend more and know I will not have to upgrade along the way. $5k is a lot of money to be spending and not enjoy what you have.
Yes, here in Colorado it’s easy to find aRS lyrik, or fox fork for a great deal.
I live near push industry’s so thinking of upgrading my lyric to a spring internal.
The largest county in Colorado just gave the green light to EBikes on all trails. Way to go Jefferson County!
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Bry145 wrote:
I think the angle everyone is missing here is the type of riding one wants to do. If one is riding in actual mountains and/or wants...
I think the angle everyone is missing here is the type of riding one wants to do. If one is riding in actual mountains and/or wants to do long 4-6 hour rides, the e-bike may be a better choice.

My local trails in Pittsburgh (which I just hit, thank you God for being laid off and for global warming) are rolling hills and a few short steep climbs. For doing an hour loop around the local nature park, an e-bike may be overkill.

If one like downhill riding and doesn't want to shuttle or there is no lift, an e-bike may make perfect sense.

Also, if one lives relatively close to work, an e-bike could be used to commute and save money and wear and tear on a vehicle.

If one is physically challenged, they may allow more access to the sport.

More people buying them should lower pricing via economy of scale.

However, one could argue that local motocross was ruined by the increase in popularity of the sport in the late 90s/early 2000s. 30+ classes, $100 in fees, waiting all day for motos, ect. I hope the same doesn't happen to mountain biking. The good news is many young people are too busy on devices and so badly out of shape than even an e-bike wouldn't entice them to get off the couch. That would leave the trails clear for the rest of us.

Ive heard a lot of reasons why the sport was ruined
But it getting super popular in the 90's is a new one i think.
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Tarz483 wrote:
Ive heard a lot of reasons why the sport was ruined
But it getting super popular in the 90's is a new one i think.
From an economic perspective one could argue that the newfound popularity enabled promoters to jack up entry fees and the OEMs to push expensive four-strokes.

Then the bubble went pop, local racing entries went off a cliff, and the OEMs are giving away 450s to get them off the dealer floors.

I don't want to stir up a hornets' nest. This is supposted to be about e-bikes.









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^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It...
^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It is lighter though. I rode one before buying my Kenevo. I work in the mtb industry and was able to get this at cost. After demo'ing multiple different e-bikes I was hooked. I have only ridden the normal bike once since getting it. It's a blast. I ride way more, and have more fun when I do. There's nothing like popping off stuff up hill and braking into uphill corners. And of course, riding 3x the distance in the same amount of time and effort. I get a better upper body work out, and it's gotten me into better shape because I ride more. She weighs 50lbs vs my 28lb carbon Enduro, which actually cost more. If you're in the market for an MTB, definitely go assist. It's the most fun I've had with a two wheeler in a long time.

Would a base Kenevo be best for all around riding on a ~5K budget?

Spending 8K is a little too much for my budget.
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1/4/2019 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 1/4/2019 2:11pm
milliebays wrote:
Intense Tazer. $7500. Shimano drive. Japanese refinement. If youre gonna go to the dark side, support the little guys. The owner jeff steber is moto too.
Yeah, get the one with no spare parts in five years that's the better choice. Grow out a beard and get a pompadour haircut too, they'll make you faster.
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It looks like a nice bike, but $7,500 is more than I would want to spend.

~5K is my ceiling at my budget.

I'd rather spend less and have it paid for sooner.

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1/4/2019 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 1/4/2019 3:46pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTyxMD5-P4
(Designer interview from 4:45 onward)

I don't think I could ever buy an intense after watching this feauture, where they talk about their new 29er downhill bike. They basically say the Aluminum prototype bike was crap, but it got magically better once they made a carbon version.
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTyxMD5-P4 (Designer interview from 4:45 onward) I don't think I could ever buy an intense after watching this feauture, where they talk about their new 29er...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTyxMD5-P4
(Designer interview from 4:45 onward)

I don't think I could ever buy an intense after watching this feauture, where they talk about their new 29er downhill bike. They basically say the Aluminum prototype bike was crap, but it got magically better once they made a carbon version.
Youre missing out
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1/4/2019 7:33pm Edited Date/Time 1/4/2019 7:36pm
I can't believe no one one has mentioned converting an existing bike with a Bafang BBSHD mid drive e-bike kit. I stumbled upon E-bikes on this forum, did someone research and decided I had to try it. I ride a fat bike in the winter on the trails here in MN and honestly it's just wasn't that fun because I could rarely go as fast as I want.

