Broc Tickle provisional antidoping suspension from WADA/FIM

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jeffro503 4/13/2018 1:51pm
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Wait.....aren't these just some basic ingredients in like protein powder's and weight gain formula's? They are on the banned list? I think most protein bars have these ingredients?
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Just damn.
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I’m sorry guys, failed WADA tests for pre workouts from GNC and Dr prescribed adderall don’t point to a drug ring in modern MX. I just...
I’m sorry guys, failed WADA tests for pre workouts from GNC and Dr prescribed adderall don’t point to a drug ring in modern MX. I just don’t buy it. Plus the guys that have failed for this meaningless junk weren’t even among the best physical athletes. Sorry.

Once i see someone fail a test for higher than average levels of test, an anabolic, epo, gh or something like that, then I’ll have this discussion. I just don’t see any evidence guys. The only ones who got close to peaking my interest are the Moss brothers and they haven’t been AMA for who knows how long, they are on a different continent.
Pretty sure GNC isnt selling stuff that would result in an FDA and DEA raid like the Supp companies.

Just google DMAA Raids. Its all in the court system now to determine if it will be banned permanently but alot of Supp companies had all their stuff confiscated.

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twotwosix 4/13/2018 1:57pm
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Sure, but their coaches and trainers are smarter.
Why do you think bodybuilders have coaches and "trainers", I mean drug protocol gurus?


Asimo, it may exist. It may. Let’s be real. But I don’t see it man. I just don’t. We would have evidence by now. I hate to say it, but the pro Moto industry just isn’t smart enough or rich enough to pull off a multi year scheme with zero failures. We would have had ugly test failures by now. For damn sure at least one bonehead would have screwed up.

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twotwosix 4/13/2018 1:59pm
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Asimo wrote:
Pretty sure GNC isnt selling stuff that would result in an FDA and DEA raid like the Supp companies. Just google DMAA Raids. Its all in...
Pretty sure GNC isnt selling stuff that would result in an FDA and DEA raid like the Supp companies.

Just google DMAA Raids. Its all in the court system now to determine if it will be banned permanently but alot of Supp companies had all their stuff confiscated.

I’ll take your ‘pretty sure’ and follow it up with an ‘I’m very sure they do’.

I ran multiple supplement stores over a region for a living for many years. I know more about the topic than you do. 1,3 DMAA is still in supps even after the stimulant was so called ‘banned’. I've competed in enough BB shows and trained enough folks to have a very good perspective on doing in moto.
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Asimo 4/13/2018 2:00pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Wait.....aren't these just some basic ingredients in like protein powder's and weight gain formula's? They are on the banned list? I think most protein bars have...
Wait.....aren't these just some basic ingredients in like protein powder's and weight gain formula's? They are on the banned list? I think most protein bars have these ingredients?
No. Not at all for the most part and it would be on the label.

Its marketed as a gnarly stim like the old ephedrine but probably way more powerful, at least for me it was. Patrick Arnold originallly brought this stuff to market when the Ephedrine/Ephedra ban came in around 2005-6.

Lots stocked up on DMAA when the news of the raids hit. So far, its still legal, but barely.
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51xc 4/13/2018 2:00pm
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He's not shooting heroin into his eyelids, guys. If this is trace amounts, he may have had a low-end protein bar at the airport the day...
He's not shooting heroin into his eyelids, guys. If this is trace amounts, he may have had a low-end protein bar at the airport the day before the test...


https://www.usada.org/athlete-advisory-methylhexaneamine-and-dietary-supplements/
athlets could just stay clear of supplements and eat healthy. don't eat shit you have no clue about what it contains...athlete or not. pretty simple.
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KennyT 4/13/2018 2:01pm
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Tickle is one of my favorite riders on the track. But dammit you have to know what’s legal n what’s not. If it’s up to his trainer to keep him from fouling up like this then it’s all on Baker. If it’s something they Broc did behind Bakers back then it’s all onTickle. Someone who should not be blamed is the testing crew. They are here to clean up a mess and if the riders can’t figure it out then they need to sit
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731chopper 4/13/2018 2:02pm
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Wow.

An a related/unrelated note can somebody fill me in on what these pre and post workout magic potions do?

I work out and am decently fit but all I drink is water before, during and after workouts. I might eat a protein bar a few times a week but really those are just a substitute for something worse like a cookie or candy bar. I'm not saying I'm anywhere near the level of pros but should I be taking these magic potions that all the smoothie and vitamin shops tend to rave about? I'm not looking to become the terminator or benchpress a tractor, I just want to be healthy and have the strength/stamina to enjoy riding.
devindavisphoto 4/13/2018 2:03pm
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So where exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine found? Protein bars? Steroids? There's a lot of accusations and assumptions on this thread, but what exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine?
Andy_Greenney 4/13/2018 2:05pm
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It’s must be an absolute minefield for these guys trying to train, recover etc and knowing what to take and what to avoid. Would this stuff really have any beneficial effect to a rider...doubtful.
Andy_Greenney 4/13/2018 2:06pm
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So where exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine found? Protein bars? Steroids? There's a lot of accusations and assumptions on this thread, but what exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine?
From what I understand a stimulant found in a lot of energy/pre workout drinks. Not even in the same ball park as AAS
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Asimo 4/13/2018 2:06pm
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Pretty sure GNC isnt selling stuff that would result in an FDA and DEA raid like the Supp companies. Just google DMAA Raids. Its all in...
Pretty sure GNC isnt selling stuff that would result in an FDA and DEA raid like the Supp companies.

