LaRocco's leap staying for MX of nations

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JD167 9/27/2018 3:11am
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baconandeggs wrote:
Anyone thinking the top GP riders are incapable of jumping the leap is an idiot. I've even seen one of the Irish team talking about his...
Anyone thinking the top GP riders are incapable of jumping the leap is an idiot. I've even seen one of the Irish team talking about his excitement at jumping it.
Every time this whole leap thing gets brought up I think to myself "has no one ever watched a gp?" The leap is big but jumping it is not some impossible feat.
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JFerry 9/27/2018 3:17am
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This is a Mxgp event. Don't expect too much jump, jump and jump. Track will be rough. Jump launches will be covered with sand. Ruts will form there.
Jumps are for Silly Xcross. Men like motocross.
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JFerry 9/27/2018 3:21am
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Anyone thinking the top GP riders are incapable of jumping the leap is an idiot. I've even seen one of the Irish team talking about his...
Anyone thinking the top GP riders are incapable of jumping the leap is an idiot. I've even seen one of the Irish team talking about his excitement at jumping it.
MX2 boys will have to kick the rear brake to come down. Americans should worry more about corner speed that about jumps that are irrelevant at that level.
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Prejump 9/27/2018 3:23am
9/27/2018 3:23am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2018 3:23am
I would have thought all the MXGP regulars would look forward to the leap each lap as with all big jumps it's a chance to have a breather & chill of a couple secs.

Nothing technical about it. Lommel, valkensvaad, Assen would have more challenging jumps that are half the size.
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pkiczuk 9/27/2018 3:40am
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OMGGGG this has been covered a bazillion times, leap stays, same size as it was before. As already stated, they're taking out the hockey stick prior, which was a retarded thing anyways. And the sand roller they put in for the vet race will not be there. When people say otherwise, please state your sources, the stuff I listed above has been officially announced. I don't know whats more frustrating, the people who say things are changing with out official word, or the people who immediately believe them.

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motomike137 9/27/2018 3:57am
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Nobody is questioning whether the MXGP boys can jump the thing. The point is depending on how deep, rough and rutted the approach gets it can get tricky and especially difficult on a 250. During the national we often see a mixture of guys jumping/not jumping. It is not real technical but it is a signature part of the track and time can be made or lost depending on technique over it.
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dsmith 9/27/2018 6:13am
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red bud just would not be red bud without laroccos leap
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motomike137 wrote:
Nobody is questioning whether the MXGP boys can jump the thing. The point is depending on how deep, rough and rutted the approach gets it can...
Nobody is questioning whether the MXGP boys can jump the thing. The point is depending on how deep, rough and rutted the approach gets it can get tricky and especially difficult on a 250. During the national we often see a mixture of guys jumping/not jumping. It is not real technical but it is a signature part of the track and time can be made or lost depending on technique over it.
I think the GP boys have the rough/rut side of things covered.


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Moto96 9/27/2018 6:52am
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16 years after Bubba jumped it on a 125, they want to make it smaller. LMAO.
Watch and see how many thumbs down this gets! hahaha


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pkiczuk wrote:
OMGGGG this has been covered a bazillion times, leap stays, same size as it was before. As already stated, they're taking out the hockey stick prior...
OMGGGG this has been covered a bazillion times, leap stays, same size as it was before. As already stated, they're taking out the hockey stick prior, which was a retarded thing anyways. And the sand roller they put in for the vet race will not be there. When people say otherwise, please state your sources, the stuff I listed above has been officially announced. I don't know whats more frustrating, the people who say things are changing with out official word, or the people who immediately believe them.

also...U.S.A. !!!
"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy somewhere else, Im sure your gay chat rooms are a better fit than here. There's always one...
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Wilson116 9/27/2018 7:16am
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For vetfest in august there was a roller infront of it. With that roller they put in and as sandy as the track is now, it...
For vetfest in august there was a roller infront of it. With that roller they put in and as sandy as the track is now, it was clear the goal was noone jumping it. Im guessing the 250 vs 450 is the reason for worry? 450 riders doing it around 250 riders that dont would be sketchy.

