The newly invented sport of "pure motocross" (Racer X)

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ATKpilot99 12/6/2018 2:32pm
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If Herlings wanted to race SX, he would figure it out... But it's a risk that Albertyn, Tortelli, King, Chiodi and Rattray have taken on with...
If Herlings wanted to race SX, he would figure it out... But it's a risk that Albertyn, Tortelli, King, Chiodi and Rattray have taken on with tough results, and something JMB, Pichon, Vuillemin and Pourcel (and Musquin and Roczen) had better results with... It's gamble he's chosen not to take, like Everts and Cairoli, and who can blame him? (Don't really count Reed's brief MXGP career.)

Oh, and remember this: the last two U.S-born FIM World MX Champs, Bob Moore and Donny Schmit, were 125cc AMA Supercross Champs first. It's part of the culture here. Full stop.

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Ironically didn't Chiodi get hurt testing for outdoors after a relatively successful 125 SX season ? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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MX-LIFE. 12/6/2018 4:05pm
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From the looks of it Herlings doesn't need to race SX! He races MX and seems to do just fine it's funny that he beats the AMA pros often oh well.. KTM is paying him swell to do exactly what he is doing so what if he doesn't race SX how about the SX racers that can't win shit outdoors!
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Silas444 12/6/2018 4:26pm
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I think Herlings has it pretty well figured out - he's chosen to take the same path Cairoli did, and is hoping to get the same long-term results. He's considered the risks/rewards of Supercross and has decided it just isn't worth it - again, just like Cairoli did. I have a friend whose son is crazy fast and getting faster (at outdoors), but they're already looking at other options for him to follow to make a living. Why? Because you cannot just ride outdoors here, and the dangers of Supercross are just too much for them. We've all gotten quite good at pretending otherwise, but the fact is, there's a steadily growing disillusionment regarding Suoercross' effect on American motocross. Trouble is, it's wayyyyy too late to put that genie back in the bottle.
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Rab 12/6/2018 4:48pm
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Anyone else think it’s funny how Herlings is the one that started calling himself “the fastest man on the planet” ?
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gnarwhip 12/6/2018 5:25pm
12/6/2018 5:25pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2018 5:32pm
I don’t get why Herlings won’t come to the US for a couple years and see what’s up.
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PTECH 12/6/2018 6:37pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
I don’t get why Herlings won’t come to the US for a couple years and see what’s up.
I dont see why any of our top guys wont go over there for a few years and see whats up.
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zookrider62! 12/6/2018 7:43pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
I don’t get why Herlings won’t come to the US for a couple years and see what’s up.
Whats stopping you from leaving your job and going to a different country for a different job?
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Compromised 12/6/2018 7:46pm
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Yeah Jeff, SX is the PREMIER sport, come and race the worlds fastest man, Jason Anderson WORLD CHAMPION of SX
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drt410 12/6/2018 8:22pm
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In all fairness if your going to backhand Jason like that Ill have no choice but to point out that he beat Jeffrey with a broken foot on one of his first times on the 450. JH crashed yes, trying to keep up... just like JH beat Eli when Eli crashed... and Musquin. Anderson earned that title and just like how JH always makes it count the few times hes raced us, Jason made it count the one time he raced Jeffrey. JH crashed... but he crashed trying to pass Ando, its not like he passed him then crashed and Ando passed him and won. I think hes earned more credit than he gets.
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gnarwhip 12/6/2018 8:59pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
I don’t get why Herlings won’t come to the US for a couple years and see what’s up.
PTECH wrote:
I dont see why any of our top guys wont go over there for a few years and see whats up.
He’s the one who called himself the FMOTP, not me. Come on down, I’d like to see him race Tomac for 24 motos, wouldn’t you?
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rongi#401 12/6/2018 9:47pm
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Stupid cross doesn't matter
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NorCal 50+ 12/6/2018 10:11pm
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To reduce the story of the 2018 MXDN to the narrative that "US riders race SX because that's where the money is and that's why they can''t race mx anymore" minimizes the entire essence of the sport to a depressing corporate grind of hoisting cans of Monster for the camera. I fear some of our industry commentators have lost track of that as they defend our riders as "SX only." Would Jeff Stanton have come back from a MXDN loss and said "well I'm still better at Supercross"? That would be unthinkable.
That's why I make fun of the concept of the "pure motocross world" introduced in the Racer X article- that is a novel, new splitting of the sport after=the-fact (after the fact that MX GP riders in recent years have mastered diverse conditions, continents etc. including the historic victory at Red Bud) Give credit where it's due, that is mastering motocross, not mastering a new discipline of "pure motocross." The US mx scene should be doing serious self-reflection, instead of this "what-about"-ism I keep seeing. Moto is moto, bros, and Herlings and the GP guys are crushing us. The rigged MonsterCross Cup consolation race that followed only made us look more ridiculous- that's just like, my opinion, man. And DC provided a well-said response, so I consider it a good thread. Tongue
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NorCalRedRyder 12/6/2018 11:39pm
12/6/2018 11:39pm
I'm honestly much more of a fan of the Nationals since that's what we all grew up racing. But the fact of the matter is to the average fan Supercross is way more exciting and accommodating to the casual fan. They have the pits which have all kinds of cool and exciting things for the casual fan to enjoy. The gf's can wear their "cute" outfits and get girlie drinks at the stadium bars, food is better with a bigger selection, the kids can get all kinds of free stuff, demo video games and strider bikes, tailgating, etc. Not to mention the production of the shows with the fireworks and intros, show moves quickly, and you can see the whole show from your seat. But like I said, I love the nationals and look forward to Hangtown every year. But for the casuals it's not nearly as enticing....it used to be though. I'd go with a crew of friends 15 or so deep, a couple of dead body coolers full of beer, and make a day of it. Now that crew is my son, my gf, and myself ever since they stopped letting you bring your own "supplies" in. Hangtown had a shitty cheese steak truck and someone else selling shitty hot dogs and burgers and lines that were 45 people deep. All I heard all day from numerous casuals was "It's so hot" "how many more races are left" "We have to walk a half mile over that hill to see the otherside of the track?" Sad but true and that's why the manufacturer s are more focused on Supercross, the nationals don't bring in 1/10 the money a Supercross race will. I can give a million reasons why Supercross is the main focus but that's the jist of it.
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NorCalRedRyder 12/6/2018 11:43pm
12/6/2018 11:43pm
Oh ya and the stupid NBC Gold pass isn't doing the nationals any favors. During one of the nationals last year they were showing a god damn Cornhole tournament on Espn2!! Might be time to get someone who can negotiate a bit better.....Cornhole tournament's.......Cornhole tournament's.
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Dropbear 12/7/2018 12:16am
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Why race SX when you have all those awesome Euro tracks? Especially when your are making plenty of cash anyway and less likely to get hurt.
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keinz 12/7/2018 1:12am
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Give him a year and he would dominate sx aswell. I cant even understand the people saying that he could not be good at sx. roczen,musquin...
Give him a year and he would dominate sx aswell. I cant even understand the people saying that he could not be good at sx. roczen,musquin and ferrandis are doing fine. Why wouldnt herlings that is much faster than them? lol

