Matthes just took his shirt off!

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Media with agendas aren't practicing journalism. If you're gonna be a "journalist", you never let it get personal. That line is continually crossed. Tho, I wont...
Media with agendas aren't practicing journalism.

If you're gonna be a "journalist", you never let it get personal. That line is continually crossed.

Tho, I wont pretend Matthes or MX have the monopoly on that. You see media in all sports & politics let things get personal and then hide behind their "journalist" badge to defend their breach of industry ethics. And in more established sports we aint talking mechanics turned bloggers/podcasters. Were talking formally trained journalists AND editors that should know better.

We as consumers should set the bar higher and ask more of our media. Deeming them a success because they piss people off is setting the bar incredibly low dont you think?
As someone who actually is a formally trained journalist, I think you're being a bit unfair to Matthes.

One, reporting the news and being a pundit are not the same thing. Matthes is paid to give his opinion.

Two, the motocross industry is far too small to support a group of true professional journalists.

I certainly don't think there is much "real" journalism in motocross, but I give it a pass because the people in this industry are doing pretty well given the circumstances.
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Much needed. In 2016 Anaheim 2 practice I told the AMA ref holding us for practice if someone made a mistake they would go over the berm n land on us, he said he just holds us for practice, as soon as he turned around I saw Anderson clip the triple n he sent his bike over the berm n over my head drilling two guys next to me. Me n the AMA ref looked at each other like wtf. We relocated for staging after that.
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Much needed. In 2016 Anaheim 2 practice I told the AMA ref holding us for practice if someone made a mistake they would go over the...
Much needed. In 2016 Anaheim 2 practice I told the AMA ref holding us for practice if someone made a mistake they would go over the berm n land on us, he said he just holds us for practice, as soon as he turned around I saw Anderson clip the triple n he sent his bike over the berm n over my head drilling two guys next to me. Me n the AMA ref looked at each other like wtf. We relocated for staging after that.
Alrighty then, this debate is over.
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10/25/2017 3:24pm Edited Date/Time 10/25/2017 3:25pm
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As someone who actually is a formally trained journalist, I think you're being a bit unfair to Matthes. One, reporting the news and being a pundit...
As someone who actually is a formally trained journalist, I think you're being a bit unfair to Matthes.

One, reporting the news and being a pundit are not the same thing. Matthes is paid to give his opinion.

Two, the motocross industry is far too small to support a group of true professional journalists.

I certainly don't think there is much "real" journalism in motocross, but I give it a pass because the people in this industry are doing pretty well given the circumstances.
I dont disagree with what you said.

But if you're going to be a "pundit" then you cant use journalism as a defense.

And pundits dont demand access to teams/riders in the name of journalism. You'd have to be closely involved in the race scene to see how it goes. Certain media members pose as journalists to get access, and then the moment the podcast goes live they use that info to stir shit and play the pundit role.


Just because the sport is small, which you're right it is, doesnt give anyone an excuse for ignoring basic journalistic standards if they are going to call themselves a journalist.

This sport has never had a friendly relationship with it's media. And to the media's credit, it hasnt always been fair. Some media members are more promoters/propaganda agents than journalists, and that is fine. There is a place for that in every sport. And there is a place for pundits as well.

David Emmett comes to mind in MotoGP. He's a "journalist" that is VERY skilled at putting pen to paper. But he's not even coy in his bias' and personal issues with certain riders or nationalities. The riders know it. And their attitudes toward David and other MotoGP media like him range from "annoyed" to straight up wont allow him near their pits. It's a shitty situation that warrants criticism.

I'll give you another good example of a media member we all know and how Ive seen him operate and at times piss people off, yet not cross any lines. GuyB and his camera. Teams get nervous when he's clicking pic's. Riders hate the close up pics that show their settings. And when GuyB is inbound, whispers of "media alert" spread through a team. But there's a healthy respect there also. Nobody talks shit on GuyB because it's not personal. He's got a job to do and they know it. He get's access and Ive never seen anyone be a dick to him or talk a bunch of shit the moment he turns his back. He's a necessary evil as far as teams are concerned and things have always appeared cordial from what Ive seen.

Has he taken pics that have upset certain teams/riders? You're damn right. But has he ever been accused of having an agenda or going after a team/rider? Not to my knowledge. First of all, it just wouldnt be true. GuyB truly has no dog in the fight. He has his opinions on stuff, but you'd rarely know it. He simply doesnt cross that line. That's why nobody talks shit and nobody can deny him the access he deserves as a journalist.


