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AK74 10/8/2018 1:54am
10/8/2018 1:54am
sticecube wrote:
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I...
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I haven't watched a GP on tv in years and the last time I did they were the ones running it I believe but I may be confused). We take a 6 week break following our final round, where as the Europeans come straight from their last race without missing a beat. The tracks are all built to the MXGP standard, taking away the individuality in a sense of the hosting nations track in particular, like for example the start at Red Bud was moved, they added a long switchback right after it, and it appeared (through some of the highlights I watched) it had a very MXGP style of prep compared to what I've seen the last few years for the national. There are rumors about how American riders are told to NOT win races during the MXGP season by the man who runs their series ( I recall an article somewhere a year or so ago that it was stated that Sanayei and Covington were threatened to be dropped from their teams if they beat the Europeans) and I'm not saying they are told not to win for the nations, but it does present an obvious bias towards anyone thats not the Americans. I will say though, that I don't believe, even if the changes did not happen, that the US would still not have won outright. I believe France is an elite team of riders, and thats obvious when you win 5 in a row. However, until the system appears to become unbiased, and the date of the event is moved closer to the conclusion of the US national series, the United States will not win at the nations UNLESS the riders involved agree to not do monster cup or other October SX style races.
What a very interesting perspective.
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St Ann More 10/8/2018 2:05am
10/8/2018 2:05am
FIREfish148 wrote:
Tomac didn't go full retard. Oh well, he can always go full retard another day. Personally, I would like to see another rider with the potential...
Tomac didn't go full retard. Oh well, he can always go full retard another day. Personally, I would like to see another rider with the potential of going full retard on the team. Such as El Chupacabra.
Send him to Assen, Herlings can lap him in the sand again.
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robkinuk 10/8/2018 2:06am
10/8/2018 2:06am
If you get a facebook friend request from Tomac, Barcia or Plessinger don't accept! ?
They have been hacked and are not who they or American fans think they are!??
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Barrett57 10/8/2018 2:48am
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robkinuk wrote:
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his...
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his bike these past 6 weeks than he did at hair dressers and painting his cowboy boots!????
Great ride by Ben Watson, Team GB robbed by Tommy Searle bike blowing up after he was riding so well.
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Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
If you have been easily beaten twice by an irrelevant country, the second time in your own backyard after an engine failure, what does that make you? ?
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Paul_Jacky 10/8/2018 3:11am
10/8/2018 3:11am
sticecube wrote:
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I...
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I haven't watched a GP on tv in years and the last time I did they were the ones running it I believe but I may be confused). We take a 6 week break following our final round, where as the Europeans come straight from their last race without missing a beat. The tracks are all built to the MXGP standard, taking away the individuality in a sense of the hosting nations track in particular, like for example the start at Red Bud was moved, they added a long switchback right after it, and it appeared (through some of the highlights I watched) it had a very MXGP style of prep compared to what I've seen the last few years for the national. There are rumors about how American riders are told to NOT win races during the MXGP season by the man who runs their series ( I recall an article somewhere a year or so ago that it was stated that Sanayei and Covington were threatened to be dropped from their teams if they beat the Europeans) and I'm not saying they are told not to win for the nations, but it does present an obvious bias towards anyone thats not the Americans. I will say though, that I don't believe, even if the changes did not happen, that the US would still not have won outright. I believe France is an elite team of riders, and thats obvious when you win 5 in a row. However, until the system appears to become unbiased, and the date of the event is moved closer to the conclusion of the US national series, the United States will not win at the nations UNLESS the riders involved agree to not do monster cup or other October SX style races.
Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
Just don't say it too loudly...they're everywhere....you know who I mean....them....
the illuminati is behind this just call the beast by its name
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Rs444 10/8/2018 3:11am
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How many mud races do we have in America each year, maybe three? Track was Euro style with the ruts and mud, a dry track would've...
How many mud races do we have in America each year, maybe three? Track was Euro style with the ruts and mud, a dry track would've been a different story. Kinda like when Musquin beat Tomac at High Point this summer. Euros thrive on this stuff.
Rs444 wrote:
The best riders in the world should be able to go fast regardless of track conditions. If youre only the best on lets say a completly...
The best riders in the world should be able to go fast regardless of track conditions. If youre only the best on lets say a completly dry and well groomed hardpack track but suck in lets say deep sand, in mud or when it gets rough, are you really the best rider then?? . What makes a good motocross rider is to be well balanced and im sorry but that isnt et3. Sure there are tracks where he could go faster than anyone else but he has proven to be quite weak mentally after every race where he has gotten mud on his clutch lever etc etc and given up.
gnarwhip wrote:
Then why doesn't Herlings come over to the US for a year, and ride a full season of dry US tracks in the hot summer months?
Why leave a world championship series to win a national series?. And why would he go there regardless knowing that below the top 5-6 guys in the nationals everyone is more or less comparable to emx and not the gp's. No excuses man, one would have to be blind not to see that the gp's is the more prestigeous outdoor series and it should be because its the thoughest, oldest, longest series with riders from more countries racing in it. Why the fuck do u Think AMA wanted the american supercross championship to be an official world championship if it wasnt because of the fact that a world title is more prestigeous than a national one!?.
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JD167 10/8/2018 3:15am
10/8/2018 3:15am
I saw this coming from a mile away. I kept seeing all the "tomac fmotp" threads and shit about how they're gonna leave the leap out of the race and I had to laugh because it's like dudes on here don't realize there are people in other countrys who know how to ride motorcycles haha. Watch a GP once in a while or watch ironman from a couple years back, these dudes are not to be taken lightly. Also after the team presentation ceremony tomac looked/sounded like Ricky Bobby after his first race Laughing
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slaveO 10/8/2018 3:16am
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Got completely dominated on their home soil on a track they know well and love. Barcia is amazing at Red Bud and Tomac and Plessinger are...
Got completely dominated on their home soil on a track they know well and love. Barcia is amazing at Red Bud and Tomac and Plessinger are the best we have. I mean this was our best on our own soil. No excuse there. Absolutely dominated.

