Official idiotic Tomac front brake opinion thread

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Swann 5/28/2017 8:18am
5/28/2017 8:18am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2017 8:37am
"The front brake on this thing is pretty gnarly. We run a works billet front caliper which gives the front brake a really firm feel."

Firm feel, indeed.

Eli's fancy pants works billet front caliper. These are handmade by Shaolin monks using centuries old and highly secretive techniques. One caliper takes 50 years to produce.


The magnesium front caliper similar to the one RV ran (same one used by the Euro team):


Note the position of the banjo bolt on Eli's master cylinder:


Note the position of the banjo bolt on RV's master cylinder:


Consider that jet fuel alone cannot melt steel:


Conclusion:
The Russian's are clearly meddling with the outcome of our motocross races.
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NV825 5/28/2017 8:40am
5/28/2017 8:40am
Swann wrote:
"The front brake on this thing is pretty gnarly. We run a works billet front caliper which gives the front brake a really firm feel." Firm...
"The front brake on this thing is pretty gnarly. We run a works billet front caliper which gives the front brake a really firm feel."

Firm feel, indeed.

Eli's fancy pants works billet front caliper. These are handmade by Shaolin monks using centuries old and highly secretive techniques. One caliper takes 50 years to produce.


The magnesium front caliper similar to the one RV ran (same one used by the Euro team):


Note the position of the banjo bolt on Eli's master cylinder:


Note the position of the banjo bolt on RV's master cylinder:


Consider that jet fuel alone cannot melt steel:


Conclusion:
The Russian's are clearly meddling with the outcome of our motocross races.
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Goondurance 5/28/2017 8:46am
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Nissin pot metal junk..
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seth505 5/28/2017 8:54am
5/28/2017 8:54am
Shoulda bought the Brembos I sold off my last 250sx. Reasonable price and work great.

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Tarz483 5/28/2017 8:57am
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I'm just wondering why they didn't change the front wheel
Instead of cut the brake line ?
The spare wheel would already have a new disc on wouldn't it ?
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Swann 5/28/2017 9:06am
5/28/2017 9:06am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2017 9:06am
Tarz483 wrote:
I'm just wondering why they didn't change the front wheel Instead of cut the brake line ? The spare wheel would already have a new disc...
I'm just wondering why they didn't change the front wheel
Instead of cut the brake line ?
The spare wheel would already have a new disc on wouldn't it ?
It probably wasn't a bent rotor in which case changing the front wheel would have been a waste of time. The problem was somewhere between the caliper and the master cylinder. Only quick way to solve that problem is to release the pressure (e.g. cut the line). They wouldn't send Tomac back out there with a bent rotor. It takes quite a wallop to bend a rotor, especially one encased in carbon fiber.

This happened way too soon in the race for his front brake to be overheated. I suspect either a rock got lodged in there somewhere or the caliper was compromised somehow in a collision, causing the system to lock up. But as I suggested earlier, it's more than likely the Russians.
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Hut 5/28/2017 9:12am
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Tarz483 wrote:
I'm just wondering why they didn't change the front wheel Instead of cut the brake line ? The spare wheel would already have a new disc...
I'm just wondering why they didn't change the front wheel
Instead of cut the brake line ?
The spare wheel would already have a new disc on wouldn't it ?
It was a hydraulic problem not a bent rotor
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Moto331 5/28/2017 9:18am
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USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
This right here. Eli is my favorite writer, so it's tough when he's so inconsistent
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DPW 5/28/2017 9:18am
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I had the same thing happen to me years ago where after a lap the front brake locked up. I was using an aftermarket brake lever and the hole in the brake lever where the plunger sits wasn't drilled deep enough and after the system heated up the wheel would lock up.
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Swann 5/28/2017 9:34am
5/28/2017 9:34am
Moto331 wrote:
This right here. Eli is my favorite writer, so it's tough when he's so inconsistent
Totally agree. Eli's use of iambic pentameter is almost Shakespearean in nature. I cannot wait to read his next novel.
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IWreckALot 5/28/2017 10:07am
5/28/2017 10:07am
FalseNeutral wrote:
Who is he using now? I think everyone should know which company just ruined the championship ...again
USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time he gets a mid pack start.

If he said he didn't hit someone, I have to imagine he jacked his break when he had that awkward stop when grant was on the ground. His front tire pushed really hard in the dirt if you go back and watch. Not sure if he was having that problem prior but it looked like a pretty abrupt hit to the front brake area.
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captmoto 5/28/2017 10:08am
5/28/2017 10:08am
One more brake issue might be enough to put the title out of reach for Eli. That would be a shitty way to miss a title. I wonder how his confidence in the bike will be next week.
sbarrington314 5/28/2017 10:13am
5/28/2017 10:13am
FalseNeutral wrote:
Who is he using now? I think everyone should know which company just ruined the championship ...again
You mean made the championship interesting? He's 15 points back. That is nothing with 10 rounds left in the nationals. Hell, that's nothing even if it were 10 rounds of SX left.
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seth505 5/28/2017 10:17am
5/28/2017 10:17am
FalseNeutral wrote:
Who is he using now? I think everyone should know which company just ruined the championship ...again
USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
IWreckALot wrote:
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time...
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time he gets a mid pack start.