There's nothing wrong with being Skip Bayless. But you dont see Skip getting locker room access either. He gave up his "journalist" card a LOOONG time ago. And if someone wants to really dig up dirt and cause controversy, go after the AMA like that guy at Cycle News used too. That guy rattled cages and did so in the name of journalism and he was fucking awesome.

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Nice to see RC participated in testing...
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Random story: I was at an arenacross in Fort Worth probably 15 years ago and a guy went off the track over a bowl turn and...
Random story:

I was at an arenacross in Fort Worth probably 15 years ago and a guy went off the track over a bowl turn and literally landed in a horse stall. The opening into the stall was like a 3 x 6 foot rectangle at the top of the stall.
I can't for the life of me remember who it was but I know he was relatively well known at the time in arenacross. Maybe Tommy Hofmaster...
Correct you are
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Jabroni,

I think your points are good. And I think Matthes himself has often tried to distance himself from the journalist label.

I think it goes both ways. The media members in this sport need to do a better job of getting at least somewhere close to real journalism, and the sport absolutely needs to become more conducive to journalism. I can't help but shake my head at this industry most of the time.

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10/25/2017 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/25/2017 6:04pm
He took everything off a few years ago...


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Anything for berms.

Although we're now going to see if the tracker designers can use their noggins, getting multiple line options right with four-strokes is hard... Not like you just stick a 120foot option on the wide line to make up for it. They're going to have to super slow up the insides somehow.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
He took everything off a few years ago... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/10/25/221847/s1200_Matthes_Big_Fan.jpg[/img]
He took everything off a few years ago...


Well everyone around does seem to be impressed!
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Holy moly!! I had no idea this thread would stimulate so much controversy Blink I started it because I’ve heard Matthes rant about the disappearance of bowl turns and what it did to racing and figured the title would be a good laugh. I personally really enjoy Matthes’s content and agree that bowl turns will bring better racing.

Anyways, stoked for some bigger bowl turns next year! And sand rhythms and whatever else they decide to throw out there. Change will be good, especially from the track design aspect IMO. Hell anything that lets the dudes with raw talent stretch there legs is cool to me. Especially since we lack dudes like Stewart, Hill and others who consistantly raised the bar and forced everyone else to rise with them. Hopefully these changes will bring back some of that same excitement.
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10/25/2017 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 10/25/2017 8:21pm
Feld repurposing Circus nets. How about those Chimps?
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I dont disagree with what you said. But if you're going to be a "pundit" then you cant use journalism as a defense. And pundits dont...
I dont disagree with what you said.

But if you're going to be a "pundit" then you cant use journalism as a defense.

And pundits dont demand access to teams/riders in the name of journalism. You'd have to be closely involved in the race scene to see how it goes. Certain media members pose as journalists to get access, and then the moment the podcast goes live they use that info to stir shit and play the pundit role.


Just because the sport is small, which you're right it is, doesnt give anyone an excuse for ignoring basic journalistic standards if they are going to call themselves a journalist.

This sport has never had a friendly relationship with it's media. And to the media's credit, it hasnt always been fair. Some media members are more promoters/propaganda agents than journalists, and that is fine. There is a place for that in every sport. And there is a place for pundits as well.

David Emmett comes to mind in MotoGP. He's a "journalist" that is VERY skilled at putting pen to paper. But he's not even coy in his bias' and personal issues with certain riders or nationalities. The riders know it. And their attitudes toward David and other MotoGP media like him range from "annoyed" to straight up wont allow him near their pits. It's a shitty situation that warrants criticism.

I'll give you another good example of a media member we all know and how Ive seen him operate and at times piss people off, yet not cross any lines. GuyB and his camera. Teams get nervous when he's clicking pic's. Riders hate the close up pics that show their settings. And when GuyB is inbound, whispers of "media alert" spread through a team. But there's a healthy respect there also. Nobody talks shit on GuyB because it's not personal. He's got a job to do and they know it. He get's access and Ive never seen anyone be a dick to him or talk a bunch of shit the moment he turns his back. He's a necessary evil as far as teams are concerned and things have always appeared cordial from what Ive seen.