Since I installed this kit I can't wipe the smile off my face. It is an absolute blast now riding in the winter. I can't believe how well the kit works and is way more powerful if you want it than those expensive E-bikes and you have way more customization. I did this for about $1300 by the way. I still get a a great workout but I cover way more ground with an exponentially higher fun factor. I find it hard to believe anyone that is in to moto would not enjoy this immensely.

I don't know plan on converting my Summer bike to an e-bike, but man is it tempting now...

Here's some pics. I've cleaned up the cabling and wiring since then. I just couldn't wait to get this thing out.




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1/4/2019 8:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/4/2019 8:36pm
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I can't believe no one one has mentioned converting an existing bike with a Bafang BBSHD mid drive e-bike kit. I stumbled upon E-bikes on this...
I can't believe no one one has mentioned converting an existing bike with a Bafang BBSHD mid drive e-bike kit. I stumbled upon E-bikes on this forum, did someone research and decided I had to try it. I ride a fat bike in the winter on the trails here in MN and honestly it's just wasn't that fun because I could rarely go as fast as I want.

Since I installed this kit I can't wipe the smile off my face. It is an absolute blast now riding in the winter. I can't believe how well the kit works and is way more powerful if you want it than those expensive E-bikes and you have way more customization. I did this for about $1300 by the way. I still get a a great workout but I cover way more ground with an exponentially higher fun factor. I find it hard to believe anyone that is in to moto would not enjoy this immensely.

I don't know plan on converting my Summer bike to an e-bike, but man is it tempting now...

Here's some pics. I've cleaned up the cabling and wiring since then. I just couldn't wait to get this thing out.




Nice work!

I'd still likely keep the pedal bike and throw down the ~5K for a budget e-bike.

I'd like to keep the pedal bike as a pedal bike just in case a friend or hopefully a hot female wanted to go for a ride. Having 2 good mountain bikes would be nice.

I have a $1,000 hardtail but that thing is a deathtrap!

I think the base Levo is my best bet. It could be a very good dollar to grin ratio.

It's a little muddy in spots in Pittsburgh, but I've gotten lots of riding in. I try to get out before the frost melts!


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Pros and cons to everything right? I love the idea of more people getting out outside, exploring, and being active. I hate the idea of crowded gnarly trails and the sporting version of a tourist on the good trails close to town.

Reminds me of Breckenridge when they put the Imperial lift in. All the hike to terrain just became accessible to dipshits on spring break. When I was that dipshit, I loved it. When I lived there, I hated it.

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Admittedly a bike snob, I’d rather drive a barbie jeep than an e bike, but, chondromalacia in both knees now so I’ve got no choice
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Pros and cons to everything right? I love the idea of more people getting out outside, exploring, and being active. I hate the idea of crowded...
Pros and cons to everything right? I love the idea of more people getting out outside, exploring, and being active. I hate the idea of crowded gnarly trails and the sporting version of a tourist on the good trails close to town.

Reminds me of Breckenridge when they put the Imperial lift in. All the hike to terrain just became accessible to dipshits on spring break. When I was that dipshit, I loved it. When I lived there, I hated it.

I think many people on e-bikes will be existing riders who switched bikes. I think this may be like all the two-stroke riders who swiched to four-strokes.

People who enjoy mountain biking may enjoy it more with a little e-boost. This is a dangerous and demanding activity, and many will be turned off by that. As a society, I believe we have become less physically active, and many who are just want to go to gyms and post selfies.

I don't see a bunch of non-outdoorsy people jumping off the couch or their devices and jumping on e-bikes and thus cluttering the trails. I live in an area with aging demographics, so it may be much different here.

