Who will take the 7?

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7/15/2018 8:12pm
True. That’s the way the rule is. It’s just funny that Currently Eli is the only single digit 450 champ. And some of the most popular...
True. That’s the way the rule is.

It’s just funny that Currently Eli is the only single digit 450 champ. And some of the most popular riders in the sport are 2 digit guys that are 450 champions. #94, #21, #22
But out of all the guys you listed only Dungey and Stewart really backed up their 250 titles with major premier class results. Eli to a much lesser degree at this point
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7/15/2018 8:15pm
just a question.

can a rider "choose" to keep a 3 digit number if he wishes?
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7/15/2018 8:19pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In what year did they switch things up to career numbers? I mean I've always known McGrath as number 2 so must be a long time...
In what year did they switch things up to career numbers? I mean I've always known McGrath as number 2 so must be a long time ago. Same thing goes with RC4 and LaRocco being number 5.
After the 99 season.
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But McGrath wore the number 2 in '97. Was that just based on the run what you earn system and he happened to finish second in...
But McGrath wore the number 2 in '97. Was that just based on the run what you earn system and he happened to finish second in '96?

I've seen him with the 1 before that so I honestly don't know. Seems like he's ran the 2 since '97.

Either way I don't really get the career numbers. Not like it's that difficult to memorize new numbers every year. If it is look it up in the program/magazines/online. Takes a bit of time to get used to sure but I think it gives something to work for and a fresh look is always cool.
Yes, MC was #2 several times with the run what you earned system. He would be #1 in Supercross and would be #2 outdoors.

91. #125
92. #1W 125 Supercross, 17 outdoors and on 250s
93. #15 SX/MX
94. #1 SX, #2 MX
95. #1 SX, #3 MX
96. #1 SX & MX
97. #1 SX, #2 MX
98. #2 SX, # 2 MX
99. #1 SX, #15 MX
Permanent Numbers Start
00. #1 SX, #2 MX
01. #1 SX, #2 MX
02. #2
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7/15/2018 8:21pm
But out of all the guys you listed only Dungey and Stewart really backed up their 250 titles with major premier class results. Eli to a...
But out of all the guys you listed only Dungey and Stewart really backed up their 250 titles with major premier class results. Eli to a much lesser degree at this point
That’s why the permanent number system is flawed.
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7/15/2018 8:26pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2018 8:29pm
True. That’s the way the rule is. It’s just funny that Currently Eli is the only single digit 450 champ. And some of the most popular...
True. That’s the way the rule is.

It’s just funny that Currently Eli is the only single digit 450 champ. And some of the most popular riders in the sport are 2 digit guys that are 450 champions. #94, #21, #22
Eli won the 2013 outdoor title in 250s. His only 450 title came last year (2017) in MX.

EDIT: Kirk, I think I misread your original post. It makes sense now...Eli is the only *current* single digit with a 450 championship. My mistake...
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7/15/2018 9:00pm
Savatgy although I would Rather
They just revamped the whole number system
Do away with permanent numbers
And run what you earned in 2018 -in-2019
If you didnt earn a number in the top 100
Than Run a 3 digits
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7/15/2018 9:14pm
Tarz483 wrote:
Savatgy although I would Rather They just revamped the whole number system Do away with permanent numbers And run what you earned in 2018 -in-2019 If...
Savatgy although I would Rather
They just revamped the whole number system
Do away with permanent numbers
And run what you earned in 2018 -in-2019
If you didnt earn a number in the top 100
Than Run a 3 digits
Savatgy would first need to win a national title. He's already switched career numbers once.
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7/15/2018 9:28pm
Forkner will be the one who takes it but it won’t be anytime soon.
7/15/2018 9:30pm
Maybe the number is more of an identity thing for some riders, like it becomes synonymous to their brand. Chad Reed with 22 (TwoTwo Motorsports), and more recently Roczen seems to embrace the 94.

Might be the reason why the number seven is still up for grabs; big shoes to fill. Especially when James already has the Seven gear brand, if you run the number seven and want to brand yourself with that number, how do you set yourself apart from that?
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7/15/2018 9:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2018 9:57pm
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the caliber of racing, or the way we watch the races.
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7/15/2018 10:35pm
Sully wrote:
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the...
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the caliber of racing, or the way we watch the races.
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself at all in the premier division has the second most desirable number in the sport.. What if he never wins a 450 title?
I just reckon they should be harder to get!
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Sully wrote:
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the...
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the caliber of racing, or the way we watch the races.
jemcee wrote:
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself...
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself at all in the premier division has the second most desirable number in the sport.. What if he never wins a 450 title?
I just reckon they should be harder to get!
That's true about Webb on a 450, but like someone pointed out earlier, there's only 3 people racing this year who would be eligible for a single digit, and two of them have based their brands around their number, so they're not changing.
7/15/2018 10:51pm
It better come with sponsorship Whistling
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7/15/2018 11:00pm
jemcee wrote:
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself...
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself at all in the premier division has the second most desirable number in the sport.. What if he never wins a 450 title?
I just reckon they should be harder to get!
Totally agree!
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7/15/2018 11:23pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In what year did they switch things up to career numbers? I mean I've always known McGrath as number 2 so must be a long time...
In what year did they switch things up to career numbers? I mean I've always known McGrath as number 2 so must be a long time ago. Same thing goes with RC4 and LaRocco being number 5.
After the 99 season.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
But McGrath wore the number 2 in '97. Was that just based on the run what you earn system and he happened to finish second in...
But McGrath wore the number 2 in '97. Was that just based on the run what you earn system and he happened to finish second in '96?