Has he taken pics that have upset certain teams/riders? You're damn right. But has he ever been accused of having an agenda or going after a team/rider? Not to my knowledge. First of all, it just wouldnt be true. GuyB truly has no dog in the fight. He has his opinions on stuff, but you'd rarely know it. He simply doesnt cross that line. That's why nobody talks shit and nobody can deny him the access he deserves as a journalist.


There's nothing wrong with being Skip Bayless. But you dont see Skip getting locker room access either. He gave up his "journalist" card a LOOONG time ago. And if someone wants to really dig up dirt and cause controversy, go after the AMA like that guy at Cycle News used too. That guy rattled cages and did so in the name of journalism and he was fucking awesome.
Your last sentence : Henry Ray Abrams. R.I.P

People should chase up his writings.

They'd be stunned by the BS within the AMA / Racing he exposed.

The utter antithesis of most "Motorcycle Journalists", and those like Loungos' mouthpieces (MXGeoff etc) , and the mouthpieces of FELD and others.

The Sport desperately needs a few more like him. We'd be far better off for it.
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Bearuno wrote:
Your last sentence : Henry Ray Abrams. R.I.P People should chase up his writings. They'd be stunned by the BS within the AMA / Racing he...
Your last sentence : Henry Ray Abrams. R.I.P

People should chase up his writings.

They'd be stunned by the BS within the AMA / Racing he exposed.

The utter antithesis of most "Motorcycle Journalists", and those like Loungos' mouthpieces (MXGeoff etc) , and the mouthpieces of FELD and others.

The Sport desperately needs a few more like him. We'd be far better off for it.
Thank you. I always forget his name. I never forget the impact he left on me when I read his pieces.

He was so damn good. He did journalism proud.


It takes a special person to be "that guy". It's one part troll, a heavy dose of narcissism, a sprinkle of clairvoyance, and a huge set of balls.

When u got all those ingredients EXCEPT the balls, you go after the low hanging fruit such as riders and their parents.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
He took everything off a few years ago... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/10/25/221847/s1200_Matthes_Big_Fan.jpg[/img]
He took everything off a few years ago...


Melicar wrote:
Well everyone around does seem to be impressed!
I don't know. Red Dog seems to be squinting to see it or looking at his belly button lint.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
He took everything off a few years ago... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/10/25/221847/s1200_Matthes_Big_Fan.jpg[/img]
He took everything off a few years ago...


Melicar wrote:
Well everyone around does seem to be impressed!
Plugga wrote:
I don't know. Red Dog seems to be squinting to see it or looking at his belly button lint.
I don't know JT$ seems to be pretty impressed and the guy in the trailer looks like he's really digging Matthes. LOL.
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What was the original photo of Ezza? What were Timmy and JT looking at?
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Crush wrote:
What was the original photo of Ezza? What were Timmy and JT looking at?
Wut? I thought that was the original picture.....
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So what are going to call them. ...
Matthes Nets
Pulp Nets
Steve Nets

Dude, that Matthes Net saved Mellross and his bike. Good thing that was there!
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pbody wrote:
So what are going to call them. ... Matthes Nets Pulp Nets Steve Nets Dude, that Matthes Net saved Mellross and his bike. Good thing that...
So what are going to call them. ...
Matthes Nets
Pulp Nets
Steve Nets

Dude, that Matthes Net saved Mellross and his bike. Good thing that was there!
Pulp Nets 100%.
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The Steve Matthes Memorial Nets.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
He took everything off a few years ago... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/10/25/221847/s1200_Matthes_Big_Fan.jpg[/img]
He took everything off a few years ago...


Tim Ferry looks like a Who from the Grinch.

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Liquor ball sammiches!!
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10/26/2017 5:24pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2017 6:14pm
Crush wrote:
What was the original photo of Ezza? What were Timmy and JT looking at?
I can't remember and now I'm curious.Unsure Laughing

EDIT: Took me a while... Bit disappointed now.Laughing

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Crush wrote:
What was the original photo of Ezza? What were Timmy and JT looking at?
EZZA 95B wrote:
I can't remember and now I'm curious.:unsure: :laugh: EDIT: Took me a while... Bit disappointed now.:laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/10/26/221999/s1200_s1200_motoxdesnations_013.5.jpg[/img]
I can't remember and now I'm curious.Unsure Laughing

EDIT: Took me a while... Bit disappointed now.Laughing

Where is JT$ when you need him?!

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