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What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far

Whta is your opinion?

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Lay off the bottle.

One guy started winning premier class championships at 20 years old.
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keinz 11/30/2018 5:30am
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USA wrote:
Lay off the bottle.

One guy started winning premier class championships at 20 years old.
Sorry. I'm on the mood again But If you buried all your dear ones including your little daughter, and then shortly after that you diagnosed with cancer to 10% chance to survive and you beat that bastard, then you have some off days. Sry. But what's wrong with the topic anyway?
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keinz 11/30/2018 5:52am
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USA wrote:
Lay off the bottle.

One guy started winning premier class championships at 20 years old.
And one of them 4 times worl champ by same time
crusty_xx 11/30/2018 5:58am
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Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do.

Might change if Herlings continues to dominate MXGP and Roczen doesn't find back to 100%
Roczen's bank account is probably also significantly bigger than Herlings'
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keinz 11/30/2018 6:04am
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Imagine how exciting it would be the MXGP if the KR wouldn't left the Europe?
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crusty_xx wrote:
Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do. Might change if Herlings continues to dominate...
Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do.

Might change if Herlings continues to dominate MXGP and Roczen doesn't find back to 100%
Roczen's bank account is probably also significantly bigger than Herlings'
I'm not sure about the bank account, but I'm very worried about carreer ending injures. Juss Laanso was wery promising up and coming youngster, till SX ended his future
crusty_xx 11/30/2018 6:22am
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Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do. Might change if Herlings continues to dominate...
Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do.

Might change if Herlings continues to dominate MXGP and Roczen doesn't find back to 100%
Roczen's bank account is probably also significantly bigger than Herlings'
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I'm not sure about the bank account, but I'm very worried about carreer ending injures. Juss Laanso was wery promising up and coming youngster, till SX...
I'm not sure about the bank account, but I'm very worried about carreer ending injures. Juss Laanso was wery promising up and coming youngster, till SX ended his future
Pretty sure Roczens makes more money being on the couch than 80% of the guys on the line racing every week
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If you're looking at careers as a whole, Roczen hands down. 2 450MX titles trump 1 MX1 world title. The big problem in Kenny's way now that he's getting back up to speed is that #3 guy.
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...well shit, I was thinking Josh Hill!!! Tongue
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crusty_xx wrote:
Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do. Might change if Herlings continues to dominate...
Roczen definitely at this point. Winning championships in BOTH series is something very few riders have managed to do.

Might change if Herlings continues to dominate MXGP and Roczen doesn't find back to 100%
Roczen's bank account is probably also significantly bigger than Herlings'
keinz wrote:
I'm not sure about the bank account, but I'm very worried about carreer ending injures. Juss Laanso was wery promising up and coming youngster, till SX...
I'm not sure about the bank account, but I'm very worried about carreer ending injures. Juss Laanso was wery promising up and coming youngster, till SX ended his future
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Pretty sure Roczens makes more money being on the couch than 80% of the guys on the line racing every week
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Everyone knows Ken has made a very nice living.
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
How do you know?
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keinz 11/30/2018 7:14am
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
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How do you know?
Lambo beats every time R8Smile
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agn5009 11/30/2018 7:21am
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
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How do you know?
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living.

I’m not sure why how much money someone has made is relevant to this discussion anyways.
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keinz 11/30/2018 7:31am
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
BobPA wrote:
How do you know?
agn5009 wrote:
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living. I’m not sure why how much money someone...
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living.

I’m not sure why how much money someone has made is relevant to this discussion anyways.
It's not the Forbes thread, The question was about the careers they both had so far.
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keinz 11/30/2018 7:32am
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Both of them are Euros, so I'm rooting for both of them, but IMO JH had more success so far. And if KR stayed in Europe JH would beat him next year
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agn5009 11/30/2018 7:42am
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BobPA wrote:
How do you know?
agn5009 wrote:
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living. I’m not sure why how much money someone...
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living.

I’m not sure why how much money someone has made is relevant to this discussion anyways.
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It's not the Forbes thread, The question was about the careers they both had so far.
Yes I know.

Ken has had a better 450 career thus far. Jeffrey has a better 250 career. 450 titles are more important than 250. So I would say Ken has had a better career so far. Both guys have a lot of years left in them though. So we will see in about 5 to 7 years who has the better career.
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crusty_xx 11/30/2018 7:44am
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
BobPA wrote:
How do you know?
agn5009 wrote:
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living. I’m not sure why how much money someone...
You’re right. There are some dumb people here. Not everyone would know Ken has made a nice living.

