2019 450 Shootout - Updated

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yzrider53 8/19/2018 4:27pm
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We're anxiously waiting Smile
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datkin128 8/19/2018 7:48pm
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ML512 wrote:
I may have some inside info towards that being a bit off... I also know there's a Shootout coming out soon that has only one placing...
I may have some inside info towards that being a bit off...

I also know there's a Shootout coming out soon that has only one placing swapped with ours.
I’m guessing it’s transworld and the Kawi wins??? Wink
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Do anyone else find it fishy how the Honda and Kawi tied.... yet the KTM and Husky's never did. Its almost like they felt that they...
Do anyone else find it fishy how the Honda and Kawi tied.... yet the KTM and Husky's never did. Its almost like they felt that they had to separate them and say "NO this is NOT a white KTM" because it would fly in the face of what KTM is really doing here if they just came out and said yea since theyre literally the same bikes with a couple very small differences they tie. Instead they would make it so one would beat the other to create separation and the illusion of the two different bikes. Both great bikes btw....but come on guys. Yet in this years shootout two completely different bikes which undoubtably are much more different from each other than those two were miraculously tied. This makes absolutely ZEROOOO sense. Even in this very friggin shootout they didnt tie yet two completely different brands with two completely different bikes tied. When the Huskys first came out especially, they were literally 99.9% the exact same bike. Think about this...
Nope, clearly the result is not one you like but this is what their own opinions came out with, deal with it.

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abomination 8/19/2018 8:35pm
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life must be really confusing when you thinking things are required to be the same to tie.

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ML512 8/19/2018 10:21pm
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yzrider53 wrote:
We're anxiously waiting Smile
Just wrapped up a couple corrections. I'm crashing though, I'll hit the last update and refresh the homepage article around 6-7am-ish. I have my alarm set for 5am, should only take an hour to get it live.
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drt410 wrote:
Do anyone else find it fishy how the Honda and Kawi tied.... yet the KTM and Husky's never did. Its almost like they felt that they...
Do anyone else find it fishy how the Honda and Kawi tied.... yet the KTM and Husky's never did. Its almost like they felt that they had to separate them and say "NO this is NOT a white KTM" because it would fly in the face of what KTM is really doing here if they just came out and said yea since theyre literally the same bikes with a couple very small differences they tie. Instead they would make it so one would beat the other to create separation and the illusion of the two different bikes. Both great bikes btw....but come on guys. Yet in this years shootout two completely different bikes which undoubtably are much more different from each other than those two were miraculously tied. This makes absolutely ZEROOOO sense. Even in this very friggin shootout they didnt tie yet two completely different brands with two completely different bikes tied. When the Huskys first came out especially, they were literally 99.9% the exact same bike. Think about this...
This is about as brilliant as thinking that deer crossing signs are put there to tell the deer where to cross.
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Lynch 8/20/2018 8:33am
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Great read, might have to trade in my YZF 18 for a 19 if other tests rate them this much better than last year Woohoo
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TeamGreen 8/20/2018 9:43am
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I still have a hard time believing you didn't hold a gun to Caskey's head while telling him,"You CAN NOT PICK THE HONDA...AGAIN!"
Laughing
That dude loves his Honda's and his picks this year say A LOT about how good all the bikes are.
darren7878 8/20/2018 9:56am
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Lynch wrote:
Great read, might have to trade in my YZF 18 for a 19 if other tests rate them this much better than last year Woohoo
Or buy some 19 wheel spacers!! Smile
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ML512 8/20/2018 10:38am
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I still have a hard time believing you didn't hold a gun to Caskey's head while telling him,"You CAN NOT PICK THE HONDA...AGAIN!" :laugh: That dude...
I still have a hard time believing you didn't hold a gun to Caskey's head while telling him,"You CAN NOT PICK THE HONDA...AGAIN!"
Laughing
That dude loves his Honda's and his picks this year say A LOT about how good all the bikes are.
He hit me up a couple days later and asked if he could snag the Yamaha for the weekend...if he buys one, I'm gonna bust up and use that to prove Shootouts do something. That guy has bought something like ten CRF450Rs.
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MX47 8/20/2018 10:57am
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Or buy some 19 wheel spacers!! Smile
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that smart.
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mx317 8/20/2018 12:17pm
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darren7878 wrote:
Or buy some 19 wheel spacers!! Smile
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Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that...
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that smart.
It's more than the wheel spacers
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Lynch 8/20/2018 12:36pm
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darren7878 wrote:
Or buy some 19 wheel spacers!! Smile
MX47 wrote:
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that...
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that smart.
mx317 wrote:
It's more than the wheel spacers
Yep it's a few things more than that and even of you could interchange all the parts from a 19 to a 18 it would cost a bunch. Would rather spend that money later for a new one. + the last bike I owned before the Yamaha I did 212 hours on, don't wanna do that again Whistling
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MX47 wrote:
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that...
Does anyone know if this will work? Are the wheels, forks, swingarm exactly the same? Doesn't seem like that would work, but I am not that smart.
mx317 wrote:
It's more than the wheel spacers
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Yep it's a few things more than that and even of you could interchange all the parts from a 19 to a 18 it would cost...
Yep it's a few things more than that and even of you could interchange all the parts from a 19 to a 18 it would cost a bunch. Would rather spend that money later for a new one. + the last bike I owned before the Yamaha I did 212 hours on, don't wanna do that again Whistling
I'm thinking the mapping is avail from Yamaha...via your phone App...
The fork lugs shouldn't be too pricey/alternative parts avail...
Wheel spacers should be inexpensive...
Guts has seat foam for a good deal...