So it the setup going to be the same as vetfest?
Seen it done on a 250 2-stoke a couple weeks ago.
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pkiczuk 9/27/2018 7:26am
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"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy...
"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy somewhere else, Im sure your gay chat rooms are a better fit than here. There's always one...
I'm not going to derail this thread any more than this, you don't have to like my post. Maybe you consider it poor attitude and energy, fine. Maybe you're fucking retarded, fine. But I really feel like you should come up with something better than "my gay chat rooms are a better fit than here" if you're going to insult me. Also, there's always more than one. Have a wonderful day, hows that for attitude and energy guy?
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MotoMo165 9/27/2018 7:36am
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This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have a jump the 450s can gloss over and the 250s have to hit all their marks to clear it. It’s common sense
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motomike137 9/27/2018 8:08am
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motomike137 wrote:
Nobody is questioning whether the MXGP boys can jump the thing. The point is depending on how deep, rough and rutted the approach gets it can...
Nobody is questioning whether the MXGP boys can jump the thing. The point is depending on how deep, rough and rutted the approach gets it can get tricky and especially difficult on a 250. During the national we often see a mixture of guys jumping/not jumping. It is not real technical but it is a signature part of the track and time can be made or lost depending on technique over it.
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I think the GP boys have the rough/rut side of things covered. [img]https://storage.kawasaki.eu/public/kawasaki.eu/en-EU/racingNews/th_DESALLE_GP14_PH_3566.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/stories/2018/03/19/max_racevalkenswaard18_23_of_32_330695.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/08/03/99829/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
I think the GP boys have the rough/rut side of things covered.


My point was that the MXGP guys are fully capable. But what happens even in the 450 class is that the run up to it can get really beat up. I'm thinking that they will take extra care in grooming the run up and maybe even give them a little better run at it. They are taking out the hockey stick they had the last couple of years and I'm thinking they might move the corner before it back a little ways. Back when the 2smokes jumped it (including many 125's) the track didn't get ripped as deep, didn't have as much sand in it and it seemed like they had a longer run at it.

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ktmdan 9/27/2018 8:12am
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500guy wrote:
any reduction in difficulty is only geared towards making the slower teams more safe , has nothing to do with the top 20 from either series.
soren346 wrote:
Soooo... Why not make it smaller for all the "slow guys" that don't jump it during the National?
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I think because the guys at the back during a National are still faster than the guys from, lets say, Iceland, Philippines or Ukraine.
You got 250's racing 450's. It makes sense to chop it down a bit.
jorgechavez 9/27/2018 8:17am
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JFerry wrote:
This is a Mxgp event. Don't expect too much jump, jump and jump. Track will be rough. Jump launches will be covered with sand. Ruts will...
This is a Mxgp event. Don't expect too much jump, jump and jump. Track will be rough. Jump launches will be covered with sand. Ruts will form there.
Jumps are for Silly Xcross. Men like motocross.
I'll take the bait on this very obvious attempt to troll.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with Red Bud or the layout that will be used for this years MXdN but the only thing removed from the track is two sections that have no jumps whatsoever. They removed the real steep off camber turn (no idea why) and the "hockey stick" before the leap.
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DoubleA 9/27/2018 8:20am
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My point was that the MXGP guys [u]are[/u] fully capable. But what happens even in the 450 class is that the run up to it can...
My point was that the MXGP guys are fully capable. But what happens even in the 450 class is that the run up to it can get really beat up. I'm thinking that they will take extra care in grooming the run up and maybe even give them a little better run at it. They are taking out the hockey stick they had the last couple of years and I'm thinking they might move the corner before it back a little ways. Back when the 2smokes jumped it (including many 125's) the track didn't get ripped as deep, didn't have as much sand in it and it seemed like they had a longer run at it.