I’m not sure why how much money someone has made is relevant to this discussion anyways.
Well it's their profession. Usually if you make more than the next guy you're more successful in your profession, no?
EnvyMedia 11/30/2018 8:21am
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KR by a mile. Most of Herlings' on paper succes has come from staying in MX2 for a very long time. A class where he was head and shoulders above the competition, with tougher competition in MX1. Meanwhile Roczen was winning against the toughest competition he could face. Now it may change will Herlings win several more MXGP titles, but in my book it's Roczen that has been more impressive.
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keinz 11/30/2018 8:57am
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And poll says 60/40 for a Herlings favor so far
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Let's go on
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Shaun_Powelson 11/30/2018 10:35am
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One of them(although currently the fastest outdoor rider on the planet) sandbagged 250's for several years while the other had already won at least 1 of most of the major 250 championships in the world spanning several continents & moved on to winning premier big bike races & championships. At which time he was the fmotp period in all premier disciplines before grendaing himself into what would've been career ending for most. The better one will be back to the top soon & prevail again!
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731chopper 11/30/2018 10:47am
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Had Kenny not come to the US and raced Supercross, he would not have had the injury that derailed his career.

Kenny did come to the US, learned and succeeded at Supercross and moved himself up to the premier class at a young age where he found immediate success outdoors. Kenny has shown the talent, speed and diversity in his race craft. Jefferey is incredible but he has not done what Kenny has done.
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Shaun_Powelson 11/30/2018 10:50am
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agn5009 wrote:
Yes I know. Ken has had a better 450 career thus far. Jeffrey has a better 250 career. 450 titles are more important than 250. So...
Yes I know.

Ken has had a better 450 career thus far. Jeffrey has a better 250 career. 450 titles are more important than 250. So I would say Ken has had a better career so far. Both guys have a lot of years left in them though. So we will see in about 5 to 7 years who has the better career.
I don't agree on herlings being the better 250 rider. He sandbagged the shit out of mx2 for 7 years & only won 3 titles when he was by far the fastest/"best" rider there almost the entire time. Ken won mx2 & left for America to race better competition & supercross. He adapted quickly, won a 250sx title & then moved onto 450s in a timely manner after conquering a new discipline. If ken sandbagged that mx2 like Jeffrey, he would've had at least 5 of 8 as he is way smoother & smarter imo. Also, I really don't care or have bias as I'm an American. Ken has gained me as a fan since coming to America & putting in the work to be the best. I respect Jeffrey's talent & current speed as well. I just think Ken has been better overall in 250 & 450 so far. Like it has been said above. That could change if Ken doesn't get back to 110% like he was before he got injured.

Edit- if my stats on JH 250 career are slightly off, please kill me in the comments below?. I'm not an mxgp expert or historian, that was just my best guess without going to the vault to check.
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kb228 11/30/2018 11:30am
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Roczen. Hes won more 450 mx titles than herlings, and has won more sx races.

& ofc roczen makes more money. SX is broadcast to more people than mxgp is. Much bigger stage and all of the OEM’s main focus.
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Not too sure on which series has more viewers or makes more money. KR94 came to the US after having a successful MXGP2 career. The US is not the end all be all but to up root from a guaranteed long term career and become one of the best on both continents and two disciplines is impressive. For those reasons KR94, as of now gets my vote. Another plus is watching him ride so fast and smooth makes me appreciate his true talents.
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keinz 11/30/2018 11:56am
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It's just my opinion, but if Ken were to remain in Europe for another year, Herlings would be the better one
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jorgechavez 11/30/2018 12:07pm
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Right now I think you have to go with Roczen when you ask who's career is more successful. The answer may change in 3 or 4 years if Herlings continues to dominate the GP's. There's also the question of will Roczen be able to get back to his old self again.

I think it will be interesting to compare Prado's future success to theirs now when he is about their age.
Aussie_power_sports 11/30/2018 12:13pm
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I feel like on paper herlings looks better but really roczen took the harder route going to USA for sx. He has faced tougher compeition in the 250 class and won 2 outdoor championships against one of the most successful riders (dungey).

This is really a question for a few years time
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keinz 11/30/2018 12:19pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
Right now I think you have to go with Roczen when you ask who's career is more successful. The answer may change in 3 or 4...
Right now I think you have to go with Roczen when you ask who's career is more successful. The answer may change in 3 or 4 years if Herlings continues to dominate the GP's. There's also the question of will Roczen be able to get back to his old self again.

I think it will be interesting to compare Prado's future success to theirs now when he is about their age.
Prado will be fine. He's going to dominat MX2 for a couple of years, till TC retires, Then mayby/mayby he moves up, but no horry. KTM/Husqi has Jonass. If Jonass don't deliver, then itts time for Prado to move up. What you think that Herlings liked to stay down in MX2? It's a team play,and KTM has all aces in their hands
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keinz wrote:
What you think, whose career is more successful, and why? BTW both of them had a major injuries in their career so far
Jh?

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