If he said he didn't hit someone, I have to imagine he jacked his break when he had that awkward stop when grant was on the ground. His front tire pushed really hard in the dirt if you go back and watch. Not sure if he was having that problem prior but it looked like a pretty abrupt hit to the front brake area.
No no, ask gnarwhip. Eli deserves all championships no matter what. In addition, if you're a Marvin fan you're a dbag and don't get how Eli automatically deserves all the wins.
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Motofinne 5/28/2017 10:26am
5/28/2017 10:26am
I thought someone had a set of SXS Brembos for sale in the Bazaar, can someone forward that to camp Tomac?
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klaüs 5/28/2017 10:35am
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Swann wrote:
Totally agree. Eli's use of iambic pentameter is almost Shakespearean in nature. I cannot wait to read his next novel.
My sentiments exactly. Laughing Laughing
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JM485 5/28/2017 10:38am
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NV825 wrote:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/CHrvwiG.jpg[/img]
I'm not about to quote the picture book above yours, but this is exactly what I had in mind with this thread, well played gentlemen. Just to add to the conspiracy, I saw Eli feverishly deleting emails just before the start of moto 2, so take that for what it's worth. I'll probably now go commit a questionable suicide for even mentioning it though. . .
jorgechavez 5/28/2017 10:43am
5/28/2017 10:43am
IWreckALot wrote:
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time...
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time he gets a mid pack start.

If he said he didn't hit someone, I have to imagine he jacked his break when he had that awkward stop when grant was on the ground. His front tire pushed really hard in the dirt if you go back and watch. Not sure if he was having that problem prior but it looked like a pretty abrupt hit to the front brake area.
Looked to me that him getting all sketchy near Grant there is when it started locking up.

I really don't think you can blame his starts for this, I mean had he got a top 5 start that would have been considered good and he would have just as good a chance for it to fail. Not to mention he said himself he didn't hit anything, whether that's true or not I'm not sure.

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speed_racer 5/28/2017 11:00am
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This is the time for someone to invent the device that enables the front brake to work regardless of a bent disc or overheated master cylinder. I have the device in my mind, it's a simple pressure relief system, every racer would have this system and it would stop the dreaded front brake lock up. The brake might not work great once defected, but it would never lock up because the valve would compensate for the pressure increase.

Was Eli running the ARC master cylinder?
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YZfan1230 5/28/2017 11:33am
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Swann wrote:
Totally agree. Eli's use of iambic pentameter is almost Shakespearean in nature. I cannot wait to read his next novel.
This is the best thing I've read all day
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cbuehler767 5/28/2017 12:48pm
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IWreckALot wrote:
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time...
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time he gets a mid pack start.

If he said he didn't hit someone, I have to imagine he jacked his break when he had that awkward stop when grant was on the ground. His front tire pushed really hard in the dirt if you go back and watch. Not sure if he was having that problem prior but it looked like a pretty abrupt hit to the front brake area.
He's in an elite group for all-time raw speed with RC, Bubba, and Villo. Only diff is those dudes were at the front of the pack just about every start especially RC.
theonlinelegend 5/28/2017 1:31pm
5/28/2017 1:31pm
USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
His bad starts make for better racing...For us. I like to watch his charge through the pack.
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IWreckALot 5/28/2017 2:39pm
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USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
IWreckALot wrote:
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time...
Truer words were never spoken. His starts are just flat out puzzling. Huge Eli fan but I just throw my hands in the air every time he gets a mid pack start.

If he said he didn't hit someone, I have to imagine he jacked his break when he had that awkward stop when grant was on the ground. His front tire pushed really hard in the dirt if you go back and watch. Not sure if he was having that problem prior but it looked like a pretty abrupt hit to the front brake area.
seth505 wrote:
No no, ask gnarwhip. Eli deserves all championships no matter what. In addition, if you're a Marvin fan you're a dbag and don't get how Eli...
No no, ask gnarwhip. Eli deserves all championships no matter what. In addition, if you're a Marvin fan you're a dbag and don't get how Eli automatically deserves all the wins.
Lol. I haven't seen a more bitter butthurt fanboy than that guy. It's like the whole ktm team kicked his dog when dungey won the sx ship.
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WVUpetro2013 5/28/2017 2:42pm
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The real question is whether Kawi torqued the sprocket bolts or not. It's well known that an untorqued sprocket directly correlates to a hydraulic pressure increase.
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IWreckALot 5/28/2017 2:45pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
Looked to me that him getting all sketchy near Grant there is when it started locking up. I really don't think you can blame his starts...
Looked to me that him getting all sketchy near Grant there is when it started locking up.

I really don't think you can blame his starts for this, I mean had he got a top 5 start that would have been considered good and he would have just as good a chance for it to fail. Not to mention he said himself he didn't hit anything, whether that's true or not I'm not sure.
that's probably fair. But if his front wheel stabbing right where grant was down, you could argue that a better start would have put him in a position to not have to maneuver around all of that.

My only further comment in tomacs starts is that you haven't seen any other dominant rider have as inconsistent starts as tomac. If he's going to go on a tear of championships, he's going to have to figure out how to not get buried in the pack.
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USMCMXer 5/28/2017 2:47pm
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USMCMXer wrote:
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is...
Did that same company force him into two shit starts as well? Eli is frustrating to pull for because the only thing he does consistently is make mistakes, get poor starts, and digs a championship hole that is ridiculously difficult to dig out of! C'mon Eli!
theonlinelegend wrote:
His bad starts make for better racing...For us. I like to watch his charge through the pack.
True, his charges through traffic are epic!
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kzizok 5/28/2017 2:54pm
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Moto331 wrote:
This right here. Eli is my favorite writer, so it's tough when he's so inconsistent
Swann wrote:
Totally agree. Eli's use of iambic pentameter is almost Shakespearean in nature. I cannot wait to read his next novel.
Your purple prose just gives you away.
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jsleeds 5/28/2017 9:33pm
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Clearly the secret to tomacs speed is that Kawi are running a 2 wheel drive system. Problems are arising but if they revert to 1 wheel drive tomac will lose 5 seconds a lap
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CrGuy2T 5/28/2017 9:36pm
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I'll loan him one


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