And just in case you were wondering, if we remove the GP guys, the results would have been the same as most rounds this year. Tomac 1-1, Barcia and Roczen rounding out the podium. This is with an admittedly huge omission in Musquin.
BobbyM wrote:
DUNGEY woulda went 1,1
Yeah at the Pitbike of Nations maybe ???
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smezmx 10/8/2018 3:20am
10/8/2018 3:20am
Well done france....is that five on the spin now?.....commiserations to all those who got their asses spanked.....maybe next year......this guy surely must have lost a bet? Laughing Whistling



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slaveO 10/8/2018 3:27am
10/8/2018 3:27am
devindavisphoto wrote:
Beating a dead horse here, but how do we do if it's 100 degrees and perfect conditions? I think we dominate this year. Just my opinion...
Beating a dead horse here, but how do we do if it's 100 degrees and perfect conditions? I think we dominate this year.

Just my opinion... the track today looked more like a GP track than an AMA track.
And what makes You think that the MXGP riders will go slower once the track conditions become easier ?? ???‍♂️? If you‘re fast in the worst conditions You are even faster when the tracks become easier ?? will the field be closer together ? For sure. But still I think it wouldn’t change the whole game ...
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NVA57 10/8/2018 3:31am
10/8/2018 3:31am
devindavisphoto wrote:
Beating a dead horse here, but how do we do if it's 100 degrees and perfect conditions? I think we dominate this year. Just my opinion...
Beating a dead horse here, but how do we do if it's 100 degrees and perfect conditions? I think we dominate this year.

Just my opinion... the track today looked more like a GP track than an AMA track.
The best riders excel on every track and type of surface.

Get this "GP track" outta here.
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Jamie_Munro 10/8/2018 3:36am
10/8/2018 3:36am
Redbud was not rough, people hampering after the excuse that the track was more like a euro track because of ruts Laughing is a massive WTF.

Redbud is a euro track now? How come we didn't hear this before the race.

Assen will be rough.

I suggest or hope the USA team goto Florida for half the year at least and get some sand training on a proper track that's intentionally deep.

I also suggest the vicious fanboys get better nappies because there's going to be a lot of sand in those special body parts next year unless the team step it up. I hear Vaseline helps keep it out, anything is worth a try eh?

