Rumor gaining some steam.....

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bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check.
The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to where they should be due to injury.

So sick of this mentality in motocross. Top 10 in ANY other sport is god like status.
3/26/2009 5:32pm
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Main event results

Pos. No. Rider name Hometown Bike Lap Int. Sponsors
1 1 Chad Reed Tampa, FL Suzuki RM-Z450 20 --- Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / One / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP Pistons / Hinson / RG3 / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
2 7 James M. Stewart Haines City, FL Yamaha YZ450F 20 2.124 San Manuel / Yamaha / JSE / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Yamalube / Akrapovic / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed
3 800 Mike A. Alessi Victorville, CA Suzuki RM-Z450 20 28.948 Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / One / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP Pistons / Hinson / RG3 / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
4 33 Joshua M. Grant Riverside, CA Yamaha YZ450F 20 32.741 Joe Gibbs Racing
5 9 Ivan Tedesco Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R 20 33.439 Honda Red Bull Racing
6 979 Ben Coisy Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R 20 50.676 Moto Concepts Honda
7 18 David D. Millsaps Carlsbad, CA Honda CRF450R 19 --- Honda Red Bull Racing
8 26 Michael Byrne Newnan, GA Suzuki RM-Z450 19 --- Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / ONE / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP / Hinson / Pro Circuit / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
9 2 Ryan D. Villopoto Seattle, WA Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster Energy / Kawasaki
10 15 Timmy M. Ferry Largo, FL Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster Energy / Kawasaki Motors Corp
11 29 Andrew T. Short Smithville, TX Honda CRF450R 19 --- Honda Red Bull Racing
12 54 Matt Boni Geneva, FL Honda CRF450R 19 --- DNAEnergyDrink / BTOSports / BBMX / RickCaseHonda / FLY / WMI / Bel-Ray / Vortex / Formula / FMF / Smith / Wiseco / StellarMX / ASMF / ASV / Dunlop / Ogio / Applied / Alpinestars / PitPosse / CV4 / Sponsorhouse / ICW / Devol / EngineIce / QTM / Talon / RK / TwinAir / Leatt / KineticAnimation / SeminoleTribeMX
13 13 Heath D. Voss Mico, TX Honda CRF450R 19 --- US AirForce / Mastercraft / Great Lks Airlines / Cytomax / No Fear / Sarah Janes / Venning Mtrsprts / MB1 / Wallys Waterspts / VP / Bridgestone / Decal Works / Utopia / Hinson / Silkolene / DRD / Renthal / DID / QTM Ferodo / HO Watersports / Gibraltar / CP / HotCams / Xceldyne / Twin Air / Kicker / Powerstart / Works Conn / MX Con
14 31 Ryan Sipes Vine Grove, KY KTM 450SX-F 19 --- MDK / KTM / Muscle Milk / FMF / Dunlop / Pro Taper
15 75 Joshua R. Hill Murrieta, CA Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Akrapovic / Yamalube / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed / Axio / Mechanix Wear / G2
16 27 Nicholas A. Wey Dewitt, MI Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Boost Mobile / AMPM / Monster Energy / MSRMX RK Rcng Chain / Sunline / CP Pistons / Yamaha / Leat
17 52 Robert S. Kiniry La Fayette, NY Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster / Cernics / Kawaski / Pirelli / Moose / Athena / Silkolene / EVS / Motion Pro / EBC / Pro Circuit
18 911 Tyler T. Bowers Danville, KY Honda CRF450R 18 --- Moto Concepts Honda ellnessCenter / DT1 / Cycra / CP / Astar / VanquishMX / Prowheel / Sunstar / Relentless / LiquidPerf / VP / Motionpro
19 60 Broc D. Hepler Kittanning, PA Yamaha YZ450F 17 --- Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Akrapovic / Yamalube / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed / Axio / Mechanix Wear / G2
20 14 Kevin W. Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R 15 --- Geico Powersports Honda

RACE TIME: 16:44.923 min.
WINNER'S AVG. LAP TIME: 0:50.246



Reed and Stewart lapped 7th place which wasn't a mud race, why would any factory team want to pay 500k-1m for a rider to get lapped? all the guys are great riders but shouldn't be getting lapped. sure a few riders have had some troubles but in this economy anyones job would be lost with results like this every other weekend! just my 2 cents though
TerryK wrote:



How many guys that got lapped do you think make even CLOSE to 500K?? lol, not as many as you think I can tell you that!!
If they lapped 7th back, I count 5.
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3/26/2009 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2009 5:38pm
bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
-eagle- wrote:
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check. The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to...
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check.
The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to where they should be due to injury.