https://youtu.be/n9FXeC0Q6Qg
IMO, he was fast as hell, especially in corners in that clip
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jamma10 12/7/2018 2:11am
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2011.

He really wasn't that bad, for a 16 year old.

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Ray_MXS 12/7/2018 2:28am
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drt410 wrote:
In all fairness if your going to backhand Jason like that Ill have no choice but to point out that he beat Jeffrey with a broken...
In all fairness if your going to backhand Jason like that Ill have no choice but to point out that he beat Jeffrey with a broken foot on one of his first times on the 450. JH crashed yes, trying to keep up... just like JH beat Eli when Eli crashed... and Musquin. Anderson earned that title and just like how JH always makes it count the few times hes raced us, Jason made it count the one time he raced Jeffrey. JH crashed... but he crashed trying to pass Ando, its not like he passed him then crashed and Ando passed him and won. I think hes earned more credit than he gets.
Why do people always bring up races that happened years ago? You don't think the circumstances have changed since then? Nobody stated Jeffrey Herlings was the fastest man on the planet when he was racing 250s, which is what he was doing that one MXoN race everyone keeps referring to. He wasn't a mxgp world champion then, he is now.

Of course, Anderson has probably improved too, and so has Tomac, which makes the comparison even sillier.

It's such a stupid thing to keep bringing up over and over.
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Fearo 12/7/2018 2:28am
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It's a sad state of affairs when even the respected media can't let go of the fact that the fastest man on the planet right now is from Europe and DOES NOT CARE about supercross.