Normally after each race there will be like a 10-20min slot for them to a bit of track work where needed, also after Saturday they will have a good idea how much the track will chew up, so can prep it according for the next day.
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Prntscrn 9/27/2018 8:25am
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The danger isn't the jump itself. The guys who can handle it will jump it and those who feel they don't have it won't. The danger with such a jump in my opinion in a race like this is the difference in speed. There will be guys out there that absolutely shouldn't be out there. Sure it's a big thing for them but when the speed differ so much it's dangerous. Some will get lapped after just a few laps and that's the potential danger with a jump like Laroccos leap. Top guys will come up on them soooo fast

I'd say don't remove such a jump, make sure guys who doesn't have the speed won't be out there.
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Flip109 9/27/2018 8:45am
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Seen the GP guys jump some crazy shit. Even in whooped out ass sand. The leap for a top pro is just an after thought on a 450. I think they are honestly all looking forward to racing on such an iconic American track. They will Iove the dirt and layout. Will be some epic racing! The fans will be bonkers esp if Tomac is battling with Herlings. It will get insane. The back and forth about this jump is fucking stupid. It’s not that big of a deal. Unless you are from India or some shit I guess lol
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Dirty Points 9/27/2018 8:48am
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MotoMo165 wrote:
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have...
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have a jump the 450s can gloss over and the 250s have to hit all their marks to clear it. It’s common sense
I don't see why that's common sense.

Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some large advantage, you might try to ride that displacement, or you take your knocks there and beat them elsewhere on the track. Thats how every other "open" race Ive ever seen plays out.

Its perfectly fair. It's not as if the rules say that France can ride a 450 in Open, but Belgium has to ride a 250. The rules say the open rider can ride any qualifying mxgp/mx2 bike.
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mx317 9/27/2018 10:22am
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Moto96 wrote:
16 years after Bubba jumped it on a 125, they want to make it smaller. LMAO. Watch and see how many thumbs down this gets! hahaha...
16 years after Bubba jumped it on a 125, they want to make it smaller. LMAO.
Watch and see how many thumbs down this gets! hahaha


Not the same jump, not even in the same place (close).
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ga_pike 9/27/2018 10:23am
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Clearing the leap won't be an issue for anyone with the hockey stick removed. It's back to the longer run up like it used to be when 125's were jumping it.

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Jimmy638 9/27/2018 10:30am
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It never was going to be removed, it was a rumor started on here by someone who wanted it removed for the race. It will be...
It never was going to be removed, it was a rumor started on here by someone who wanted it removed for the race.

It will be the same size as always, they are just omitting the hockey stick turn before it. This has all been announced a while ago.
And the starting gate moved so the track goes to the right first.
Think I seen in the vid a glimpse of where they moved it just to take the left hander out.
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Press516 9/27/2018 11:13am
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MotoMo165 wrote:
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have...
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have a jump the 450s can gloss over and the 250s have to hit all their marks to clear it. It’s common sense
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I don't see why that's common sense. Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some...
I don't see why that's common sense.

Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some large advantage, you might try to ride that displacement, or you take your knocks there and beat them elsewhere on the track. Thats how every other "open" race Ive ever seen plays out.

Its perfectly fair. It's not as if the rules say that France can ride a 450 in Open, but Belgium has to ride a 250. The rules say the open rider can ride any qualifying mxgp/mx2 bike.
I think the point being made is that there will be 250's and 450's in the same moto.... Even if it's a different class, the danger of the speed differential will stand out more. MXGP and MX2 in race 1 and Open and MX2 in race 2...
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JFerry 9/27/2018 11:40am
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MotoMo165 wrote:
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have...
This year at redbud only a handful of 250 guys were able to clear it. The mxdn has the open class, wouldn’t be fair to have a jump the 450s can gloss over and the 250s have to hit all their marks to clear it. It’s common sense
Dirty Points wrote:
I don't see why that's common sense. Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some...
I don't see why that's common sense.

Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some large advantage, you might try to ride that displacement, or you take your knocks there and beat them elsewhere on the track. Thats how every other "open" race Ive ever seen plays out.

