$90 for 2 laps Escore transponders.

9/6/2017 10:24am
This past weekend there were a lot of delays in the race day because they were short on transponders. People were having to let people borrow them for a race and then pass them back when done riding. It sure would have been nice if there were more to go around. They should just charge people to replace them when they don't get returned.
9/6/2017 10:39am
APLMAN99 wrote:
So their product sat unused and unrentable for them for that long and you expect them to eat the cost? The $90 wasn't for the two...
So their product sat unused and unrentable for them for that long and you expect them to eat the cost?

The $90 wasn't for the two laps, it was for the 6 weeks of rental. I'm pretty sure that your rental agreement doesn't include any per lap fees........
I suppose the product sitting used and unrentable must have indeed represented that additional $50 cost to escore. Ok then. Can I get the $40 usage...
I suppose the product sitting used and unrentable must have indeed represented that additional $50 cost to escore. Ok then. Can I get the $40 usage charge back since I didn't use it? I was not scored in a race.
APLMAN99 wrote:
If you rent a car in Vegas but don't drive it other than to the hotel and back to the airport, do you get a refund...
If you rent a car in Vegas but don't drive it other than to the hotel and back to the airport, do you get a refund of the 5 days it sat in the hotel parking lot?

From personal experience, the answer is "no".

The additional rental is their loss of potential income from it. I rent equipment constantly. I pay by the day, week, or month whether I actually use the equipment the entire time or not. Otherwise, they rental company could potentially be renting that equipment out to another customer rather than simply having it sit next to my shop.

Common sense doesn't appear to be as common as you'd think.......
I like the common sense that says having a transponder company come in and score the race costs the racers more than if they were charged to pay for scorekeepers. That drives up costs for customers which is bad for business.
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9/6/2017 10:59am
Yes you heard right, $90 to use a transponder for two laps in practice. Sign up Friday for Sat/Sun event. Pay for Friday "early" practice. $25...
Yes you heard right, $90 to use a transponder for two laps in practice.

Sign up Friday for Sat/Sun event.
Pay for Friday "early" practice. $25
Go ahead and pay $40 for use of transponder for the weekend plus the $100 deposit to avoid having to come back to the sign up tower Saturday morning to get it.
Crush leg 2 laps into Friday practice.
Straight to hospital in ambulance, transport to another hospital, transport again. 3 weeks in hospital, surgery, one week in hospital head home for the remaining hell that still continues 3 months later. (No weight on leg for 3 months beyond surgery, and now seeing nerve damage to top it off)

So my favorite part of this is,... when it comes to returning your transponder, each Monday that passes, they suck up $10 of your $100 deposit. I still havent touched/washed the bike three months after the crash. I am the dad who does all the work on bikes, pays for the trips, basically does it all, and although I was able to get a friend (one I trusted going into my locked trailer) to get the transponder for me, I still had to get chueffered around later to pay and ship it.
So they keep the $40 they charge to use it, and $50 of the deposit. $90 just to strap the thing on my bike? Can I at least get the laptime information from my 1st lap of practice? LOL

When tracks decide to do business with companies like this, it hurts the sport. No wonder rich people are the only ones left racing mx. It must all be big business nowdays. Someone has found a way to get rich off of transponders now.

Ok....I'm going to try " not " sound like a dick here , but what Huck said / asked is exactly the same thing I would have.

I'm really sorry to hear that you got hurt. That sucks really bad and I wish you a speedy recovery. With that being said though.....if you held onto the transponder for that long , of course they are going to charge you for it. If you would have had the chance to return it earlier , they could have rented it out to someone else. In fact it sounds like " They " lost money in this as well. The could have rented it out to someone else , collected a deposit and so forth.

You're out $90.00 for a transponder , but probably have about a 200k in medical bills.....and you are complaining about the transponder deal? $90.00.....really? You were hurt pretty bad , but most business's aren't in business as a charity.

Really sorry to hear about everything that happened.....but sheesh. Kind of a small deal considering everything else.....right?
9/6/2017 11:17am
Yes you heard right, $90 to use a transponder for two laps in practice. Sign up Friday for Sat/Sun event. Pay for Friday "early" practice. $25...
Yes you heard right, $90 to use a transponder for two laps in practice.