So sick of this mentality in motocross. Top 10 in ANY other sport is god like status.
a few is four or more, i only listed five. never said they werent good or even great, raced davi at a regional when he was amateur and he kicked my ass! just think they are maybe taking not advantage of what they have and could use what ferry got a few years back and have to work for something! ferry got on kawaski and turned his career around for the most part.
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bobby397 wrote:
Are you an AMA member? Yes? Cool. No? Click HERE! Monster Energy AMA Supercross, an FIM World Championship Lucas Oil Stadium - Indianapolis, IN February 28...

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AMA Supercross

Main event results

Pos. No. Rider name Hometown Bike Lap Int. Sponsors
1 1 Chad Reed Tampa, FL Suzuki RM-Z450 20 --- Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / One / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP Pistons / Hinson / RG3 / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
2 7 James M. Stewart Haines City, FL Yamaha YZ450F 20 2.124 San Manuel / Yamaha / JSE / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Yamalube / Akrapovic / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed
3 800 Mike A. Alessi Victorville, CA Suzuki RM-Z450 20 28.948 Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / One / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP Pistons / Hinson / RG3 / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
4 33 Joshua M. Grant Riverside, CA Yamaha YZ450F 20 32.741 Joe Gibbs Racing
5 9 Ivan Tedesco Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R 20 33.439 Honda Red Bull Racing
6 979 Ben Coisy Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R 20 50.676 Moto Concepts Honda
7 18 David D. Millsaps Carlsbad, CA Honda CRF450R 19 --- Honda Red Bull Racing
8 26 Michael Byrne Newnan, GA Suzuki RM-Z450 19 --- Rockstar / Makita / Suzuki / Bridgestone / Maxima / Tag / Pro Taper / Alpinestars / ONE / Mechanix Wear / Showa / Road Champs / CP / Hinson / Pro Circuit / Snap On / Twin Air / DID / Excel / FCC / NGK
9 2 Ryan D. Villopoto Seattle, WA Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster Energy / Kawasaki
10 15 Timmy M. Ferry Largo, FL Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster Energy / Kawasaki Motors Corp
11 29 Andrew T. Short Smithville, TX Honda CRF450R 19 --- Honda Red Bull Racing
12 54 Matt Boni Geneva, FL Honda CRF450R 19 --- DNAEnergyDrink / BTOSports / BBMX / RickCaseHonda / FLY / WMI / Bel-Ray / Vortex / Formula / FMF / Smith / Wiseco / StellarMX / ASMF / ASV / Dunlop / Ogio / Applied / Alpinestars / PitPosse / CV4 / Sponsorhouse / ICW / Devol / EngineIce / QTM / Talon / RK / TwinAir / Leatt / KineticAnimation / SeminoleTribeMX
13 13 Heath D. Voss Mico, TX Honda CRF450R 19 --- US AirForce / Mastercraft / Great Lks Airlines / Cytomax / No Fear / Sarah Janes / Venning Mtrsprts / MB1 / Wallys Waterspts / VP / Bridgestone / Decal Works / Utopia / Hinson / Silkolene / DRD / Renthal / DID / QTM Ferodo / HO Watersports / Gibraltar / CP / HotCams / Xceldyne / Twin Air / Kicker / Powerstart / Works Conn / MX Con
14 31 Ryan Sipes Vine Grove, KY KTM 450SX-F 19 --- MDK / KTM / Muscle Milk / FMF / Dunlop / Pro Taper
15 75 Joshua R. Hill Murrieta, CA Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Akrapovic / Yamalube / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed / Axio / Mechanix Wear / G2
16 27 Nicholas A. Wey Dewitt, MI Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Boost Mobile / AMPM / Monster Energy / MSRMX RK Rcng Chain / Sunline / CP Pistons / Yamaha / Leat
17 52 Robert S. Kiniry La Fayette, NY Kawasaki KX450F 19 --- Monster / Cernics / Kawaski / Pirelli / Moose / Athena / Silkolene / EVS / Motion Pro / EBC / Pro Circuit
18 911 Tyler T. Bowers Danville, KY Honda CRF450R 18 --- Moto Concepts Honda ellnessCenter / DT1 / Cycra / CP / Astar / VanquishMX / Prowheel / Sunstar / Relentless / LiquidPerf / VP / Motionpro
19 60 Broc D. Hepler Kittanning, PA Yamaha YZ450F 17 --- Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone / Factory Effex / Tag / Akrapovic / Yamalube / Vortex / DID / VP / GYTR / Braking / Cycra / Lightspeed / Axio / Mechanix Wear / G2
20 14 Kevin W. Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R 15 --- Geico Powersports Honda