I've seen him with the 1 before that so I honestly don't know. Seems like he's ran the 2 since '97.

Either way I don't really get the career numbers. Not like it's that difficult to memorize new numbers every year. If it is look it up in the program/magazines/online. Takes a bit of time to get used to sure but I think it gives something to work for and a fresh look is always cool.
Jeremy IS the “2”.
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7/15/2018 11:36pm
whoever runs it isn’t getting this guys support
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whoever runs it isn’t getting this guys support
Why? Are you that much of a Stewtard that no one else deserves to run the number? The 7 needs to be retired permanently?
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7/16/2018 1:20am
Sully wrote:
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the...
I'm not too sure why some of you are so hung up on getting rid of the permanent numbering system. It's not like it changes the caliber of racing, or the way we watch the races.
jemcee wrote:
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself...
Well yes that's true I don't particularly wanna get rid of permanent numbers, but for me it's dumb, for example that Webb who hasn't proved himself at all in the premier division has the second most desirable number in the sport.. What if he never wins a 450 title?
I just reckon they should be harder to get!
Sully wrote:
That's true about Webb on a 450, but like someone pointed out earlier, there's only 3 people racing this year who would be eligible for a...
That's true about Webb on a 450, but like someone pointed out earlier, there's only 3 people racing this year who would be eligible for a single digit, and two of them have based their brands around their number, so they're not changing.
There's only 3 eligible for a PERMANENT single digit.. They could still run what they earned the year before! Combine SX and MX points..
7/16/2018 2:29am
Has anderson stated if he will take a single digit , as for Mx next year he will be eligible after running #1 is sx
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7/16/2018 7:35am
TDeath21 wrote:
It’s not likely up for grabs it is up for grabs. Possibly Plessinger? He dances like Stewart did and seems to have a similar personality coming...
It’s not likely up for grabs it is up for grabs. Possibly Plessinger? He dances like Stewart did and seems to have a similar personality coming into the premier class. Would be a nice fit.
TymeMoto wrote:
Is he not on 250’s for another season next year?
TDeath21 wrote:
You don’t have to be on the 450 to run a single digit.
True but he'd run the 1
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7/16/2018 7:36am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2018 7:37am
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up.
Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to 7 for his last year!

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be fun to see what happened.
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7/16/2018 7:52am
jemcee wrote:
I hate that guys can be single digit before they even compete in the premier class..That's all I have to say haha
Every single digit rider earned their single digit from the 250 class. It’s ridiculous. 2. Webb 2016 250 Nationals 3. Tomac 2013 250 Nationals 4. Baggett...
Every single digit rider earned their single digit from the 250 class. It’s ridiculous.

2. Webb 2016 250 Nationals
3. Tomac 2013 250 Nationals
4. Baggett 2012 250 Nationals
5. Dungey 2009 250 Nationals
6. Martin 2014 250 Nationals
7. Stewart 2004 125 Nationals

Reed and Roczen run 2 digit numbers even though they are eligible for a single digit from their 450 titles.
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I agree. Personally I think in order to run a single digit you should win either a 450SX or 450MX title. 250MX national title, get to...
I agree. Personally I think in order to run a single digit you should win either a 450SX or 450MX title.

250MX national title, get to run a career number between 10 and 20.

Finish top 10 in overall points choose a career number between 20 and 99.

Better yet, run what you earn. Finished 45th in points you run 45 the following year. Careers aren't really long enough to market themselves/the number.
7, 22, 199, 722 and a few others have marketed their numbers pretty well I'd say.
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7/16/2018 7:56am
Go back to running what you earn. A fresh look every year is good too. And running what you earn each year is a badge of honor and pride among the riders. Lets go back to that and stop with the career number crap.
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7/16/2018 7:59am
danman wrote:
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up. Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to...
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up.
Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to 7 for his last year!

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be fun to see what happened.
Did he retire or is he running 7 for his last year? I'm confused.
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danman wrote:
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up. Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to...
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up.
Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to 7 for his last year!