Sign up Friday for Sat/Sun event.
Pay for Friday "early" practice. $25
Go ahead and pay $40 for use of transponder for the weekend plus the $100 deposit to avoid having to come back to the sign up tower Saturday morning to get it.
Crush leg 2 laps into Friday practice.
Straight to hospital in ambulance, transport to another hospital, transport again. 3 weeks in hospital, surgery, one week in hospital head home for the remaining hell that still continues 3 months later. (No weight on leg for 3 months beyond surgery, and now seeing nerve damage to top it off)

So my favorite part of this is,... when it comes to returning your transponder, each Monday that passes, they suck up $10 of your $100 deposit. I still havent touched/washed the bike three months after the crash. I am the dad who does all the work on bikes, pays for the trips, basically does it all, and although I was able to get a friend (one I trusted going into my locked trailer) to get the transponder for me, I still had to get chueffered around later to pay and ship it.
So they keep the $40 they charge to use it, and $50 of the deposit. $90 just to strap the thing on my bike? Can I at least get the laptime information from my 1st lap of practice? LOL

When tracks decide to do business with companies like this, it hurts the sport. No wonder rich people are the only ones left racing mx. It must all be big business nowdays. Someone has found a way to get rich off of transponders now.

jeffro503 wrote:
Ok....I'm going to try " not " sound like a dick here , but what Huck said / asked is exactly the same thing I would...
Ok....I'm going to try " not " sound like a dick here , but what Huck said / asked is exactly the same thing I would have.

I'm really sorry to hear that you got hurt. That sucks really bad and I wish you a speedy recovery. With that being said though.....if you held onto the transponder for that long , of course they are going to charge you for it. If you would have had the chance to return it earlier , they could have rented it out to someone else. In fact it sounds like " They " lost money in this as well. The could have rented it out to someone else , collected a deposit and so forth.

You're out $90.00 for a transponder , but probably have about a 200k in medical bills.....and you are complaining about the transponder deal? $90.00.....really? You were hurt pretty bad , but most business's aren't in business as a charity.

Really sorry to hear about everything that happened.....but sheesh. Kind of a small deal considering everything else.....right?
Right. You did great and you are right.

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9/6/2017 11:33am
I would invest in my own transponder its not that much and saves costs over time.
9/6/2017 11:36am
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old...
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old mom who lives 5 hours away come nurse for me has pointed out to me that maybe its no longer practical to go out and throw down anymore. (That and being so broke that I am bitching about $90 might be a sign also) She certainly isnt into it like when I was a kid to listen to her talk. When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say youre gonna be ok. Now she bringz me food and says youre a dumbass. Shes never been wrong much, its got me worried.
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say you're gonna be ok. Now she brings me food and says you're a dumbass" Laughing Laughing
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9/6/2017 12:00pm
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Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke...
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say you're gonna be ok. Now she brings me food and says you're a dumbass" Laughing Laughing
Seems his mom is a pretty smart lady! Wink
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9/6/2017 12:16pm
Ruptured my achilles at the Red Bud regional in 2015 in the first moto. Was pulling out of the place early and the wife says, "did you return the transponder?" !!!!!! Dizzy Part of me thought it was the least off my worries and the other part of me hobbled back to the trailer and hobbled up to sign up to return it.

I know how things like that escalate and didn't want it to turn into some crazy ordeal. I'm actually surprised you kept it for 5 weeks and were only charged 50$. I thought if they didn't get it back that weekend your 100$ was gone.

Sorry about your injuries, but you are being pretty unreasonable here. I'm sure that after a couple weeks they figured they would never see it again even though you said it was on its way. They've probably heard the story a hundred times.
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9/6/2017 12:20pm
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Ok....I'm going to try " not " sound like a dick here , but what Huck said / asked is exactly the same thing I would...
Ok....I'm going to try " not " sound like a dick here , but what Huck said / asked is exactly the same thing I would have.