Just google DMAA Raids. Its all in the court system now to determine if it will be banned permanently but alot of Supp companies had all their stuff confiscated.

twotwosix wrote:
I’ll take your ‘pretty sure’ and follow it up with an ‘I’m very sure they do’. I ran multiple supplement stores over a region for a...
I’ll take your ‘pretty sure’ and follow it up with an ‘I’m very sure they do’.

I ran multiple supplement stores over a region for a living for many years. I know more about the topic than you do. 1,3 DMAA is still in supps even after the stimulant was so called ‘banned’. I've competed in enough BB shows and trained enough folks to have a very good perspective on doing in moto.
Lol, not a chance bud.. Maybe you didnt read correctly. I NEVER said it was banned when the raids happened and lots of product was confiscated.

My old neighbors run one of the biggest sellers of DMAA who coincidentally have the biggest place in the industry brew all their supps. Including all their DMAA blends.
And its not banned currently. Its still in the courts.


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Asimo 4/13/2018 2:09pm
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It’s must be an absolute minefield for these guys trying to train, recover etc and knowing what to take and what to avoid. Would this stuff...
It’s must be an absolute minefield for these guys trying to train, recover etc and knowing what to take and what to avoid. Would this stuff really have any beneficial effect to a rider...doubtful.
Eat food.
Why do you think the FDA and DEA raided all the Supp companies selling it including the main company brewing and labeling for most Supp companies?

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aeffertz 4/13/2018 2:11pm
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Well let's wait for the final verdict and story before we start pointing fingers or making wild assumptions...
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Asimo 4/13/2018 2:11pm
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devindavisphoto wrote:
So where exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine found? Protein bars? Steroids? There's a lot of accusations and assumptions on this thread, but what exactly is 5-methylhexan-2-amine?
There is no assumptions, only facts.

If you look at the last 2 ingredients here, the last is 1,3 DMAA which converts. Both are listed on the wada site.
lots of other items in this banned also.
Methylhexaneamine is known by many names including 1,3-dimethylamylamine (DMAA), dimethylpentylamine (DMP) 4-methylhexan-2-amine, Geranamine, and geranium oil,




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731chopper wrote:
Wow. An a related/unrelated note can somebody fill me in on what these pre and post workout magic potions do? I work out and am decently...
Wow.

An a related/unrelated note can somebody fill me in on what these pre and post workout magic potions do?

I work out and am decently fit but all I drink is water before, during and after workouts. I might eat a protein bar a few times a week but really those are just a substitute for something worse like a cookie or candy bar. I'm not saying I'm anywhere near the level of pros but should I be taking these magic potions that all the smoothie and vitamin shops tend to rave about? I'm not looking to become the terminator or benchpress a tractor, I just want to be healthy and have the strength/stamina to enjoy riding.
90% just marketing BS that get kids coming into GNC to buy. A light stim pre-workout can help if you feel thats lacking though. You're $ is better spent on real food.
Andy_Greenney 4/13/2018 2:12pm
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Eat food. Why do you think the FDA and DEA raided all the Supp companies selling it including the main company brewing and labeling for most...
Eat food.
Why do you think the FDA and DEA raided all the Supp companies selling it including the main company brewing and labeling for most Supp companies?

Of course there is no substitute for food, but sometimes getting enough calories down can be hard. We are getting a stream of stuff coming to market here that’s removed again a short time later, the pre workout market is big!

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line-up 4/13/2018 2:12pm
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What's the suspension time for this violation if it sticks?
I might be wrong, but I think that, with the updated Wada code, the suspension time could be four years.
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Bummer, and a huge headache and loss for him even if unintentional.
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Falcon 4/13/2018 2:17pm
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Well, there goes Broc's '18, '19 and '20 seasons. Maybe they'll figure out if he can race again in 2021 before that year rolls around.

EDIT: after reading line-up's post, maybe it's '18, '19, '20, '21 and '22.

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HenryA 4/13/2018 2:17pm
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Did not see that one coming Blink
sbarrington314 4/13/2018 2:18pm
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So you're telling me all I needed to do was eat the correct protein bars and I could have got a factory KTM ride? Dang it.
Andy_Greenney 4/13/2018 2:18pm
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How old is Broc? 2 years is a long time out
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twotwosix 4/13/2018 2:21pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
How old is Broc? 2 years is a long time out
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Falcon wrote:
Well, there goes Broc's '18, '19 and '20 seasons. Maybe they'll figure out if he can race again in 2021 before that year rolls around. EDIT...
Well, there goes Broc's '18, '19 and '20 seasons. Maybe they'll figure out if he can race again in 2021 before that year rolls around.

EDIT: after reading line-up's post, maybe it's '18, '19, '20, '21 and '22.

So if that is the case then career over right? Damn that’s harsh.
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put_chug 4/13/2018 2:54pm
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Atleast it only took over 2 months from test to press release.
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PTshox 4/13/2018 2:55pm
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Is this fake news?

I couldn't resist. Sorry.

I read on a different site its' a 4 year suspension. 6 months is plenty. The AMA needs to dump the FIM WADA rules.
This guy, if guilty, doesn't deserve a 4 year suspension. That's just flat stupid.

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