I think e-bike sales will cannablize regular pedal bike sales. I don't see a wholesale increase in participation with the new technology.

Do any MTB industry insiders have any data on this?

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Pros and cons to everything right? I love the idea of more people getting out outside, exploring, and being active. I hate the idea of crowded...
Pros and cons to everything right? I love the idea of more people getting out outside, exploring, and being active. I hate the idea of crowded gnarly trails and the sporting version of a tourist on the good trails close to town.

Reminds me of Breckenridge when they put the Imperial lift in. All the hike to terrain just became accessible to dipshits on spring break. When I was that dipshit, I loved it. When I lived there, I hated it.

Bry145 wrote:
I think many people on e-bikes will be existing riders who switched bikes. I think this may be like all the two-stroke riders who swiched to...
I think many people on e-bikes will be existing riders who switched bikes. I think this may be like all the two-stroke riders who swiched to four-strokes.

People who enjoy mountain biking may enjoy it more with a little e-boost. This is a dangerous and demanding activity, and many will be turned off by that. As a society, I believe we have become less physically active, and many who are just want to go to gyms and post selfies.

I don't see a bunch of non-outdoorsy people jumping off the couch or their devices and jumping on e-bikes and thus cluttering the trails. I live in an area with aging demographics, so it may be much different here.

I think e-bike sales will cannablize regular pedal bike sales. I don't see a wholesale increase in participation with the new technology.

Do any MTB industry insiders have any data on this?

Great insight and I’d have to agree that this is largely gonna be true. So then the extra volume will mostly come from current riders retiring later or previous riders coming out of retirement. I’m cool with that.
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Mx746 wrote:
Admittedly a bike snob, I’d rather drive a barbie jeep than an e bike, but, chondromalacia in both knees now so I’ve got no choice
There is nothing wrong with a little e-boost, as long as the riders are not running other bikers and runners off trails and such.

Riding a regular mountain bike is tough work, especially as people age and many people being forced to work longer hours and such to stay afloat financially.

I think the worry should be e-mountain bikes taking people away from moto as it can be more accessable and less demanding finacially and timewise. It could be 10% of the cost of moto, but 50% as fun. Those numbers could make more and more park the YZF and hop on a Levo.



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Great insight and I’d have to agree that this is largely gonna be true. So then the extra volume will mostly come from current riders retiring...
Great insight and I’d have to agree that this is largely gonna be true. So then the extra volume will mostly come from current riders retiring later or previous riders coming out of retirement. I’m cool with that.
In Weigandt's "Why the decline in local moto" web article from a few years back, he said that MTB was on the up and up. So there must be some increase in participation. There seems to be momentum in that industry. Many bike companies seem to be doing well.

That said, I don't see participation exponentially increasing like motocross did in the late 90s and early 2000s.

It would be nice to see some data.

1/5/2019 7:58am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2019 8:00am
I've got a Focus Jam2 for sale, all of the components, wheels, everything is brand new-never seen dirt, the frame/motor has about 150 miles on it (you can see in the head unit the exact hours, ill look...). Why new parts? I got this bike 6 months ago, knowing i'd sell it (used it to get back on the bike from injury), so I put parts from another bike on it. This bike has the extra TEC pack as well, meaning extra battery you can click on. So run the stock battery for most of your rides, or click on the extra when you are going for a long mission.

Also throwing in a spare 275 plus rear wheel, its 29er front and rear, but I used that fatty rear for a nice riding feel (like moto).

email me if interested, im in so cal. Bike has been maintained and built by a former GOAT of bicycle mechanics.

The bike retails for $5k, $5600 with the TEC pack, im selling it all for 4k, with the spare rear wheel AND 2 custom rockshox shocks that were built for this bike (a coil over and an air, both top of the line custom tuned) and a RockSHox reverb-I will leave that on the bike, and give you the Focus post as a spare.

stiksandstones AT gmail DOT com
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What is more fun and value for the money?

A base e-bike, such as a Turbo Levo, or a botique carbon fiber pedal bike like the Evil Calling? My current ride is a Process 134.