I'm really sorry to hear that you got hurt. That sucks really bad and I wish you a speedy recovery. With that being said though.....if you held onto the transponder for that long , of course they are going to charge you for it. If you would have had the chance to return it earlier , they could have rented it out to someone else. In fact it sounds like " They " lost money in this as well. The could have rented it out to someone else , collected a deposit and so forth.

You're out $90.00 for a transponder , but probably have about a 200k in medical bills.....and you are complaining about the transponder deal? $90.00.....really? You were hurt pretty bad , but most business's aren't in business as a charity.

Really sorry to hear about everything that happened.....but sheesh. Kind of a small deal considering everything else.....right?
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
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9/6/2017 12:26pm
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It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of it. Your examples represent vey open markets with many options. Just saying.
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9/6/2017 12:36pm
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It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
early wrote:
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of...
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of it. Your examples represent vey open markets with many options. Just saying.
I agree with you to a point. However, using the BlockBuster scenerio that was a very closed market with little to no major competitors. Then Netflix came in and buried them. And part of it was because people were sick of getting screwed by Late fees. It wasn't till the end of BlockBuster's existence that they went away from late fees but by then it was already to late.

Another example is Amazon. Yes, they are in a very competitive market, however they provide excellent customer service. Of course your experience may vary, but on the whole their customer service is very highly rated. Their customer managers have the authority to step around some return policies warranty policies. Why does Amazon give them this this power? Because it makes good business sense in certain situations. No need to hold a moms feet to the flames when little johnny breaks his Amazon tablet and she has missed the warranty period by two weeks. Why? Because then mom might take her business somewhere else. So would Amazon rather lose all that potential future business or just replace the Kids fire tablet at a cost to Amazon of probably 20 bucks. Well you can see what Amazon does and why their customers love them.
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9/6/2017 1:08pm
What a snowflake

Friend of mine won a mud bogging competition at a small CA track. before he collected his winnings he was asked to do a demo in the track owners monster truck. He crashed and went to hospital. Later when his wife asked the track owner for his winnings from the mud bog win, the owner said "if he didn't come by the pay-out window on the same day he doesn't get paid, regardless if he was in hospital or not, those are the rules posted and agreed to"

His injuries were a lot worse than yours
9/6/2017 1:13pm
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What a snowflake Friend of mine won a mud bogging competition at a small CA track. before he collected his winnings he was asked to do...
What a snowflake

Friend of mine won a mud bogging competition at a small CA track. before he collected his winnings he was asked to do a demo in the track owners monster truck. He crashed and went to hospital. Later when his wife asked the track owner for his winnings from the mud bog win, the owner said "if he didn't come by the pay-out window on the same day he doesn't get paid, regardless if he was in hospital or not, those are the rules posted and agreed to"

His injuries were a lot worse than yours
Yeh, i see what you're saying. The way it oughta be fo sho. Your friend still involved with the competitions over there?
9/6/2017 1:24pm
TXDirt wrote:
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
early wrote:
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of...
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of it. Your examples represent vey open markets with many options. Just saying.
All this critical thinking and deliberation in one place!!! Lets face it, I could get on every mx related website and say that escore stole my truck, trailer, kids, wife, dog, bikes, and even my beloved shi-tsu and it would not matter. The track is their customer and we pay the fee. The track doesnt have to pay for scorekeepers (not as many anyways), and we pay a ton of money collectively to escore wether were happy or not. The track and escore win and we figure out how to afford this sport. Then they piss off some pee-on like me over 90 bucks and we all chat about it. They could charge 60 a day for the damn things and mxers will keep paying.
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9/6/2017 1:39pm
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It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
TX i totally get what you're saying , and if I was the guy running the place that rented out those transponder's , and I talked to this guy , and heard his story......shit yeah I would of waived the fee's. Maybe that's the " fellow mot-head " in me , as I feel for my brother's out there. But I doubt 99% of the business's out there would do that.