RACE TIME: 16:44.923 min.
WINNER'S AVG. LAP TIME: 0:50.246



Reed and Stewart lapped 7th place which wasn't a mud race, why would any factory team want to pay 500k-1m for a rider to get lapped? all the guys are great riders but shouldn't be getting lapped. sure a few riders have had some troubles but in this economy anyones job would be lost with results like this every other weekend! just my 2 cents though
TerryK wrote:



How many guys that got lapped do you think make even CLOSE to 500K?? lol, not as many as you think I can tell you that!!
let me try:

millsaps, villopoto, ferry, short, hill, hepler and windham. i will give kw a bogey because i guess his bike failed.
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yea, bogey for windham, he was running third that race i think, untill hiss chain broke
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3/26/2009 5:56pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2009 5:57pm
bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
Titan wrote:
I don't know about that...it seems like every week as I look at the main event results, the top 10 are almost always all factory riders...
I don't know about that...it seems like every week as I look at the main event results, the top 10 are almost always all factory riders (which means the factories have the 10 best riders) and those guys you mentioned (with a few exceptions for bad starts and crashes...and just bad riding) are always in the top 10.

Seems likes the top 10 at most rounds is a combination of one of these fellas (all factory riders:

JS
Reed
Josh Grant
K-dub
Millsaps
Ferry
Villopoto
Alessi
Hill
Tedesco
Hepler
Short
J-Law

There are just to many fast guys for anyone but Reed or JS to be in the top 10 every week.

This sport, in general, needs to realize what an accomplishment it is to even qualify for a main event, let alone finish in the top 10.

Give some of those consistent 6-12 place guys a break...that's damn good riding...and I haven't seen any privateers consistently beating the factory guys, so if the factories let their guys go, they aren't likely to get somone faster (besides the new guys coming up).
I don't think J-Law is a factory rider. Unless things have changed.
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3/26/2009 6:43pm
bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
-eagle- wrote:
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check. The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to...
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check.
The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to where they should be due to injury.

So sick of this mentality in motocross. Top 10 in ANY other sport is god like status.
Thank GOD this isn't any other sport. It's still Motocross.
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3/26/2009 7:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:06pm
bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
-eagle- wrote:
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check. The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to...
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check.
The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to where they should be due to injury.

So sick of this mentality in motocross. Top 10 in ANY other sport is god like status.
I'd say 2. Hill & Millsaps, the others are very commited.
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bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
i see ferry and windham both retiring this year anyway. i dont know whats up with hill, hes gone backwards this year
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Jason Lawrence is smart enough and charismatic enough to do better on his own team. He just needs to be at the track every weekend to show his sponsors off .....and that seems to be his problem.
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Spinner wrote:
Just heard from a very reliable source (via conference call) that a few factory teams are making huge cuts for 2010 (think: economy in shitter). But...
Just heard from a very reliable source (via conference call) that a few factory teams are making huge cuts for 2010 (think: economy in shitter).

But there's one rider on three different factory teams and a couple satellite teams wish list (yellow and orange aren't talking) for the 450 class in SX/MX.

If you guys thought the J-Law media circus was something this year, this summer's gonna get wilder with speculation.

My bet- Team Honda.
Sounds like sour grapes from ping.
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peelout719 wrote:
the inevitable 09 sx champs suzuki ride is only for this year... hmm...
kevin204 wrote:
He'll re-sign. He seems to love that team way too much to go somewhere else.
Racer92 wrote:
No way Roger would want Jlaw. He was frustrated enough with Travis and TP is a good kid. Jlaw would give Roger a stroke.
I believe somewhere along the way TP made Roger a believer and they seem to be on good terms. But yeah, for a while I thought RD was gonna take a bat to TP.
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Ooh, by conference call...wow! Aren't you special.
3/26/2009 11:36pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:07pm
Hills been injured. And that's part of the sport. He's one of like what....5 or 6 people who have won a SX in the last 5 years. And one of less than 20 to even make a podium over that time......and just 19 yrs old. Same for Millsaps.