Both are roughly 5K. That is my ceiling regarding cost.

I'm more of a hammer for an hour (maybe 2) and call it good. I'd be riding in the rolling hills and mellow mountains of Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia.



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Great insight and I’d have to agree that this is largely gonna be true. So then the extra volume will mostly come from current riders retiring...
Great insight and I’d have to agree that this is largely gonna be true. So then the extra volume will mostly come from current riders retiring later or previous riders coming out of retirement. I’m cool with that.
Bry145 wrote:
In Weigandt's "Why the decline in local moto" web article from a few years back, he said that MTB was on the up and up. So...
In Weigandt's "Why the decline in local moto" web article from a few years back, he said that MTB was on the up and up. So there must be some increase in participation. There seems to be momentum in that industry. Many bike companies seem to be doing well.

That said, I don't see participation exponentially increasing like motocross did in the late 90s and early 2000s.

It would be nice to see some data.

I see it blowing up over the next 5 years if the last 5 years is an indicator. High schools around here all have large teams and they are all year round athletes looking for a fun and effective way to stay fit. Many of them continue with the MTB after HS and the trails green loops are full of parents with their small children on weekends.....it's crazy here.

Yeah buddy.


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Mtbing is getting really big again. Around here in Southern California everybody has one. I remember how big it got in the 90s. It's hard to be able to moto as much as I want but I can ride my mtb every dang day. I think lots of people like the simplicity and how free it is after you have the bike and gear. The e bike aspect is just going to grow it more. I like it, we just need to build more trails in towns.
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Mtbing is getting really big again. Around here in Southern California everybody has one. I remember how big it got in the 90s. It's hard to...
Mtbing is getting really big again. Around here in Southern California everybody has one. I remember how big it got in the 90s. It's hard to be able to moto as much as I want but I can ride my mtb every dang day. I think lots of people like the simplicity and how free it is after you have the bike and gear. The e bike aspect is just going to grow it more. I like it, we just need to build more trails in towns.
It's fun, good exercise, and financially within reach. Motocross isn't financially within reach, which is something that will need to be addressed if the sport is going to survive at the local level.

One doesn't even need trails. A ride around a hilly rural or suburban area is still a good workout. We have some good hills in my area here.

The biggest benefit of all of this is hopefully more trim females to look at.



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The new Norco e bikes look really good. $5399 for a carbon e bike isn't bad at all compared to the new Levos.

https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/e-mountain/sight-vlt/
I like the satisfaction of the climbs and may more want primo suspension components and maybe even 29" wheels. I can get that for ~5K on a pedal bike such as an Evil Calling or Following.

I think plenty of mountain bike riding and climbing will make one a beast on a motocross bike.

I'm relatively fit. A regular bike won't kill me on an hour or two ride.

I like the e-bikes, but think a primo pedal bike may be a better value for the cash. If I had the cash I'd get both.

https://www.evil-bikes.com/products/calling



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Im looking for the longest lasting battery on a cheap bike. I just don't like to pedal, or spend money I don't have. A step up from walmart, like chromoly, and a good battery. What would that be? I don't really care if it has pedals or pegs.
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In Nannas Australia:
An S-works Turbo Levo is A$15 000.
A 2019 KTM 125SX is A$10 700.

At the moment, there are many, many, many more places to ride the eBike.
If this wasn’t the case I’d have a new 125.

I ride trails with jumps etc almost every day on my Giant Trance Advanced. At 55yo my achievements of clearing a new gap jump, or “cleaning” the “Wall Of Death” (giant wooden “berm”) make me giggle like a school girl. The exercise is almost a bonus.

I’m bi polar regards eBikes. Never wanted one - love lightweight pushbikes - love motorbikes
The “More fun. Ride further for the same exercise” theory makes a lot of sense.

I have an incredible eSkateboard. For me, it makes every road/carpark/cycleway the perfect gradient for endless carving. 40km/h top speed, 50km range, effective brakes (Brace before application.)

I’ll ride anything - even my unicycle - and enjoy it.
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