Look at it this way. If you leave your house for 1 , 2 or 3 months......not using your cable tv , electricity , water , or even your phone that entire time......you still have to pay for each and every one of those services the entire time , weather you used them or not. The only way to not get billed.....have the services shut off before you leave. They don't care if you used them or not.....and they sure would not give a crap if you did or not either.
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9/6/2017 1:57pm
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It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
jeffro503 wrote:
TX i totally get what you're saying , and if I was the guy running the place that rented out those transponder's , and I talked...
TX i totally get what you're saying , and if I was the guy running the place that rented out those transponder's , and I talked to this guy , and heard his story......shit yeah I would of waived the fee's. Maybe that's the " fellow mot-head " in me , as I feel for my brother's out there. But I doubt 99% of the business's out there would do that.

Look at it this way. If you leave your house for 1 , 2 or 3 months......not using your cable tv , electricity , water , or even your phone that entire time......you still have to pay for each and every one of those services the entire time , weather you used them or not. The only way to not get billed.....have the services shut off before you leave. They don't care if you used them or not.....and they sure would not give a crap if you did or not either.
No one would disagree with your examples.

But I'll give another one.

When mortgage companies were foreclosing on service members deployed overseas.

The mortgage companies were acting within their own policies and were acting within the law. So they were doing nothing illegal or against policy. However, was what they were doing morally or ethically right? No. And it took public and government pressure to make them change their policies.

I understand this is about as far from that as we can get as it pertains to a transponder.

But the principal is exactly the same.
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9/6/2017 2:40pm
huck wrote:
How is this the track's (or anybody but your) fault?
Sorry to hear about your accident brightlights! What a total dick response huck! I missed the part where brightlights blamed somebody else. I don't think he was trying to blame someone, but rather point out someones lack of compassion and empathy. You're looking at this with regards to fault...not compassion, which you apparently lack. Sure it was his fault he broke his leg. Sure he probably signed a contract saying they CAN continue to bill him......but just because they CAN bill him for this, does it make it right? Does it make it better for our sport? Did they really miss that single transponder to the point that they lost money not having it? Here's another idea; some rules can/should be broken based on their merits. A fellow brethren is down and out and some of you are piling on him even more....SWEET!
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9/6/2017 2:50pm
huck wrote:
How is this the track's (or anybody but your) fault?
Motoxdoc wrote:
Sorry to hear about your accident brightlights! What a total dick response huck! I missed the part where brightlights blamed somebody else. I don't think he...
Sorry to hear about your accident brightlights! What a total dick response huck! I missed the part where brightlights blamed somebody else. I don't think he was trying to blame someone, but rather point out someones lack of compassion and empathy. You're looking at this with regards to fault...not compassion, which you apparently lack. Sure it was his fault he broke his leg. Sure he probably signed a contract saying they CAN continue to bill him......but just because they CAN bill him for this, does it make it right? Does it make it better for our sport? Did they really miss that single transponder to the point that they lost money not having it? Here's another idea; some rules can/should be broken based on their merits. A fellow brethren is down and out and some of you are piling on him even more....SWEET!
I myself was not beating the guy down , and said numerous times I felt bad about what happened. I was merely pointing out that a lot of business's don't show the compassion that some fellow moto brother's might. My riding days would be done if I was to get hurt like that. I work for myself and would probably lose everything anyways. So yeah....I feel for the guy big time.
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9/6/2017 3:07pm
huck wrote:
How is this the track's (or anybody but your) fault?
Motoxdoc wrote:
Sorry to hear about your accident brightlights! What a total dick response huck! I missed the part where brightlights blamed somebody else. I don't think he...
Sorry to hear about your accident brightlights! What a total dick response huck! I missed the part where brightlights blamed somebody else. I don't think he was trying to blame someone, but rather point out someones lack of compassion and empathy. You're looking at this with regards to fault...not compassion, which you apparently lack. Sure it was his fault he broke his leg. Sure he probably signed a contract saying they CAN continue to bill him......but just because they CAN bill him for this, does it make it right? Does it make it better for our sport? Did they really miss that single transponder to the point that they lost money not having it? Here's another idea; some rules can/should be broken based on their merits. A fellow brethren is down and out and some of you are piling on him even more....SWEET!
jeffro503 wrote:
I myself was not beating the guy down , and said numerous times I felt bad about what happened. I was merely pointing out that a...
I myself was not beating the guy down , and said numerous times I felt bad about what happened. I was merely pointing out that a lot of business's don't show the compassion that some fellow moto brother's might. My riding days would be done if I was to get hurt like that. I work for myself and would probably lose everything anyways. So yeah....I feel for the guy big time.
Someone actually called him entitled. Some brotherhood.
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9/6/2017 3:33pm
Man from the sound of that crash, and the medical bills, and horrific injurys, the last thing that woulda bothered me woulda been the transponder fee Laughing Blink

