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Felix71 7/3/2018 2:20pm
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I would rather have Osborne, Tomac and Barcia assuming that Zach is healthy by then.
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CrGuy2T 7/3/2018 2:24pm
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Covington? Seems to be doing pretty good this year at gp’s.
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Oh, I forgot they changed the MXoN scoring system based on starts, smh. Plessingers inconsistency? Average moto finish AP: 3.75 Average moto finish JC: 8.08 Moto...
Oh, I forgot they changed the MXoN scoring system based on starts, smh.

Plessingers inconsistency?

Average moto finish AP: 3.75
Average moto finish JC: 8.08

Moto wins AP: 4
Moto wins JC: 1

Overall wins AP: 2
Overall wins JC: 0

Worst moto finish AP: 9
Worst moto finish JC: 28
Second worst moto finish AP: 7
Second worst moto finish JC: 17
Not that it is of my concern, but of course a team should pick the guy leading/winning a championship (there are obvious caveats to this, of course).

But I think the start concern is valid when it comes to MXdN, especially regarding the 250’s.

First off: half the field will be on 450’s which likely makes it harder to pass those guys if you’re on a 250, and more so at Redbud which seems to crave some HP.

Secondly: You will have very few road cones to pass in your own 250 class which will make it harder to gain positions quickly.

So in a way the starts are more important at MXdN than a regular championship race. At least it’s a hypothesis ?
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dadofagun 7/3/2018 2:32pm
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Before this goes any further, I have no problems backing AP on a 250. He’s an excellent choice, and a damn good kid! I mentioned Barcia on a 250 simply based on he has found his stride again, Yamaha has a solid 250 program, he has Des Nations experience, and for our country, I think on our turf he’d push and shove if needed to bring the trophy home. Plus, he’s a good starter.....
All above stated based on Anderson being 100%

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hamncheeze 7/3/2018 2:36pm
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dadofagun wrote:
Before this goes any further, I have no problems backing AP on a 250. He’s an excellent choice, and a damn good kid! I mentioned Barcia...
Before this goes any further, I have no problems backing AP on a 250. He’s an excellent choice, and a damn good kid! I mentioned Barcia on a 250 simply based on he has found his stride again, Yamaha has a solid 250 program, he has Des Nations experience, and for our country, I think on our turf he’d push and shove if needed to bring the trophy home. Plus, he’s a good starter.....
All above stated based on Anderson being 100%
I agree with all you said. If Anderson is at 100% then the 3 available best riders regardless of bike size are Eli, JA, and Barcia. If Osborne or Jmart were healthy then it's much more complicated. But I think Barcia could drop to a Star Yamaha 250 and smoke all the MX2 at MXoN, except maybe Ferrandis (who is my current man-crush apparently).
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dboivin 7/3/2018 2:40pm
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plessinger or Amart or Covington.

HIGH chance of mud race. Plessinger will absolutely kill it.

Amart is fastest lites guy we have in 250 nationals. He's been fast every race this year and starts up front.

Covington is not a bad choice either.



ET3 and Barcia currently for big bikes. lotta season left tho.

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i would be excited to watch that.
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yz133rider wrote:
My mistake then, cant argue with you i guess old perceptions remain for me. Watching on tv you cant track every thing too well Still right...
My mistake then, cant argue with you i guess old perceptions remain for me. Watching on tv you cant track every thing too well

Still right now Cooper is my 250 pick
Tomac 450 and barcia 450 Barcias starts and opening laps are on point.

cbuehler767 wrote:
You're def not wrong not to want Blake on team. Both times he's gone he was awful with Herlings epically lapping him one year
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Baggett has been a disappointment every time he's been to MXDN, and what worries me about his riding this year is his lack of fight every...
Baggett has been a disappointment every time he's been to MXDN, and what worries me about his riding this year is his lack of fight every time I've seen him in a battle. At an event like the des nations, you need to be fighting for every single position. We don't need someone to go flounder around and take whatever is given to him. At MXDN you need to earn every position.
His riding this summer is quite head scratching. Has he been anywhere near the front? So the question is has Eli gotten that much faster or where the couple times Bagget beat him last year a total aboration? I don't want him anywhere near the MxDN team
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dadofagun 7/3/2018 3:03pm
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dadofagun wrote:
Before this goes any further, I have no problems backing AP on a 250. He’s an excellent choice, and a damn good kid! I mentioned Barcia...
Before this goes any further, I have no problems backing AP on a 250. He’s an excellent choice, and a damn good kid! I mentioned Barcia on a 250 simply based on he has found his stride again, Yamaha has a solid 250 program, he has Des Nations experience, and for our country, I think on our turf he’d push and shove if needed to bring the trophy home. Plus, he’s a good starter.....
All above stated based on Anderson being 100%
hamncheeze wrote:
I agree with all you said. If Anderson is at 100% then the 3 available best riders regardless of bike size are Eli, JA, and Barcia...
I agree with all you said. If Anderson is at 100% then the 3 available best riders regardless of bike size are Eli, JA, and Barcia. If Osborne or Jmart were healthy then it's much more complicated. But I think Barcia could drop to a Star Yamaha 250 and smoke all the MX2 at MXoN, except maybe Ferrandis (who is my current man-crush apparently).
Ferrandis is one bad dude! But for our efforts sake, Barcia reviving the shit out of a Star Yamaha for a weekend here at home could do some serious damage.
mx_phreek 7/3/2018 3:14pm
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You have to go with tomac, barcia and a-mart on 250 because of his starts and fitness. A good starting 250 rider can win this for a team. Most important choice with overall position counting.
dirtworldmx 7/3/2018 3:25pm
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Cooper is too inexperienced. My picks are AP and AM. Covington shouldn't even be in this discussion, with the race being at Red Bud. Zero home track advantage with him.
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France is going to be hard to beat, so we need to bring our A-game. They have a solid 5 guys to choose from, any mix of which could be a winning team.