And for the Alessi "outdoor only"? Why the fuck would he do that? He's leading every race for a few laps, 7th in points, got a podium and ALWAYS in the top 8 that someone effectively has argued we should CELEBRATE! And he get's his yellow bike on TV.

Great job you skinny little fucker. Booby picked a great kid to cheer for.

Alessi is only gonna get better at SX and so are the others.

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I think Lwarence will retain his own team for next year with factory support, salary and parts from Yamaha or ?

Millsaps has been taking advantage of a spot most would kill for so I don't expect him to be back on Red next year and form some of his interviews I wouldn't be suprised if he even comes back next year after all the money he's made ....Hill has had 2 shoulder injuries this year already and has won but we'll see....Doubt they'll keep IT9 either

Not a whole lotta room on other teams either, many factory riders will get a reality "check" for next season's contract negotiations....a lot of fat will be trimmed due to the economy...just hasn't hit them yet
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bobby397 wrote:
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but...
james has ownership with his team, not sure how long yamaha sign on for tho. theres a hand full of factory riders that need a but kickin to get in gear for how much they are getting paid, hill, tedesco, windham, millsaps,ferry just to name a few!
-eagle- wrote:
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check. The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to...
Out of all those mentioned only one need could use a humbling reality check.
The rest are right were they should be, injured, or close to where they should be due to injury.

So sick of this mentality in motocross. Top 10 in ANY other sport is god like status.
Faceaz wrote:
I'd say 2. Hill & Millsaps, the others are very commited.
Hill had shoulder surgery before the season start; reinjured it or the other several races into series and he's been healing; time trials gotten better; holeshot heat at Daytona and wins.

He needs to figure out getting some good starts like he did many SX races last year and stay healthy for a while..

He's got GL8 back to work with during the Nats. Kid is 19 and got serious skills that GL8 could really help him lots.

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Hills been injured. And that's part of the sport. He's one of like what....5 or 6 people who have won a SX in the last 5...
Hills been injured. And that's part of the sport. He's one of like what....5 or 6 people who have won a SX in the last 5 years. And one of less than 20 to even make a podium over that time......and just 19 yrs old. Same for Millsaps.


And for the Alessi "outdoor only"? Why the fuck would he do that? He's leading every race for a few laps, 7th in points, got a podium and ALWAYS in the top 8 that someone effectively has argued we should CELEBRATE! And he get's his yellow bike on TV.

Great job you skinny little fucker. Booby picked a great kid to cheer for.

Alessi is only gonna get better at SX and so are the others.

Good post.
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3/27/2009 2:04am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:07pm
Should be interesting next year. In Japan Yamaha and Honda have pulled there support for there own series , read Transworld article on 2010 bikes
My GUESS (like everyone else on this forum) is more outside sponsorship to pay for factory equipment hence more factory equipment to go around. I bet Mitch Payton is rubbing his hands more and more as he is in the box seat with his supply network
Thats my GUESS (not a conference call)
Gotta go have a conference call to attend Husqvarna is calling with a lot of BMW dollars to get back into the AMA scene
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Hasn't Honda always been the most image-conscious and strict team? That's a wild combination.

Oh well, some people like peanut butter and banana.
manering wrote:
i love peanut butter and banana on toast!!!Huh
good stuff.....no joke.
3/27/2009 4:47am
Being lapped on a supercross track is not a big deal. The average lap time is 50 seconds, on a sx track. The track is narrow. The guys in front, who are lucky to get a holeshot, can get away while the rest are bogged down in a quagmire of bodies and bikes trying to get through the first lap carnage. By the time the last guy is around the first corner James is already 25 to 30 seconds ahead of him. Then you have 20 bikes at the back of the pack trying to battle each other while James is just flowing.

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3/27/2009 5:50am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:07pm
I think that L&M and JGR mark the future model of the sport. "Team Honda pulling out" really means that they drop their semi and move their factory bike support to satellite teams (a la Yamaha with L&M). Big cost cutting for them - major opportunity for others.

L&M and JGR are first class 450 examples. Pro Circuit & FC have been doing it for years in the 250 class.