Heal up soon! Hope no nerve damage yikes.
9/6/2017 3:56pm
TXDirt wrote:
Man you all can't just let a guy vent a bit without climbing up on your pedestal first and then slinging your arrows. Aren't bikers supposed...
Man you all can't just let a guy vent a bit without climbing up on your pedestal first and then slinging your arrows. Aren't bikers supposed to be a sorta of fraternity of brothers?

The OP isn't asking for any resolution to the matter. He understands he's out the money.

His comment about the policy of the transponders sucks in some situations. Which it does.

You all would feel better if you stopped acting like miserable smug people all the time.
This x2
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9/6/2017 4:39pm
TXDirt wrote:
Man you all can't just let a guy vent a bit without climbing up on your pedestal first and then slinging your arrows. Aren't bikers supposed...
Man you all can't just let a guy vent a bit without climbing up on your pedestal first and then slinging your arrows. Aren't bikers supposed to be a sorta of fraternity of brothers?

The OP isn't asking for any resolution to the matter. He understands he's out the money.

His comment about the policy of the transponders sucks in some situations. Which it does.

You all would feel better if you stopped acting like miserable smug people all the time.
This x2
This. Must be a bunch of pure 100% upstanding citizens in here who never make a mistake.
9/6/2017 6:58pm
I didnt mean to get anyone in trouble. LOL. I knew what I was in for when I posted. Its all good, but figured maybe there was a conversation to be had on the topic. Some of you made mention of how small the transponder trouble is compared to the rest of the BS ive been through with bills etc. True, but I guess it has been one of those things I have thought about since this injury happened. I wanted to get it back to them and get the deposit back because I was down to counting the last few 100 bills to my name while waiting on a couple stragler checks from customers for whom I had done work to come in. So when i got out and was being driven around it was one of the things I jumped on taking care of in my relaxed narcominded state.So when I only got a $50 refund I took it and spent the money just as fast as I could and went on. I really just had some thoughts about it at the time and moved on. Now this damn injury thing has drug on way too long, and I am tapping out. So while digging for change in the sofa, all my thoughts on the $50 came in full swing today. Building a staircase hopping on one leg is good exersize, i am headed that way now to make a dollar. I was kinda leanin on the mx bro mentality with the whole conversation. Weve all seen how the mx community takes care of those in need including the companies who cater to the mxers . I may be broke but this post isnt about me needing money cuz I can go make some, but we have seen companies in our sport really do alot of giving and one day when I have a transponder company, I am going to at least waive slow return deposit withholdings for any hospitalized riders from the event. You can count on that,....but you might not be able to count on me having a transponder rental company. At least not in the mx realm. Sport is already too expensive and it only drives up the cost to the participants.
Jeffro, in no way did I take what you said as bashing.
Weird that this crash was so non-scary compared to so many crashes I have had. Its wierd because this should just be a broken leg. Instead it is a surgical peice of art (accorsing to the doctors), and it has done a good job of keeping me from being out taking care of customers. No weight for like 4-6 months. I wish I was 20 again. Still thankful things aint worse, weve had to many folks getting banged up worse than me so I still feel l7cky. Except for my $90!!
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9/6/2017 7:17pm
You got nothing to apologize for. Hopefully the "men" who decided to jump on their pedestals and sling arrows can also be man enough to apologize for being such a-holes for no good reason.
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9/6/2017 9:11pm
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old...
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old mom who lives 5 hours away come nurse for me has pointed out to me that maybe its no longer practical to go out and throw down anymore. (That and being so broke that I am bitching about $90 might be a sign also) She certainly isnt into it like when I was a kid to listen to her talk. When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say youre gonna be ok. Now she bringz me food and says youre a dumbass. Shes never been wrong much, its got me worried.
lostboy819 wrote:
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke...
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say you're gonna be ok. Now she brings me food and says you're a dumbass" Laughing Laughing
Reminds me of my wife- "Moto? You mean dumbasses doing stupid shit?" Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo
She is actually more supportive of that, but she thinks moto is just a form of mental illness.
9/6/2017 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2017 9:38pm
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old...
Thanks for yalls best wishes on recovering. Ive raced all my life except for 12 years off, but this time havin to have my 70yr old mom who lives 5 hours away come nurse for me has pointed out to me that maybe its no longer practical to go out and throw down anymore. (That and being so broke that I am bitching about $90 might be a sign also) She certainly isnt into it like when I was a kid to listen to her talk. When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say youre gonna be ok. Now she bringz me food and says youre a dumbass. Shes never been wrong much, its got me worried.
lostboy819 wrote:
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke...
Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but this line hit me hard and my sides still hurt . "When I was a kid with a broke arm, shed bring me food and say you're gonna be ok. Now she brings me food and says you're a dumbass" Laughing Laughing
NorCal 50+ wrote:
Reminds me of my wife- "Moto? You mean dumbasses doing stupid shit?" :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: She is actually more supportive of that, but she thinks moto...
Reminds me of my wife- "Moto? You mean dumbasses doing stupid shit?" Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo
She is actually more supportive of that, but she thinks moto is just a form of mental illness.
Your wife is absolutely right. Even still I will probably ride again. Ive quit before and lived in a shell of my former mx self.. Im gonna see yow fast I can get by the time I am +50 eligible. What? No mental illness here!
9/7/2017 3:00am
TXDirt wrote:
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to...
It's the principal of the matter I believe is why he is complaining. Not necessarily the cost at all. Sure, the company has every right to deduct his fees for the time he had the transponder. Due to a situation partially out of his control he was not able to return the transponder. The company charged him. We get that and they have every right to.

