MXGP silly season18/19

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9/19/2018 5:03am
maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is...
maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is a great talent and rider , had good results in MX2 and in MXGP but its getting weird no team wants to sign him ...

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2012 suzuki
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2016 husqvarna MX2
2017 husqvarna MXGP
Hes been on 2 teams in the last 5years?
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9/19/2018 1:48pm
themrtoad wrote:
So if this is true regadring MXGP Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again) Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)...
So if this is true regadring MXGP

Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass
Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again)
Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)
Rinaldi Yamaha: Febvre, Seewer
Wilvo Yamaha: Paulin, ?
Kawasaki: Desalle, Lieber
Van Gebbenroy: Lupino, Paturel
Asso Motor Honda: ?, ?
Marchetti KTM: To disappear?
Hitachi KTM: Anstie?
Bos Kawasaki: Bobryshev, Searle
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team?

While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on simply the Factory Red Bull KTM team?

Same equipment & support but separate teams. Or has this changed for 2019?
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9/19/2018 2:05pm
Bidirella wrote:
I still dont get why Jonass is moving up. The last half year he is a big struggle and is gonna lose the title. Why not...
I still dont get why Jonass is moving up. The last half year he is a big struggle and is gonna lose the title. Why not stay down one last year and go for the title and win some races...

In the MXGP he is just another guy who is getting top 10 results and sometimes top 5.
He was killing it at the start of the season and expected to go up at 2x Champion, not someone getting beaten by his younger team mate , amongst others.
9/19/2018 2:25pm
maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is...
maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is a great talent and rider , had good results in MX2 and in MXGP but its getting weird no team wants to sign him ...

2010 yamaha
2011 kawasaki
2012 suzuki
2013 honda
2014 yamaha
2015 kawasaki
2016 husqvarna MX2
2017 husqvarna MXGP
This is what I tried to say when the news broke Max is out at Husky. Behind the scenes stuff plays a role.
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maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is...
maybe there is a reason why Anstie has raced for all brands and teams in such a short time ??he changed teams every year .Hhe is a great talent and rider , had good results in MX2 and in MXGP but its getting weird no team wants to sign him ...

2010 yamaha
2011 kawasaki
2012 suzuki
2013 honda
2014 yamaha
2015 kawasaki
2016 husqvarna MX2
2017 husqvarna MXGP
This is what I tried to say when the news broke Max is out at Husky. Behind the scenes stuff plays a role.
Agreed, and usually, people who are a nightmare to deal with, have no idea they are a nightmare to deal with .

I still dont see anyone more deserving of the seat though. His injuries this year really havent helped him.
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9/19/2018 3:19pm
themrtoad wrote:
So if this is true regadring MXGP Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again) Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)...
So if this is true regadring MXGP

Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass
Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again)
Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)
Rinaldi Yamaha: Febvre, Seewer
Wilvo Yamaha: Paulin, ?
Kawasaki: Desalle, Lieber
Van Gebbenroy: Lupino, Paturel
Asso Motor Honda: ?, ?
Marchetti KTM: To disappear?
Hitachi KTM: Anstie?
Bos Kawasaki: Bobryshev, Searle
Paul333 wrote:
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team? While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on...
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team?

While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on simply the Factory Red Bull KTM team?

Same equipment & support but separate teams. Or has this changed for 2019?
Technically Same team but different trucks, managers etc. Its like lets say burger king, burger King is burger King wherever you go even tho you can find them in different places. Its two separate parts of the same team.
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9/19/2018 11:52pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2018 11:54pm
themrtoad wrote:
So if this is true regadring MXGP Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again) Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)...
So if this is true regadring MXGP

Husqvarna: Jasikonis, Jonass
Red Bull KTM: JH84, AC222, Coldenhoff(out of Standing again)
Standing Construct: Montecelli, Van Horebeek(to replace Coldenhoff)
Rinaldi Yamaha: Febvre, Seewer
Wilvo Yamaha: Paulin, ?
Kawasaki: Desalle, Lieber
Van Gebbenroy: Lupino, Paturel
Asso Motor Honda: ?, ?
Marchetti KTM: To disappear?
Hitachi KTM: Anstie?
Bos Kawasaki: Bobryshev, Searle
Paul333 wrote:
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team? While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on...
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team?

