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Even serious Race series can't fill a 40 Rider Gate! 4-Strokes are KILLING the Sport! COST, COST, COST!
Solution, allow "250 2-Strokes" to compete in the Class!!
Solution, allow "250 2-Strokes" to compete in the Class!!
Do you Want the Sport to Grow?
If you do, riders should be able to Race 250 2-Ts against 250 4-Ts in the all Classes! If this happened how many EMX 250 Riders would move to MXGP-2?
COST is the driving factor.
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... and whilst 26 riders on the gate isn't great, I prefer quality over quantity! Granted if YS weren't so greedy, we could probably have both but we are where we are. In any case, I'd rather see 26 decent riders over a bunch of moving roadblocks when the leaders come to lap like we saw at High Point. Heck, a dude got lapped 5 times in the 250 class yesterday! Shocking!
The moto-mob still going strong with with the MXGP
These very young guys do not have a lot of time on the track and cannot show there capability when it cost $7,000 for just a competitive engine let alone another $6,000 to $12,000 for competitive suspension. All cost ADD up, therefore all MX Fans should support getting more riders in the show.
However I am a big F1 Fan, and where I see this going is "NO MXGP 250 Class on TV", only 450. F1 has 11 Manufactures to produce the big show with 22 cars, why would MXGP show anything but 450's on TV.
It ------will not in the future!
Below is an MXA article to understand why some of us say to hell with the Manufacturers pushing expensive technology, we will bypass them.
Article comment....................MXA
Heavy, expensive, complicated four-strokes are "not the ultimate motocross machinery". Four-strokes are closer to "agricultural equipment" than racing weapons. Contrary to popular belief—pound for pound, cubic centimeter for cubic centimeter and head to head—the "Two-stroke is the ultimate motocross racing engine"!
https://motocrossactionmag.com/we-ride-l-a-sleeves-yamaha-yz300-rip-gri…
MXA Article
TWO VS. FOUR SHOOTOUT: YZ250 TWO-STROKE VS. YZ250F FOUR-STROKE
https://motocrossactionmag.com/bikes-yz250-two-stroke-vs-yz250f-four-st…
Choosing a YZ250 or YZ250F depends on your goals as a motocross racer, but even more significantly on how deep your pockets are. Building a full-race YZ250F four-stroke cost us $7000 more than building a full-race YZ250 two-stroke.
Support your Sport! The OEM's sell far fewer MX bikes today than ever before!
Well, no, that mongrel seems immune to embarrassment. He's tried to have / has had 30 rider gates in the rule book for the main classes before.
I hate to sound like I even slightly agree with the pricks ideas, but when you've got an EMX class as well, you've a hell of a lot of 250 riders at the event.
That people such as the OP, and others, inevitably Americans, don't seem to register that, is a bit puzzling.
2 strokes in MX2 - well Yes , Equivalency at the highest level in both MX2 and MXGP ( And the US Nationals ) Should be in place. This Bullshit Four Stroke Handicap class racing, at the highest (well, all) levels needs to be done with.
Equivalency is the only way you'll get more 2ts in the GPs - be it the EMX250 class or the World Championship classes. Many of the riders have GP aspirations, and they / their backers need / have to be on 4ts . Well even if they are mainly doing their and others Nationals. . You , your Team race what you get the backing for, and are allowed to race.
Equivalency.- No Age Limit, it's such BS, that drives away so many competitors / teams, to just then do Nationals - Lower Entry Fees - Prize/ Start money - And decent / real travel assistance for fly away rounds. With the 2 Chinese rounds next year, it's even more of a burden. Luongo / Youthstream need to think past their own arses / wallets.
Go have a look, a few of you, and see the entries for the fabled Carlsbad USGP - it always had a Lot of GP regulars not attenting. It cost a shitload back in the day to travel.
And hell, the Canadian SX rounds were often very lightly attended, and that was just across the border - yet plenty of Americans didn't do it.
Hell, weren't a few SX rounds this year fairly 'light on' for 450 entries? A domestic World Championships, you'd think, would have plenty of entries.
At the 2009 FIM Congress, Equivalency was put into place for the 2010 World 250 Championships.
But, it 'disappeared' before the start of the season. Strange , that...........
Equivalency racing gives Great racing.
Not a monotone race event. It's fantastic to see and hear Equivalency racing.
2ts won't devastate the 4ts.
And, with the main manufacturers attitude to 2ts and their marketing / making products they want to make, the 4ts will be the majority of bikes out there, and the ones that do the majority of winning. They aren't granddad's trail bike engines anymore. Haven't been for nearly 2 decades now.
It's the cost that Youthstream charges for a "team" to field riders, and the difficulty of a single rider entering events. A rider can't just turn up at an event and enter, nor can they simply turn in a privateer application sometime before the event.
I still can’t believe there’s no purse money at all and no matter what there’s no excuse in my book for that. Look how many fans are at those races and they sure as shit didn’t come to watch Luongo Large-pockets!!
What I find crazy is that 100 or more 250s show up between the two classes yet 30 don’t get to race despite there being empty gates in the GP class.
Pit Row
1. If you are above 23 you are not allowed
2. If you are under 23 but not in an official team you can only rely on wildcards. As a privateer expect to not be allowed at multiple EU gp's.
3. The entry fee for 3 GP's equals the fee for teh full emx season (11 races)
In addition you have other reasons like some people prefer to do a full championship (compared to missing overseas gp's), talent from emx125s are better of adapting to 250f's in a 'lesser' championship, etc. etc.
Finally, this has nothing to do with 2-strokes vs. 4 strokes and the costs of those. 70 entries in EMX250 and only 1 250 2-stroke.
Now, close the thread.
Didn't he win, or at least podium OA the French round of EMX250 on his 2t last year? And, got protested, so a strip down was performed?........
I've only caught up with the 1st EMX250 race - he seemed to have a shocker in that one. And, had to come through the LCQ (2nd in that) to get a start.
As I said, 'probably... none' and that whilst cost is a factor, it is 'from an 'entry fee/travel/age perspective and not a 2/4 stroke decision'.
However, that is not the case. There are a bunch of guys in EMX250 who are faster then guys currently scoring points in MX2. A guy like Freek van de Vlist is racing EMX250 this year, and hasnt scored a top 10 in the series, but did score 50 points and a top 10 at valkenswaard last year in MX2.
those 450 and 250 highlights get a lot of exposure, even used on generic sports shows.
loubongo knows that, the sponsors see that
I don't know how much but someone will know the cost of flying a bike around to all the MX2 races, its sure going to be a lot more than driving a van around Europe.
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