However, this is where it takes someone with a brain at the company to understand that he absolutely would have returned the transponder if not for the medical emergency he was in.

So if I am someone at this company and I read this I absolutely return his money because that is good business sense to do so. Policies are there to ensure the transponders are returned in a reasonable time. Certain circumstances can arise though where one can't return the transponder due to extreme circumstance. The company should recognize this and a higher up at the company should ensure he gets a full refund. Why? Because that's good business sense.

I'll give you two examples:

1. Do you know one of the top reasons why customers shop at Costco? Because of their hassle free return policy. Why does Costco have a hassle free return policy? Because it makes good business sense.

2. I have a small town grocer in my town and they will pretty much accept any food return even without a receipt? Why because it makes good business sense to treat customers well. There is a new chain grocery that opened up. So his good will he has created with customers will allow him to battle the competition who has very rigid return policies.

I would also like to point out that Blockbuster also had very punitive late fees. And this was part of the reason they are now out of business because a competitor entered the market and provided an easier way to watch movies with NO LATE FEES.

I would expect in the future people will basically either use throw away transponders (they will be built so cheap you can throw away) or possible manufactures will include transponder technology on the motorcycle when you buy it.

So it would be in the best interest of the transponder company mentioned in this thread to build some good will with it's paying customers. Not shit on them because of some iron clad policy that no one is capable of stepping around when an extenuating circumstance arises.

Just to use yet one more example, the rental car market is extremely competitive and they make a huge percentage of their money on REPEAT CUSTOMERS. This is typically why they don't shit all over their customers because they need those customers to be repeats in the future. They are constantly comping a rental, or upgrading a rental, or doing many things to ensure you will repeat as a customer. In fact, it's more important that you be a repeat customer in the future then the revenue they get from you that day. Because if they shit on you that day, the next time you need a rental you will go to a competitor. And the competitor will take care of you and you will then be a repeat customer for them.
early wrote:
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of...
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of it. Your examples represent vey open markets with many options. Just saying.
TXDirt wrote:
I agree with you to a point. However, using the BlockBuster scenerio that was a very closed market with little to no major competitors. Then Netflix...
I agree with you to a point. However, using the BlockBuster scenerio that was a very closed market with little to no major competitors. Then Netflix came in and buried them. And part of it was because people were sick of getting screwed by Late fees. It wasn't till the end of BlockBuster's existence that they went away from late fees but by then it was already to late.