While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on simply the Factory Red Bull KTM team?

Same equipment & support but separate teams. Or has this changed for 2019?
Rs444 wrote:
Technically Same team but different trucks, managers etc. Its like lets say burger king, burger King is burger King wherever you go even tho you can...
Technically Same team but different trucks, managers etc. Its like lets say burger king, burger King is burger King wherever you go even tho you can find them in different places. Its two separate parts of the same team.
Not exactly. My understanding is that Herlings’ team is factory KTM and what used to be the 250 team. Cairoli’s team is Claudio deCarli’s private team which runs what was the 450 effort on behalf of KTM. Those lines are blurred now as Herlings rides 450 out of the KTM ‘250’ truck and Prado rides 250 out of deCarli’s ’450’ truck.

I believe that Cairoli is part-owner of the deCarli team.

David Bulmer would know more than me on this.
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9/20/2018 5:58am Edited Date/Time 9/20/2018 6:01am
Paul333 wrote:
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team? While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on...
Doesn't Cairoli & Jorge Prado (MX2) technically race on the Red Bull Factory KTM De Carli team?

While Herlings, Coldenhoff, and Pauls Jonass (MX2) race on simply the Factory Red Bull KTM team?

Same equipment & support but separate teams. Or has this changed for 2019?
Rs444 wrote:
Technically Same team but different trucks, managers etc. Its like lets say burger king, burger King is burger King wherever you go even tho you can...
Technically Same team but different trucks, managers etc. Its like lets say burger king, burger King is burger King wherever you go even tho you can find them in different places. Its two separate parts of the same team.
Robgvx wrote:
Not exactly. My understanding is that Herlings’ team is factory KTM and what used to be the 250 team. Cairoli’s team is Claudio deCarli’s private team...
Not exactly. My understanding is that Herlings’ team is factory KTM and what used to be the 250 team. Cairoli’s team is Claudio deCarli’s private team which runs what was the 450 effort on behalf of KTM. Those lines are blurred now as Herlings rides 450 out of the KTM ‘250’ truck and Prado rides 250 out of deCarli’s ’450’ truck.

I believe that Cairoli is part-owner of the deCarli team.

David Bulmer would know more than me on this.
Yes grubels team was not supposed to be a 450 team at all as far as i know but i recon herlings or gc didnt want to go to italy so the made some deals there that gave gc and jh the option to stay close to home and prado a chance to train with tc and stay in a country with a similar culture and biotope.
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9/20/2018 7:00am
No, Herlings demanded his 'own' team and didn't want to be in 1 team with his main rival. If they wanted to put him at Decarli next to Cairoli than Herlings would have left KTM. Coldenhoff was still at Decarli last year with Cairoli.

This year they swapped Coldenhoff and Prado, mostly because they didn't want Prado and Jonass under 1 tent.
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9/20/2018 10:04am
Anyone know who will be the second rider for Honda 114?
Livia Lancelot said they found a replacement for Hunter Lawrence who will be a podium threat.
Bas Vaessen still has a contract through next year
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9/20/2018 11:28am
Yeah Vaessen is in for 114 for next year according to Motocross Nederland.

As for a rider that could be podium threats, i think that is probably pr speak because i think most podium contenders are taken except maybe Mewse? My guess would be a Rubini or Larranaga. Both got a top 5 in 18 iirc. With another year under the belt and no Jonass and Covington you could theoretically speak of podium contender but is more pr speak.
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9/20/2018 11:41am
Something has to be done with the MX2 rules. If removing the age rule is not an option at least change it to 25, 23 is way too low.

Like RG3 mentioned earlier in the thread. MX2 and the MXGP class is in big trouble. Too many riders are ageing out next year and there aren't enough 450 rides.
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9/20/2018 12:06pm
Next year there also will be a new Dutch MXGP team, Hutten Metaal Yamaha racing. They did this year a few wildcard with Dutch rider Sven van de mierden who got 9 points at the GP of Assen.