Obvious US 450 choices are Eli and Barcia.

250s are hard, because there aren't any real standout guys that are consistent. I'm an Amart fan, and a Plessinger fan - both are fast enough for a win, but have had a lot of ups/downs. At this point, I would think Covington would be a strong choice for MX2. He's been starting strong, winning motos, and got put in a tough spot last year on a 450. I think he's earned a chance to ride for the US again based on that.
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agn5009 7/3/2018 3:50pm
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As of right now I would seriously consider Cooper or Forkner over Plessinger. It just confuses me how Plessinger can be awesome one week and win or be fighting for wins then the next week he's fighting to stay near the top 5.
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agn5009 7/3/2018 3:52pm
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dirtworldmx wrote:
Cooper is too inexperienced. My picks are AP and AM. Covington shouldn't even be in this discussion, with the race being at Red Bud. Zero home...
Cooper is too inexperienced. My picks are AP and AM. Covington shouldn't even be in this discussion, with the race being at Red Bud. Zero home track advantage with him.
But Covington has been doing really really well the last couple weeks. If that continues, how is he not even considered?
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Kyle_McNab 7/3/2018 3:59pm
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No that’s a lil premature maybe in a year or two. MX1 Tomac. MX2 Amart or Ap. MX3 Barcia or Anderson is he performs better than Barcia when he comes back
dirtworldmx 7/3/2018 4:01pm
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Cooper is too inexperienced. My picks are AP and AM. Covington shouldn't even be in this discussion, with the race being at Red Bud. Zero home...
Cooper is too inexperienced. My picks are AP and AM. Covington shouldn't even be in this discussion, with the race being at Red Bud. Zero home track advantage with him.
agn5009 wrote:
But Covington has been doing really really well the last couple weeks. If that continues, how is he not even considered?
Does he even have one lap at Red Bud? I would take McElrath, Forkner, or even Jordan Smith over him, at THAT track. If the race was on a GP track, he might be my #1 pick.
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yz133rider 7/3/2018 4:01pm
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Alot are choosing anderson if he comes back out swinging if thats the case then id say tomac anderson and then barcia on a 250.
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Kyle_McNab 7/3/2018 4:15pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Alot are choosing anderson if he comes back out swinging if thats the case then id say tomac anderson and then barcia on a 250.
As cool as that would be honestly don’t see any American dropping down a class. Even tho I work for Belgium a couple years ago
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Historically the USA has had 3 European based 125 World Champions who never made the team. We have better choices at home for Red Bud than Covington. I applaud him doing well and every year there are varying politics involved in team selection, but I feel like him riding last year was because of his Monster relationship and the convenience of him...there were better choices. Wether they would have went...I don’t know. I respect him for completing our team last year but I believe team selection is more layered and complicated that just who’s the 3 fastest riders.

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WhatsStoppingU 7/7/2018 7:27pm
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Did Plessinger do enough today to get picked over Justin Cooper or Alex Martin? Covington?
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ATKpilot99 7/7/2018 7:31pm
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WhatsStoppingU wrote:
Did Plessinger do enough today to get picked over Justin Cooper or Alex Martin? Covington?
If not I don't know what more he could do.
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struth 7/7/2018 7:32pm
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WhatsStoppingU wrote:
Did Plessinger do enough today to get picked over Justin Cooper or Alex Martin? Covington?
He is point leader ,so automatically should be chosen, if 100% fit
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GuyB 7/7/2018 7:43pm
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At this point in the season, your team should be Tomac, Barcia, and AP.
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Langhammx 7/7/2018 7:44pm
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WhatsStoppingU wrote:
Did Plessinger do enough today to get picked over Justin Cooper or Alex Martin? Covington?
I don’t think some of these guys “get it”. But I DO !!
He’s our best pick, he’ll ride his heart out and he seemed to like the track today.
Langhammx 7/7/2018 7:45pm
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GuyB wrote:
At this point in the season, your team should be Tomac, Barcia, and AP.
BINGO
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WFO 7/7/2018 7:51pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Ill be honest plessingers starts and his inconsistency just doesnt impress me. Points leader or not id take coopers starts over him.
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Oh, I forgot they changed the MXoN scoring system based on starts, smh. Plessingers inconsistency? Average moto finish AP: 3.75 Average moto finish JC: 8.08 Moto...
Oh, I forgot they changed the MXoN scoring system based on starts, smh.

Plessingers inconsistency?

Average moto finish AP: 3.75
Average moto finish JC: 8.08

Moto wins AP: 4
Moto wins JC: 1

Overall wins AP: 2
Overall wins JC: 0

Worst moto finish AP: 9
Worst moto finish JC: 28
Second worst moto finish AP: 7
Second worst moto finish JC: 17
How could we make any other choice?
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Brett_Clark 7/7/2018 9:15pm
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Well Ap just went 1-1 today at Red bud while Cooper finished 9th or 10th over all. A mart isnt even on my list as a pick anymore. Only other guy id look at is forkner.

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