Of course he's thought about it, so has Cairoli, Everts, and a bunch of other riders who didn't come over. It wasn't for them. And for years, (some) Americans felt like that was like wanting to be the best in the B-league. Now the MXON has yielded European domination for 5 years straight and people have started looking for answers to all these ridiculous questions "why don't they come to America?" "would they be good at SX?"...

They thought about it at one point, decided against it, and moved on.

I get that it used to be common for a lot of top GP guys to want to be succesful in America and that train has not derailed. Guys like Prado, arugably the fastest MX2 rider in the world will no doubt pursue glory in the US but Herlings doesn't want that, doesn't care, and will beat your ass into the ground when you step on his terrain (aka outdoor motocross, anywhere in the world).

It's time to let it go.
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Sideways 12/7/2018 3:19am
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Fearo wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when even the respected media can't let go of the fact that the fastest man on the planet right now...
It's a sad state of affairs when even the respected media can't let go of the fact that the fastest man on the planet right now is from Europe and DOES NOT CARE about supercross.

Of course he's thought about it, so has Cairoli, Everts, and a bunch of other riders who didn't come over. It wasn't for them. And for years, (some) Americans felt like that was like wanting to be the best in the B-league. Now the MXON has yielded European domination for 5 years straight and people have started looking for answers to all these ridiculous questions "why don't they come to America?" "would they be good at SX?"...

They thought about it at one point, decided against it, and moved on.

I get that it used to be common for a lot of top GP guys to want to be succesful in America and that train has not derailed. Guys like Prado, arugably the fastest MX2 rider in the world will no doubt pursue glory in the US but Herlings doesn't want that, doesn't care, and will beat your ass into the ground when you step on his terrain (aka outdoor motocross, anywhere in the world).

It's time to let it go.
Im not o sure about Prado going to the US. It seems like he has changed his mind after going to De carli and training with Cairoli. I think Prado is focusing on being the guy that can challenge herlings in the future.
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DC 12/7/2018 4:00am
12/7/2018 4:00am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2018 8:27am
Ran wrote "Anyone else think it’s funny how Herlings is the one that started calling himself “the fastest man on the planet” ?

In all fairness to Jeffrey, he grew up a huge fan of James Stewart and knows his career inside and out. After he clinched the title he posted that, then deleted it when he got grief, but at that moment it was certainly the truth, given all of the races he did (17 of 19 MXGP wins, the MXON, and the Ironman National the year before).

He wasn't bragging, he was probably just voicing a lifelong goal to be like Bubba at some point, and right now in motocross, he is.

Read the whole article, it might change your mind about a very interesting and driven athlete at the top of his game right now.

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RichardLoots 12/7/2018 4:08am
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The fact that people think that an extraordinary talent, no matter who it is, can’t have a crack at SX without training is hilarious.
this ...
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RichardLoots 12/7/2018 4:11am
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Herlings is like the world's best Rugby Player. It's cool and tough but a relic of the past. The money and talent is in Supercross. If...
Herlings is like the world's best Rugby Player. It's cool and tough but a relic of the past. The money and talent is in Supercross. If Herlings could race Supercross competitively he would, because that is where the money is. Kenny is back in black and Herlings is second best with the sun out in 2019 anyway.
who let you out again ?? looks like nothing has changed Laughing hilarious as always
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KDXGarage 12/7/2018 4:32am
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9 out of 10 of you complaining will be watching Anaheim 1. Enjoy!
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PTECH 12/7/2018 5:45am
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gnarwhip wrote:
He’s the one who called himself the FMOTP, not me. Come on down, I’d like to see him race Tomac for 24 motos, wouldn’t you?
Of course I would love to see that but I think it’s unfair to trivialize him moving to the US to race our schedule just to “see what’s up.” Not everyone is dying to live in the US. He likes living in Europe just like our guys like living here.