I'll be at Assen and so will a lot of friends, more than happy to meet up and drink and have a proper laugh and friendly banter exchange based on racing and reality.
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Aryen 10/8/2018 3:44am
10/8/2018 3:44am
I hope USA actually send a team next year.

I’m fearing “budget issues”...
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motonation24 10/8/2018 3:55am
10/8/2018 3:55am
Brad460 wrote:
Does this make Covington a favorite in the 250’s? In retrospect he would have been a much better choice than Plessinger..
You might be right
Jamie_Munro 10/8/2018 3:56am
10/8/2018 3:56am
Aryen wrote:
I hope USA actually send a team next year.

I’m fearing “budget issues”...
They wouldn't remove themselves, no way.

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motonation24 10/8/2018 4:02am
10/8/2018 4:02am
Today I have accepted that the MXGP riders are better... RV2 has also agreed.
Plessinger should of gone 8-8
Tomac 4-3
Barcia- 8-10 (throw away)
31 points gets it done.
Maybe the 5 week break off racing affected them more than we thought?
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Tbteam 10/8/2018 4:08am
10/8/2018 4:08am
I’m hearing a great deal of industry talk about the “team” element of our effort. As in, there wasn’t any.

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wpark89 10/8/2018 4:58am
10/8/2018 4:58am
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I’m hearing a great deal of industry talk about the “team” element of our effort. As in, there wasn’t any.

Totally agree. For the spirit of the event these guys should be parked together. A few of the other countries do it right. I get there are different manufacturers and sponsors...but it’s Team USA and there shouldn’t be bikes and team members scattered out all over the pits!

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Amsterdamned 10/8/2018 5:09am
10/8/2018 5:09am
sticecube wrote:
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I...
Im my honest opinion, the MXDN is set up for Europeans to Succeed thanks to Youthstream or who ever it is that runs the GP's (I haven't watched a GP on tv in years and the last time I did they were the ones running it I believe but I may be confused). We take a 6 week break following our final round, where as the Europeans come straight from their last race without missing a beat. The tracks are all built to the MXGP standard, taking away the individuality in a sense of the hosting nations track in particular, like for example the start at Red Bud was moved, they added a long switchback right after it, and it appeared (through some of the highlights I watched) it had a very MXGP style of prep compared to what I've seen the last few years for the national. There are rumors about how American riders are told to NOT win races during the MXGP season by the man who runs their series ( I recall an article somewhere a year or so ago that it was stated that Sanayei and Covington were threatened to be dropped from their teams if they beat the Europeans) and I'm not saying they are told not to win for the nations, but it does present an obvious bias towards anyone thats not the Americans. I will say though, that I don't believe, even if the changes did not happen, that the US would still not have won outright. I believe France is an elite team of riders, and thats obvious when you win 5 in a row. However, until the system appears to become unbiased, and the date of the event is moved closer to the conclusion of the US national series, the United States will not win at the nations UNLESS the riders involved agree to not do monster cup or other October SX style races.
presto170 10/8/2018 5:16am
10/8/2018 5:16am
robkinuk wrote:
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his...
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his bike these past 6 weeks than he did at hair dressers and painting his cowboy boots!????
Great ride by Ben Watson, Team GB robbed by Tommy Searle bike blowing up after he was riding so well.
Park Boys wrote:
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
hahaaa I love your bitterness it’s brilliant, don’t let it ruin your day there’s always next year ?
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Edge-Of-Adhesion 10/8/2018 5:50am
10/8/2018 5:50am
Park Boys wrote:
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
To be fair half of your post invalidates the other.

You say that last year was along time ago and our MXoN podium at Mattery is now irrelevant and then that Searle & Anstie's time in the US frickin years ago somehow isn't.

Head in hands.



