AMA Riders Got Smoked Today...

theesloth
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10/7/2018 7:03pm
jtiger12 wrote:
That was embarrassing. Our series is clearly 2nd class(IMHO)
I'm pretty embarrassed too.
But, line up the same riders at a Supercross track and see what the results are.
Things would've been much different if it was dry also.
Moto is only half the year and a lot less $ on the line.
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10/7/2018 7:11pm
twotwosix wrote:
I did not see them ride their asses off. I'm sure they tried hard, but they almost didn't qualify and they got beat by quite a...
I did not see them ride their asses off. I'm sure they tried hard, but they almost didn't qualify and they got beat by quite a few riders that truly aren't on their talent/skill/professional level today. If we're being honest, let's just call it for what it was.

I mean, it was a wet RedBud track that was still in good enough shape to jump Larocco's Leap. No excuses really.
"I mean, it was a wet RedBud track that was still in good enough shape to jump Larocco's Leap. No excuses really."

Period...end of story.

Part of racing is being able to ride any track under any condition. Just ask bob hannah. Until a us rider finally won a moto at the world championship at Carlsbad, the europeans always won it, and it was usually hard and dry which the us riders were used to and the europeans weren't yet they still kicked our asses. People need to quit whining about track conditions and quit makin excuses.


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10/7/2018 7:12pm
American dominance seems to have died with Carmichael retiring. #oddstuff
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10/7/2018 7:13pm
Ferrandis looked pretty damn good for an 'AMA Rider that got smoked'.
yeah but even he didn't have much for riders from the allegedly soft MX2 class.
Everyone needs to stop treating the Matthes Squad as the absolute authority on these things.
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10/7/2018 7:16pm
Keep in mind that professional sports matter very little in the grand scheme of things.

One could argue they exist as entertainment and a distraction to the peasant class to take their cognitive focus away from the fact that they work to benefit and make money for other people and pay taxes to make money for other people. They were essentially bred into slavery.

Without such distractions we may have to reevaluate our American way of life. We can't have that!



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10/7/2018 11:03pm
bsharkey wrote:
One thing to consider is plessenger and ferrandis are both ama riders and ride for the same team. How do you explain that? What I'm trying...
One thing to consider is plessenger and ferrandis are both ama riders and ride for the same team. How do you explain that? What I'm trying to say is Fernandis has been in America for for quite some time now he rides both Supercross and Motocross but yet today he came through just fine. I know some of you won't like this and find it disrespectful but I think they need a different team manager someone who's young has enthusiasm I think Rodger is just too old. How about someone like Carmichael or Villopoto someone that's respected but still with the times
I wouldn't say age is a factor, maybe more being comfortable with having achieved so much and a lack of 'hunger'. How about some tough love and three bags of cement?
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10/7/2018 11:59pm
jtiger12 wrote:
That was embarrassing. Our series is clearly 2nd class(IMHO)
theesloth wrote:
I'm pretty embarrassed too. But, line up the same riders at a Supercross track and see what the results are. Things would've been much different if...
I'm pretty embarrassed too.
But, line up the same riders at a Supercross track and see what the results are.
Things would've been much different if it was dry also.
Moto is only half the year and a lot less $ on the line.
GFYS if there no excuse anymore, bring up supercross. Your team got smoked big time, they looked like amateurs.
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10/8/2018 12:11am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2018 12:24am
davistld01 wrote:
Hell, no wonder Herlings says he can’t wait to come to America to race Tomac & Roczen. Maybe he wouldn’t beat them in SX the first...
Hell, no wonder Herlings says he can’t wait to come to America to race Tomac & Roczen. Maybe he wouldn’t beat them in SX the first year, but looks like he & several others could spank that American ass in the Outdoors. It’s sad. I hope to hell this is a wake up call!

I’ll bet RJ & Glover we’re embarrassed after that show.
Yea probably but for some reason when euros come here, which a lot do, none of them dominate just like we wouldnt over there. 250s went Jeremy Martin to Cooper Webb to Osborne to AP. Then 450s were Villopoto to Dungey to Ando/ Eli. Roczen is the last European rider over here in the 450s now to win a championship a few years ago. Even the 250 riders dont win championships either its Americans and these are Euros that can supposedly ride every type of track and are faster so youd think itd be cake when they come to these “easy” tracks vs these slow riders. Whats going on there? Its weird. Something weird is going on at this event lately with us, I dont care what you say we know our riders are faster than this and we know Eli is faster than he rode. He prob isnt on Herlings level, maybe on a good day, but hes most likely the 2nd fastest rider in the world when hes on. So I dont get what the hell happened to this team and AP? Wtf... I kind of think theyre pussying out because sx is our main series not mx so the real season starts soon and they dont wanna screw up their meal ticket from a 1 off race, idk.