Next year they will do all Euro GPs with Micha boy De Waal and Sven van de mierden in the MXGP class.

The teamboss wants to grow to a team like Wilvo, so with a bit off luck the MXGP class got 2 more seats at the end off 2019...
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9/20/2018 1:22pm
Bidirella wrote:
Next year there also will be a new Dutch MXGP team, Hutten Metaal Yamaha racing. They did this year a few wildcard with Dutch rider Sven...
Next year there also will be a new Dutch MXGP team, Hutten Metaal Yamaha racing. They did this year a few wildcard with Dutch rider Sven van de mierden who got 9 points at the GP of Assen.

Next year they will do all Euro GPs with Micha boy De Waal and Sven van de mierden in the MXGP class.

The teamboss wants to grow to a team like Wilvo, so with a bit off luck the MXGP class got 2 more seats at the end off 2019...
Good to see another team, Van De Mierden has been decent in a stacked field, De Waal has been around a bit but i think he is where he is... that said, you would have said the same about Lupino, and he has improved a lot in the last 12 months.
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Good to see another team, Van De Mierden has been decent in a stacked field, De Waal has been around a bit but i think he...
Good to see another team, Van De Mierden has been decent in a stacked field, De Waal has been around a bit but i think he is where he is... that said, you would have said the same about Lupino, and he has improved a lot in the last 12 months.
De Waal needs to move up to the MXGP because of the age rule. I think with a better bike he could have done much better in GPMX2, he was beating Weltin also every time, Weltin got on the Kawa and is a top 10 guy execpt Assen.

Time will tell How a 450 will fit him, I think if he can make some points here en there its a good season for him (also for van de mierden)
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9/21/2018 12:49am
He was on a 450 before, not a big succes. Kid is always racing over the limit. This season he also crashed week in week out. On a 450 it will end up in tears again.
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Sound like Tixier has found a home too. Its falling into place slowly.
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philG wrote:
Sound like Tixier has found a home too. Its falling into place slowly.
Yes, VHR Racing Team has already confirmed their deal for 2019.
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9/24/2018 6:23am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2018 6:23am
We'll probably see another MXGP Team next year, at least for the european rounds.
Team JWR from Sweden is searching for brands/riders.
https://mxvice.com/81707/chatter-box-team-jwr
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9/24/2018 10:14pm
Keefer just said on Pulp that the YZ won his shootout. I'm not sure if that is new info or not- says Kawi was second closest.
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9/25/2018 7:13am
Paulin to WILVO just got confirmed!
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Pualin signed his deal:

Yamaha Motor Europe is pleased to announce the signing of Gautier Paulin to the Wilvo Yamaha Official MXGP Team where he will race a YZ450F along side teammate Arnaud Tonus in the 2019 MXGP World Championship.

As one of the most talented riders in the world, Paulin already has an incredible list of achievements. The 28 year-old Frenchman has won 11 Grand Prix rounds, three in MX2 and eight in MXGP, and has stood on the podium 52 times, 18 times in MX2 and 34 in MXGP. He has claimed 19 race wins in total throughout that time, three were on a 250cc in the MX2 class, and 14 were aboard a 450cc inside the premier class, MXGP.

The incredibly talented Frenchman won the EMX250 Championship in 2007 and in that same year he made his FIM Motocross World Championship debut as a wild-card entry in the MX2 class at six of the 15 rounds where his best race finish was a fourth-place in Northern Ireland. His 2008 season was cut-short by injury meaning his first full term in MX2 was in 2009 where he won three rounds and finished the season as the bronze medalist.

In 2011, he stepped up to the premier class formerly known as 'MX1' and now named 'MXGP', where he won the opening round in Fermo, Italy, onboard a Yamaha YZ450FM, and that was the same bike he took to victory at the 2011 Motocross of Nations in Saint Jean d'Angely, France, where he was the captain of the 'Home Team'. Having missed most of the 2011 season due to injury, Paulin was back with a vengeance in 2012 where he finished third in the MXGP championship classification in what was practically his rookie year.