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cbuehler767 10/8/2018 6:04am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
ALSO Plessinger was off all day. I think the kid has a concussion. Looked like a totally different rider after his nasty get off.
Nobody is bringing this up. I thought of this yest. He had them all covered until the get off. He crashed off the track down to the fire road which was about 10' lower than the lip of the triple. After that he's getting 16th-18th or whatever and couldn't move forward? I don't buy it
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RG1 10/8/2018 6:06am
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robkinuk wrote:
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his...
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his bike these past 6 weeks than he did at hair dressers and painting his cowboy boots!????
Great ride by Ben Watson, Team GB robbed by Tommy Searle bike blowing up after he was riding so well.
Park Boys wrote:
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
We maybe completely non relevant, but we still beat you on home soil with a DNF. If Searle makes it another lap in Race 1 we finish second. Eli Tomac has never looked at the back of a guys shirt more than he looked at Tommy Searle's this weekend, he had absolutely nothing for him. You can talk about us being non relevant, USA have won absolutely nothing for nearly a decade, not even placing in the Top 5 at as US National track is the final step to being irrelevant.
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cbuehler767 10/8/2018 6:10am
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
To be fair half of your post invalidates the other. You say that last year was along time ago and our MXoN podium at Mattery is...
To be fair half of your post invalidates the other.

You say that last year was along time ago and our MXoN podium at Mattery is now irrelevant and then that Searle & Anstie's time in the US frickin years ago somehow isn't.

Head in hands.



British team was very strong. I had to check my program to see who Watson was he rips. Searles bike was smoking 2 laps into that moto and still took Tomac forever to get around him
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CalimeroFan 10/8/2018 6:18am
10/8/2018 6:18am
pilotdude wrote:
Please explain how Tomac had a faster lap time than every GP rider except Herlings and Coldenhoff.

Since you were there and you "know."
And he still finished only 7th?
Than he didn't want to win for his country and his fitness is not good, I guess. Any other lame excuses?
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GangGreen 10/8/2018 6:33am
10/8/2018 6:33am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2018 6:35am
Crush wrote, "It was like that when USA won all the time. Track prep and single day nationals mean a different type of track. The Euro bike setup is way more compliant and long and they eat up nasty shit."

The “Old-Timers” have been saying it for years, unnecessary man-made jumps and excessive grooming, has to be hurting our performance at the MXdesNations.





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Tbteam 10/8/2018 6:41am
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All we had to do was average a 6th place finish per racer, and we win. Our guys weren’t fast enough to do it.

Let’s remember that in ‘86, we finished with 5 points for all 6 motos. We dropped a 1st place finish. (Classes were scored individually then)
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Jamie_Munro 10/8/2018 6:44am
10/8/2018 6:44am
robkinuk wrote:
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his...
Only good performance by an American at Red Bud was the girl who sang the national anthem.?? Perhaps Plessinger should have spent more time on his bike these past 6 weeks than he did at hair dressers and painting his cowboy boots!????
Great ride by Ben Watson, Team GB robbed by Tommy Searle bike blowing up after he was riding so well.
Park Boys wrote:
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
RG1 wrote:
We maybe completely non relevant, but we still beat you on home soil with a DNF. If Searle makes it another lap in Race 1 we...
We maybe completely non relevant, but we still beat you on home soil with a DNF. If Searle makes it another lap in Race 1 we finish second. Eli Tomac has never looked at the back of a guys shirt more than he looked at Tommy Searle's this weekend, he had absolutely nothing for him. You can talk about us being non relevant, USA have won absolutely nothing for nearly a decade, not even placing in the Top 5 at as US National track is the final step to being irrelevant.
Boooooooooooooom !

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Tuzzo123 10/8/2018 7:27am
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Need I say more, stay off the Ground and get starts. We couldn't do either......
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Park Boys wrote:
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty...
Here we go a British man taking about Motocross. The Brithshmen are the weakest links of European Motocross. The Dutch, Belgians an Italian, some Germans, plenty of Frenchman and a Slovenian are the faces of European Motocross. You know what guys are non players on European Motocross? The guys that thump there chest the loudest about European MX, the British! A country completely non relevant on the Motocross world stage. Last year was along time ago. I suppose in about 20 some years you may podium again. If Belgium has bad luck of course. Remember both Serale and Anstie tried to make it in the states and got sent back to Europe with their tails between there legs.
1.7oz of petroleum jelly is $1.67 at Walmart for all that butthurt your feeling. You're embarrassing yourself and this great nation with the nonsense you're expressing on these MXdN forum posts.

Europe, Britain and Australia handed the USA its ass at Red Bud despite all the advantages the american riders had at this event - even being allowed to compete on the track during the nationals something the MXGP boys aren't allowed to do when the event is held in Europe or Britain.
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