Another example is Amazon. Yes, they are in a very competitive market, however they provide excellent customer service. Of course your experience may vary, but on the whole their customer service is very highly rated. Their customer managers have the authority to step around some return policies warranty policies. Why does Amazon give them this this power? Because it makes good business sense in certain situations. No need to hold a moms feet to the flames when little johnny breaks his Amazon tablet and she has missed the warranty period by two weeks. Why? Because then mom might take her business somewhere else. So would Amazon rather lose all that potential future business or just replace the Kids fire tablet at a cost to Amazon of probably 20 bucks. Well you can see what Amazon does and why their customers love them.
I disagree. Those two "won" because people didn't have to get off their ass to do something.

I think Amazon customer service sucks. You have to struggle to even figure out how to contact them. I don't think on the whole its very highly rated. It's just that I am a Prime member so it comes to my house in two days for "free" (Prime cost), the price is reasonable, and the selection is nearly endless.

Blockbuster wouldn't have thrived with no late fees. They would have immediately went out of business with no discs to rent. Pointing and clicking was always going to win.

Anyway: moral of the story (to me) is buy your own transponder.
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9/7/2017 3:16am
Dude your missin the boat. This is America. Land of scum sue happy. "little arab poked a new hole in your hole"??
Sue the Fkn Hospital and buy your own transponder Co,
Live happy after Smile
Speedy recovery to you sir.
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9/7/2017 4:13am
early wrote:
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of...
Good in theory but mylaps pretty much has a monopoly in the transponder department and it seems escore does the same with the front end of it. Your examples represent vey open markets with many options. Just saying.
TXDirt wrote:
I agree with you to a point. However, using the BlockBuster scenerio that was a very closed market with little to no major competitors. Then Netflix...
I agree with you to a point. However, using the BlockBuster scenerio that was a very closed market with little to no major competitors. Then Netflix came in and buried them. And part of it was because people were sick of getting screwed by Late fees. It wasn't till the end of BlockBuster's existence that they went away from late fees but by then it was already to late.

Another example is Amazon. Yes, they are in a very competitive market, however they provide excellent customer service. Of course your experience may vary, but on the whole their customer service is very highly rated. Their customer managers have the authority to step around some return policies warranty policies. Why does Amazon give them this this power? Because it makes good business sense in certain situations. No need to hold a moms feet to the flames when little johnny breaks his Amazon tablet and she has missed the warranty period by two weeks. Why? Because then mom might take her business somewhere else. So would Amazon rather lose all that potential future business or just replace the Kids fire tablet at a cost to Amazon of probably 20 bucks. Well you can see what Amazon does and why their customers love them.
I disagree. Those two "won" because people didn't have to get off their ass to do something. I think Amazon customer service sucks. You have to...
I disagree. Those two "won" because people didn't have to get off their ass to do something.

I think Amazon customer service sucks. You have to struggle to even figure out how to contact them. I don't think on the whole its very highly rated. It's just that I am a Prime member so it comes to my house in two days for "free" (Prime cost), the price is reasonable, and the selection is nearly endless.

Blockbuster wouldn't have thrived with no late fees. They would have immediately went out of business with no discs to rent. Pointing and clicking was always going to win.

Anyway: moral of the story (to me) is buy your own transponder.
Netflix started as a DVD rental business before they had any kind of streaming business. In fact, they were a DVD rental business a full 7 years before they ever streamed their first movie. How can they not run out of discs but the multi billion dollar BlockBuster does?
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9/7/2017 4:35am
Cheap transponders already exist we use them at local races here ,it's just a sticker that goes on your helmet and they usually last Life of your helmet they're $5.00
As far as your nerve damage the feeling will come back after a few months, been through this a few times.

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