Then it starts to look more like NASCAR and MotoGP.

Just my opinion.
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Hasn't Honda always been the most image-conscious and strict team? That's a wild combination.

Oh well, some people like peanut butter and banana.
I see squeaky clean Dungey going to Factory Honda.... They seem made for each other.
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P wrote:
Chuck, I was just wondering if J-Law would get a Factory ride next year and with the way some of the current Factory guys are performing...
Chuck, I was just wondering if J-Law would get a Factory ride next year and with the way some of the current Factory guys are performing there should be plenty of room for him.

BTW, I think that James has another year on his L&M contract. Either way, I've always heard the buzz that Honda doesn't want anything to do with James and his camp, but maybe that is just talk.


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UpTiTe wrote:
Honda wants everything to do with James, they made him a good offer, its all the stipulation him and his dad gave them they dont want...
Honda wants everything to do with James, they made him a good offer, its all the stipulation him and his dad gave them they dont want anything to do with.

Cool. Thanks for the info.


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3/27/2009 7:05am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:07pm
Funny how alessi holeshots and half the field BLOWS past him and he's the messiah.

Yet all the guys mentioned start midpack, pass him and they should be fired.


I'd love to see:

-Factory's scattering their budgets into established support teams.

JGR, PC, L&M, FC, Star- Nascar stlye if you will.

-Performance based contracts on top of a reasonable base salary.

-A real support class like i've said a million times.

Ramsey talked about it in his last racerx interview as well.

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Skywagon wrote:
I think that L&M and JGR mark the future model of the sport. "Team Honda pulling out" really means that they drop their semi and move...
I think that L&M and JGR mark the future model of the sport. "Team Honda pulling out" really means that they drop their semi and move their factory bike support to satellite teams (a la Yamaha with L&M). Big cost cutting for them - major opportunity for others.

L&M and JGR are first class 450 examples. Pro Circuit & FC have been doing it for years in the 250 class.

Then it starts to look more like NASCAR and MotoGP.

Just my opinion.
Here is the future.....NASCAR like! The big teams will just dole out parts to the satellite teams!

I see Dungey staying with Suzuki as he is Rogers pet project. I wouldn't have any problem keeping Alessi on Suzuki. They finally have seemed to found somewhere that doesn't expect him to be on top of the box in SX, but they do with outdoors. Like someone else said, Alessi is the talk of the announcers for a couple of laps every single weekend!
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kevin204 wrote:
10 bucks says Suzuki has Reed and Dungey on 450's next year, with Izzi on the 250.
I'll take that bet
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I think the future of the sport will be, like you said above, similar to NASCAR. The factories will start aligning themselves with teams that can cater to outside sponsorship. That is where the money is going to come from, the kind of money to attract the good riders.

I think these teams will have the upper hand in the future, not only attracting the sponsors, but getting the top riders.

For example, Grant Langston is looking for a ride for the outdoor nationals. If he approached one of these teams with good equipment, they could then possibly get a sponsor to agree to fund his salary for the series. Right now, unless there is an opening in the team because of injury, the yearly budget of most teams prohibit adding another rider.

Of course, then we get into the debate of making SX/MX more attractive to outside sponsors.

Do you make it more entertaining, or to you keep it more traditional?

Will these new TV deals help the teams getting outside sponsorship?

Will the promoters be less restrictive with the sampling of products in the pits?

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it's kinda like football. inflated ego's and huge paychecks. the top guys have both, the lower guys have neither
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Hills been injured. And that's part of the sport. He's one of like what....5 or 6 people who have won a SX in the last 5...
Hills been injured. And that's part of the sport. He's one of like what....5 or 6 people who have won a SX in the last 5 years. And one of less than 20 to even make a podium over that time......and just 19 yrs old. Same for Millsaps.


And for the Alessi "outdoor only"? Why the fuck would he do that? He's leading every race for a few laps, 7th in points, got a podium and ALWAYS in the top 8 that someone effectively has argued we should CELEBRATE! And he get's his yellow bike on TV.

Great job you skinny little fucker. Booby picked a great kid to cheer for.

Alessi is only gonna get better at SX and so are the others.

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Good post.
Absolutely and as far as DM, I believe he got 1 more year with Honda so whether it is a full fledge factory team, or a Red Bull Honda team, he should be covered for 2010 and rightly so.

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