And the average guy would probably have his '18 revalved, too...
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mx317 8/20/2018 1:16pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm thinking the mapping is avail from Yamaha...via your phone App... The fork lugs shouldn't be too pricey/alternative parts avail... Wheel spacers should be inexpensive... Guts...
I'm thinking the mapping is avail from Yamaha...via your phone App...
The fork lugs shouldn't be too pricey/alternative parts avail...
Wheel spacers should be inexpensive...
Guts has seat foam for a good deal...

And the average guy would probably have his '18 revalved, too...
The starter upgrade might be pricey. I hope it fixes the starter clutch issues from last year.
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Lynch 8/20/2018 1:29pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm thinking the mapping is avail from Yamaha...via your phone App... The fork lugs shouldn't be too pricey/alternative parts avail... Wheel spacers should be inexpensive... Guts...
I'm thinking the mapping is avail from Yamaha...via your phone App...
The fork lugs shouldn't be too pricey/alternative parts avail...
Wheel spacers should be inexpensive...
Guts has seat foam for a good deal...

And the average guy would probably have his '18 revalved, too...
What's with the.......

I already have maps that I like on my 18, they might not work as good on the 19 due to the changes. Starter system is updated, exactly what I don't know. Fork lugs should not be a real problem but worth the time and money it would take? You could not purchase the 18 lugs on your own from a dealer in Sweden so not really sure about the 19 lugs. Wheel spacers will be tested on my 18. Already have a harder seat. The real $$$ would be the lug change and the starter system.

As stated earlier instead of spending that money I would rather spend it on buying a new bike, is it cheaper? Most likely not, is it less hassle? Yep.
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PRM31 8/20/2018 4:03pm
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Thanks ML, Great format. Starting to really look forward to this shootout. I jump straight to what Manny has to say. He speaks to us over 50 and 5’ 8” 180ish dudes!

For those who have ridden some or all of the bikes; I heard mention of some engines having a lighter freewheel. When I first rode a modern 4-stroke the engine braking, or complete lack of freewheel, about sent me over the bars on a jump or three. Do any of these engines stand out as the lightest feeling when you roll off the throttle?

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TeamGreen 8/21/2018 9:25am
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PRM31 wrote:
Thanks ML, Great format. Starting to really look forward to this shootout. I jump straight to what Manny has to say. He speaks to us over...
Thanks ML, Great format. Starting to really look forward to this shootout. I jump straight to what Manny has to say. He speaks to us over 50 and 5’ 8” 180ish dudes!

For those who have ridden some or all of the bikes; I heard mention of some engines having a lighter freewheel. When I first rode a modern 4-stroke the engine braking, or complete lack of freewheel, about sent me over the bars on a jump or three. Do any of these engines stand out as the lightest feeling when you roll off the throttle?
For me the lightest "roll down" seemed to be the Husky.

However, all the bikes seem to have tuning solutions in the mapping to address this issue. None of them have too much "engine braking".
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Will the Alta be included in the 250 shootout?
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make1go 8/21/2018 11:48am
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Will the Alta be included in the 250 shootout?
shhhhh it doesnt exist in the eyes of all those who are "connected" to the big oems teet.
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TeamGreen 8/21/2018 12:58pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Will the Alta be included in the 250 shootout?
make1go wrote:
shhhhh it doesnt exist in the eyes of all those who are "connected" to the big oems teet.
Oh, it exists...

And some of the folks that make the rules/rule-book are working on HOW TO FAIRLY rate it's power output.

But, that doesn't play into your tin-foil hat silliness.
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TXDirt wrote:
Will the Alta be included in the 250 shootout?
make1go wrote:
shhhhh it doesnt exist in the eyes of all those who are "connected" to the big oems teet.
TeamGreen wrote:
Oh, it exists... And some of the folks that make the rules/rule-book are working on HOW TO FAIRLY rate it's power output. But, that doesn't play...
Oh, it exists...

And some of the folks that make the rules/rule-book are working on HOW TO FAIRLY rate it's power output.

But, that doesn't play into your tin-foil hat silliness.
What happened to the 'one year works bike exemption'? I seem to remember Yamaha and KTM taking advantage of that one.
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ML512 8/22/2018 2:00pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Will the Alta be included in the 250 shootout?
make1go wrote:
shhhhh it doesnt exist in the eyes of all those who are "connected" to the big oems teet.
I’ve actually been in contact with them about it and the ball is currently in Alta’s court to get a bike for us to evaluate.

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