Eli clearly hates this race, in his post race int he didnt care at all. Wtf dude. Dont send him next year send Anderson since he already won a moto and (relax when I say this but) he even beat Herlings on an mx track, even tho hes one of those crappy Americans that cant ride motocross anymore. Send Ando next year. Actually if Eli actually will go him and Ando would be badass, but idk hes not all in. But just like wed have trouble over there they seem to have trouble over here too over the full series. I wonder how Anderson would have done in mx and how sx will go. He may be the American we need but dont deserve.
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10/8/2018 12:30am
hamncheeze wrote:
Bro if there was a Snowcross of Nations we would hammer the world.
...Dont be so sure. In that competition Finns could be pretty good also. Wink
10/8/2018 12:36am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2018 12:43am
TbonesPop wrote:
I think this also is a testament to just how much of a badass Herlings is. When he's your top rider (by far), this pushes everyone...
I think this also is a testament to just how much of a badass Herlings is. When he's your top rider (by far), this pushes everyone else to get faster - which they obviously have gotten. The top rider of each series sets the tone for the series. We have Tomac who set the tone for the US series. He could barely crack the top 5 once against the GP racers. Look at Roczen and Barcia - they weren't competitive either. This says less about where riders are from and is far more indicative about the competition level in the MXGP series and their top riders.
Yes absolutely, the boys over there have had a hard time matching it with the best, Fevbre and Gajsers championships were done at an amazing pace now they have to deal with Herlings.

Anyway to the bitter American fans, the "loss" would be much easier to deal with if you didn't talk shut and actually take the time to watch mxgp, if you watched their races it would be easier to come to terms that the current crop of AMA riders have their work cut out for them.

I personally was a strictly AMA mx and sx watcher due to the likes of RC JS and RV but when those boys retired it was obvious no one in the AMA has the talent and determination they had, thanks to RV going over to MXGP I found out how good the MXGP guys are.
10/8/2018 12:41am
Looking at the individual performances. The 250 outdoor champion is the 8th best 250 rider of the weekend, just behind the 4th of the EMX250 class. Just saying...
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10/8/2018 1:23am
The three Americans that say yes to going and playing in the Dutch sand in 19 after yesterday will have my full respect. That will be seriously tough.
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10/8/2018 1:26am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2018 1:29am
The AMA rider who surprised me the most wasn't Tomac but Roczen, he started 4th in moto3 and finished 9th ? So it's not all about the start as some people say, the euro guys really deserve their credits.
What exactly happened to Roczen? Even Nagl was faster than him, this is probably gonna be remembered as the weirdest MXoN ever, or at least for me. What about Lupino performance in moto3, coulda been a 4th place if he didn't let Tony pass, it was the best placement of the year for him, just like Nagl I guess Woohoo
on Saturday Lupino said he suffered a neck pain after 8 minutes losing two position to JVH and Seewer and I was like wow good luck tomorrow trying to hold the pain for 60 minutes racing Smile
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10/8/2018 1:46am
twotwosix wrote:
The biggest surprise for me was Plessinger, the back to back champ, who is tall, and an offroad specialist, struggle so badly on this wet, rough...
The biggest surprise for me was Plessinger, the back to back champ, who is tall, and an offroad specialist, struggle so badly on this wet, rough track...
He won the championship but got beat by Ferrandis - So MXON once off is not a true measure - Most of these riders compete with each other all the time all year. For the USA is most an exceptional race. Once off once a year to the MXGP crowd it is basically much of the same they have been doing all year long. Show how much a mental game it is ! MXGP riders came in with way more momentum from their series than the AMA had left after theirs ..
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10/8/2018 5:40am
RG95 wrote:
The AMA rider who surprised me the most wasn't Tomac but Roczen, he started 4th in moto3 and finished 9th ? So it's not all about...
The AMA rider who surprised me the most wasn't Tomac but Roczen, he started 4th in moto3 and finished 9th ? So it's not all about the start as some people say, the euro guys really deserve their credits.
What exactly happened to Roczen? Even Nagl was faster than him, this is probably gonna be remembered as the weirdest MXoN ever, or at least for me. What about Lupino performance in moto3, coulda been a 4th place if he didn't let Tony pass, it was the best placement of the year for him, just like Nagl I guess Woohoo
on Saturday Lupino said he suffered a neck pain after 8 minutes losing two position to JVH and Seewer and I was like wow good luck tomorrow trying to hold the pain for 60 minutes racing Smile
Your point about Roczen is exactly what I thought yesterday watching the races.
First of all, as a German I am big fan of Roczen and Nagl.

And just like you, I was surprised that Roczen couldn't do more with his good start in the 3rd Moto. I know he is coming back from injury, but in the last few AMA races he at least had the speed for 20-25 minutes before dropping off the pace. Yesterday it didn't take long and Nagl passed him. Nagl, who clearly had a so-so year to his standards, is also just 2 weeks back after being injured for 10 weeks without training. Kind of made me wonder whats up with Roczens speed.
I mean after Tomac and Musquin he clearly was the third best rider in the AMA, but he couldn't hang with the top 6-7 in moto 3 yesterday.

But I read in a statement from Team Germany that he had some "bike issues" during the weekend. Well...
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10/8/2018 5:52am
Yesterday was definitely a disappointing thing to watch unfold for a USA fan. I still don't have much to say about it..

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