He beat everyone there is to beat this year. I would say it’s safe to say with the way the cards fell he was the fastest guy this year.
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peltier626 12/7/2018 6:30am
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
To reduce the story of the 2018 MXDN to the narrative that "US riders race SX because that's where the money is and that's why they...
To reduce the story of the 2018 MXDN to the narrative that "US riders race SX because that's where the money is and that's why they can''t race mx anymore" minimizes the entire essence of the sport to a depressing corporate grind of hoisting cans of Monster for the camera. I fear some of our industry commentators have lost track of that as they defend our riders as "SX only." Would Jeff Stanton have come back from a MXDN loss and said "well I'm still better at Supercross"? That would be unthinkable.
That's why I make fun of the concept of the "pure motocross world" introduced in the Racer X article- that is a novel, new splitting of the sport after=the-fact (after the fact that MX GP riders in recent years have mastered diverse conditions, continents etc. including the historic victory at Red Bud) Give credit where it's due, that is mastering motocross, not mastering a new discipline of "pure motocross." The US mx scene should be doing serious self-reflection, instead of this "what-about"-ism I keep seeing. Moto is moto, bros, and Herlings and the GP guys are crushing us. The rigged MonsterCross Cup consolation race that followed only made us look more ridiculous- that's just like, my opinion, man. And DC provided a well-said response, so I consider it a good thread. Tongue
Bingo! It's all about $$$$$ here in corporate America. I'm almost embarrassed by some of the excuses they're coming up with. Should accept defeat, learn and evolve from it.
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gabrielito 12/7/2018 6:32am
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
To reduce the story of the 2018 MXDN to the narrative that "US riders race SX because that's where the money is and that's why they...
To reduce the story of the 2018 MXDN to the narrative that "US riders race SX because that's where the money is and that's why they can''t race mx anymore" minimizes the entire essence of the sport to a depressing corporate grind of hoisting cans of Monster for the camera. I fear some of our industry commentators have lost track of that as they defend our riders as "SX only." Would Jeff Stanton have come back from a MXDN loss and said "well I'm still better at Supercross"? That would be unthinkable.
That's why I make fun of the concept of the "pure motocross world" introduced in the Racer X article- that is a novel, new splitting of the sport after=the-fact (after the fact that MX GP riders in recent years have mastered diverse conditions, continents etc. including the historic victory at Red Bud) Give credit where it's due, that is mastering motocross, not mastering a new discipline of "pure motocross." The US mx scene should be doing serious self-reflection, instead of this "what-about"-ism I keep seeing. Moto is moto, bros, and Herlings and the GP guys are crushing us. The rigged MonsterCross Cup consolation race that followed only made us look more ridiculous- that's just like, my opinion, man. And DC provided a well-said response, so I consider it a good thread. Tongue
It is what it is, unfortunately. Feld and Monster have all the cards and MX fans hardly matter to them.
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gabrielito 12/7/2018 8:38am
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gabrielito wrote:
Herlings is like the world's best Rugby Player. It's cool and tough but a relic of the past. The money and talent is in Supercross. If...
Herlings is like the world's best Rugby Player. It's cool and tough but a relic of the past. The money and talent is in Supercross. If Herlings could race Supercross competitively he would, because that is where the money is. Kenny is back in black and Herlings is second best with the sun out in 2019 anyway.
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who let you out again ?? looks like nothing has changed Laughing hilarious as always
You should appreciate the sentiment that Herlings is second best MX. Kenny is better and always has been . Kenny races supercross half the time, imagine if he a Tomac race MX exclusively,. You wanker.
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RichardLoots 12/7/2018 8:54am
12/7/2018 8:54am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2018 9:04am
gabrielito wrote:
You should appreciate the sentiment that Herlings is second best MX. Kenny is better and always has been . Kenny races supercross half the time, imagine...
You should appreciate the sentiment that Herlings is second best MX. Kenny is better and always has been . Kenny races supercross half the time, imagine if he a Tomac race MX exclusively,. You wanker.
how sad your life must be ..i feel sorry for you mister ... butthurt is so real

last time Kenny beat Herlings was a decade ago , wake up dude .Its 2018

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gabrielito 12/7/2018 9:15am
12/7/2018 9:15am
gabrielito wrote:
You should appreciate the sentiment that Herlings is second best MX. Kenny is better and always has been . Kenny races supercross half the time, imagine...
You should appreciate the sentiment that Herlings is second best MX. Kenny is better and always has been . Kenny races supercross half the time, imagine if he a Tomac race MX exclusively,. You wanker.
RichardLoots wrote:
how sad your life must be ..i feel sorry for you mister ... butthurt is so real last time Kenny beat Herlings was a decade ago...
how sad your life must be ..i feel sorry for you mister ... butthurt is so real

last time Kenny beat Herlings was a decade ago , wake up dude .Its 2018

You are the weirdo who comments on my obviously sarcastic and hyperbolic posts intended to point out how messed up the MX system in America is,. Please stop it kinda gives me the creeps the way you follow me around. Is there a stalking rule on this board. If not there should be. And as far as Kenny vs Herlings goes, you know damn well that Kenny owns Herlings like his motherland owned yours.
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