Its perfectly fair. It's not as if the rules say that France can ride a 450 in Open, but Belgium has to ride a 250. The rules say the open rider can ride any qualifying mxgp/mx2 bike.
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I think the point being made is that there will be 250's and 450's in the same moto.... Even if it's a different class, the danger...
I think the point being made is that there will be 250's and 450's in the same moto.... Even if it's a different class, the danger of the speed differential will stand out more. MXGP and MX2 in race 1 and Open and MX2 in race 2...
Well, the real speed difference is 2 seconds per lap, with thw first MX2 rider coming in the first 5/6 of MXGP.
Next drama from american fellows will be that Herlings is petrified with the idea of facing the outrageous Laroccos-leap.
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"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy...
"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy somewhere else, Im sure your gay chat rooms are a better fit than here. There's always one...
pkiczuk wrote:
I'm not going to derail this thread any more than this, you don't have to like my post. Maybe you consider it poor attitude and energy...
I'm not going to derail this thread any more than this, you don't have to like my post. Maybe you consider it poor attitude and energy, fine. Maybe you're fucking retarded, fine. But I really feel like you should come up with something better than "my gay chat rooms are a better fit than here" if you're going to insult me. Also, there's always more than one. Have a wonderful day, hows that for attitude and energy guy?
How about you reframe from using ignorant terms and be aware that the R word is just as offensive as the N word and other "terms" ... Gives a pretty good insight on your mindset. And intelligence. Guy.
Thanks, come again Smile
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Dirty Points wrote:
I don't see why that's common sense. Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some...
I don't see why that's common sense.

Common sense would seem to me, that if you are in open class and one qualifying displacement has some large advantage, you might try to ride that displacement, or you take your knocks there and beat them elsewhere on the track. Thats how every other "open" race Ive ever seen plays out.

Its perfectly fair. It's not as if the rules say that France can ride a 450 in Open, but Belgium has to ride a 250. The rules say the open rider can ride any qualifying mxgp/mx2 bike.
Press516 wrote:
I think the point being made is that there will be 250's and 450's in the same moto.... Even if it's a different class, the danger...
I think the point being made is that there will be 250's and 450's in the same moto.... Even if it's a different class, the danger of the speed differential will stand out more. MXGP and MX2 in race 1 and Open and MX2 in race 2...
JFerry wrote:
Well, the real speed difference is 2 seconds per lap, with thw first MX2 rider coming in the first 5/6 of MXGP. Next drama from american...
Well, the real speed difference is 2 seconds per lap, with thw first MX2 rider coming in the first 5/6 of MXGP.
Next drama from american fellows will be that Herlings is petrified with the idea of facing the outrageous Laroccos-leap.
Interesting how the Euro trolls come out this time of year only to disappear and return the next year with a new name to troll with....
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jemcee 9/27/2018 5:47pm
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I do hope the 250's can jump it easy cause if not it essentially takes the 250 riders out of contention for a good result in the race.. and sure it'll be the same for all of them but still, it's cool seeing the 250's up there in the standings
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soren346 wrote:
"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy...
"It's been covered a bazillion times"... Well there's two pages of us talking about it so apparently theres some confusion. Take your poor attitude and energy somewhere else, Im sure your gay chat rooms are a better fit than here. There's always one...
pkiczuk wrote:
I'm not going to derail this thread any more than this, you don't have to like my post. Maybe you consider it poor attitude and energy...
I'm not going to derail this thread any more than this, you don't have to like my post. Maybe you consider it poor attitude and energy, fine. Maybe you're fucking retarded, fine. But I really feel like you should come up with something better than "my gay chat rooms are a better fit than here" if you're going to insult me. Also, there's always more than one. Have a wonderful day, hows that for attitude and energy guy?
soren346 wrote:
How about you reframe from using ignorant terms and be aware that the R word is just as offensive as the N word and other "terms"...
How about you reframe from using ignorant terms and be aware that the R word is just as offensive as the N word and other "terms" ... Gives a pretty good insight on your mindset. And intelligence. Guy.
Thanks, come again Smile
Says the guy that threw out 'gay' as an ignorant slur
I think you've both got room to improve your attitudes.. Maybe start with not concerning yourself with being the big dick in a mx forum
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