In 2015, the French star finished as the runner-up in the MXGP World Championship, and then went on to add one more medal to his tally with yet another bronze inside the premier class in 2017.

In addition to his individual achievements, the French phenomenon has had the honor of representing his nation at the prestigious Monster Energy Motocross of Nations on nine occasions where he has played a vital role in the teams' success, that includes four gold medals, in 2014, '15, '16 and '17, and two silver medals, in 2009, and '11. He will represent Team France for a tenth time, alongside Yamaha Factory rider Dylan Ferrandis and Jordi Tixier, at the 2018 Monster Energy Motocross of Nations that will take place on the weekend of October 7th at the Red Bud circuit in Michigan, USA.

Erik Eggens
Yamaha Motor Europe MX Racing Manager
"We are very excited to have Gautier back on Yamaha and in Paddock Blue. He has always been a rider that can fight for podiums and he is definitely capable of challenging for race wins as well, and we saw that a few years back when he joined Yamaha and won his debut Grand Prix on a YZ450F, which is an outstanding achievement and something that not many riders can say they have done. We believe that with the support of the Wilvo Yamaha Official MXGP team he can still achieve these results, and this is something we look forward to. The team is very motivated and is a team that has shown great improvement and stability over the years, which is something a high caliber rider such as Gautier needs. With that said, we wish Gautier a warm welcome back, and we look forward to having him back on blue."

Louis Vosters
Wilvo Yamaha Official MXGP Team Owner
"I am really happy to have Gautier join us for the 2019 season. He is a fantastic rider and I am sure that with the right structure and the tools and support that we offer, he can make it back to the top of the MXGP World Championship. Also, together with his teammate Arnaud Tonus, I am convinced that these two great riders will make each other better and bring the results that we are looking for."
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9/25/2018 11:13am
Pauls Jonass to IceOne Husky seems like a done deal. KTM personel reportedly confirmed it last week at Valkenswaard where they held a media test ride for the factory KTM bikes.
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Pauls Jonass to IceOne Husky seems like a done deal. KTM personel reportedly confirmed it last week at Valkenswaard where they held a media test ride...
Pauls Jonass to IceOne Husky seems like a done deal. KTM personel reportedly confirmed it last week at Valkenswaard where they held a media test ride for the factory KTM bikes.
Why the hell had Coldenhoff to leave RB Ktm for...
9/25/2018 11:53am
Pauls Jonass to IceOne Husky seems like a done deal. KTM personel reportedly confirmed it last week at Valkenswaard where they held a media test ride...
Pauls Jonass to IceOne Husky seems like a done deal. KTM personel reportedly confirmed it last week at Valkenswaard where they held a media test ride for the factory KTM bikes.
Arofin wrote:
Why the hell had Coldenhoff to leave RB Ktm for...
I was thinking, Wilson in Coldenhoff his seat maybe?
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I was thinking, Wilson in Coldenhoff his seat maybe?
Never thought about that one, could be interesting...

Perhaps Anstie is another option for RB KTM? I think it's a better one than f.e. v Horebeek/Simpson
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Strange. I personally think that if Jonass goes to Ice1 that this decission is made after they told Coldenhoff to go. Cause Glenn is the perfect teammate for Herlings. Speaks the same language, doesn't complain and is1 of the riders who doesn't care being second rider, instead of a lot of other ego's. Now that I'm typing this, maybe that's the 'problem' with Pauls, he doesn't wanna be a second rider (behind Herlings). And at Ice1 he can be the number 1.

If it goes this way, I'm pretty sure the second rider at Red bull KTM will be a Scotshman :-)
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I was thinking, Wilson in Coldenhoff his seat maybe?
MitchMX wrote:
Never thought about that one, could be interesting...

Perhaps Anstie is another option for RB KTM? I think it's a better one than f.e. v Horebeek/Simpson
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