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be fun to see what happened.
Did he retire or is he running 7 for his last year? I'm confused.
Neither.
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7/16/2018 8:13am
danman wrote:
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up. Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to...
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up.
Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to 7 for his last year!

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be fun to see what happened.
Did he retire or is he running 7 for his last year? I'm confused.
He walked away, and who knows? It doesn't look good for James to wear any number again...
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7/16/2018 8:16am
danman wrote:
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up. Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to...
I think this would be incredibly cool to watch the internet/moto sites blow up.
Chad Reed announces his retirement, but then changes his permanent number to 7 for his last year!

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be fun to see what happened.
Did he retire or is he running 7 for his last year? I'm confused.
davistld01 wrote:
He walked away, and who knows? It doesn't look good for James to wear any number again...
I wasn't talking about James #readingcomprehension
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7/16/2018 8:27am
agn5009 wrote:
7, 22, 199, 722 and a few others have marketed their numbers pretty well I'd say.
They all have names that should be every bit as marketable without a number stuck to them. Show some personality and earn a nickname that doesn't go away when the career is done and the next guy claims your digits.
When it comes down to it, maybe yearly earned numbers gets MX back to some creative nicknames again. JS7, CR22, RD5, bla, bla, bla is so vanilla compared to back in the day with Hurricane, O'show, Showtime, Beast From the East and on and on.
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7/16/2018 8:34am
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I agree. Personally I think in order to run a single digit you should win either a 450SX or 450MX title. 250MX national title, get to...
I agree. Personally I think in order to run a single digit you should win either a 450SX or 450MX title.

250MX national title, get to run a career number between 10 and 20.

Finish top 10 in overall points choose a career number between 20 and 99.

Better yet, run what you earn. Finished 45th in points you run 45 the following year. Careers aren't really long enough to market themselves/the number.
It’s crazy that a 1 time 125/250 champ had #3 for over 10 seasons with Mike Brown. Not to pick on Brown, he went by the...
It’s crazy that a 1 time 125/250 champ had #3 for over 10 seasons with Mike Brown. Not to pick on Brown, he went by the rules and Snagged a low number.

Then when Deano won his 250 title the #8 was technically the only number available (I don’t remember why the 6 wasn’t considered), but GL wasn’t 100% done done at that point, Dean had no connection to 8, so he kept 15. The next year 4 became eligible then the following year 3 was available.

The only time the issuing of numbers was fair was when they started the program and went with whomever had the most titles, with premier class having the priority.

2. MC- 7 titles at the time
3. Emig- 4 titles
4. RC- 3 titles
5. Larocco- 2 Titles
6. Lamson- 2 titles
7. Albertyn- 1 title
19. Henry- 3 titles
I don’t think that ever happened. Up until end of 1999 season you ran the number you earned by total points in national races so premier class SX and both MX series. E&W SX didn’t count.

McGrath had number #3 in 1995 as Larocco scored more points total and had #2.
In 1996 McGrath scored most points but won both championships so he had #1 in both series, so Emil was allocated the #2.

Then in 97 he was #2, he scored more total points than Emig who was #3.
McGrath got the #2 again in 98 but not because he scored most points in 97, because Emig scored most points but he had locked out both #1s.

1999 MC was #15, he got hurt 4 rounds into outdoors so scored 15th most points total. Had the #1 in SX but his national number was #15 and would get worse as he was sx only from 1999 onwards. Although you can see him run the #15 at glen Helen in 1999.

So this is when the AMA changed the system to permanent numbers going into the 2000 season. All the forum retards were pissed Ricky got to pick the #4 as a permanent number since he had raced one disasterous 250 sx season. But he had 3 x national 125 championships.

So maybe they let them pick based off who had won the most championships, the first year but that just set the order for picks:

MC #2
Brown wasn’t part of this, was still racing in Europe. Didn’t get #3 til 2002.
Emig took #3 but never raced with it.
RC picked #4
Larocco #5
Lamson #6 - never even won a 250 race
Albertyn took #7
Langston took the #8 in 04
Telescope took the #9 in 06

Then career numbers for non champions starting with highest points earned:

Lusk #11
Button #12
Tortelli #13
And so on


Anyway - if they didn’t let 250 national champs choose single digit numbers, we wouldn’t have anyone running them. 450 titles were locked out by Dungey/Villopoto/Roczen from 2010-mid 2017 - Eli being the first 450 champ other than them.

We would just have a gap in numbers with no one running single digits as there’s not enough 450 titles to go around.
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7/16/2018 9:04am
One point I gather from this thread is that "if they didn’t let 250 national champs choose single digit numbers, we wouldn’t have anyone running them. "

I'm perfectly fine with that. Raise the level and earn it, not lower the bar.

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