The night that changed it all Pt.1 & 2

Craze
Posts
1412
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sin City, NV, USA
Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 10:09am



|
bogdan912
Posts
2722
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Estell Manor, NJ, USA
2/12/2009 7:42pm
That track was really wide.
fcr
Posts
9348
Joined
12/1/2006
Location
Monkeys Eyebrow, YE
2/12/2009 7:44pm
30 second girl has some hairy legs.
moto814
Posts
284
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Indianola, IA, USA
2/12/2009 7:48pm
A truly sad day in motocross history.
Ing
Posts
3654
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Spring Hill, FL, USA
2/12/2009 8:05pm
moto814 wrote:
A truly sad day in motocross history.
How true.

The Shop

Spinner
Posts
3198
Joined
8/1/2006
Location
Fayettenam, AR, USA
2/12/2009 8:08pm
Can't believe you guys hate Doug Henry so much.
mxjef
Posts
909
Joined
8/19/2006
Location
Fountain Valley, CA, USA
2/12/2009 8:11pm
fcr wrote:
30 second girl has some hairy legs.
Just be glad there was no ass shaking going on...
crowe176
Posts
6613
Joined
9/8/2006
Location
Spring Lake, MI, USA
2/12/2009 8:14pm
Did you see Bradshaw cut across the whoops? Lil Hanny would have whooped his ass for that.
SPARTAN
Posts
161
Joined
1/1/2008
Location
Hopetown, CA, USA
2/12/2009 8:16pm
moto814 wrote:
A truly sad day in motocross history.
Doug Henry basically has given his life to the sport, i don't know how you you could say that.

Ohh maybe it's the technology thing. but still DOUG HENRY ! WARRIOR !!!
Craze
Posts
1412
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sin City, NV, USA
2/12/2009 8:21pm
I was there that night and I left feeling that motocross/supercross will never be the same again.
crowe176
Posts
6613
Joined
9/8/2006
Location
Spring Lake, MI, USA
2/12/2009 8:23pm
Still not fast enough. Make it a 450.
Craze
Posts
1412
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sin City, NV, USA
2/12/2009 8:38pm
crowe176 wrote:
Still not fast enough. Make it a 450.
There were a lot of rumors back then that the displacement was around 550 - 600 cc for that bike, I mean they had the AMA rule book to use, which in 1997 allowed up to 650cc for a 4 stroke. I was at Glen Helen for the national and Henry holeshoted both motos, started in 2nd gear and never shifted until the 1st turn from the start!!!
Camp332
Posts
8695
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Zoo Jersey, USA
2/12/2009 8:51pm
moto814 wrote:
A truly sad day in motocross history.
SPARTAN wrote:
Doug Henry basically has given his life to the sport, i don't know how you you could say that. Ohh maybe it's the technology thing. but...
Doug Henry basically has given his life to the sport, i don't know how you you could say that.

Ohh maybe it's the technology thing. but still DOUG HENRY ! WARRIOR !!!
You better recognize that Moto814 is a 2 Stroke God.

Doug Henry is the man!
todder
Posts
1608
Joined
10/20/2006
Location
Sw, WI, USA
2/12/2009 8:56pm
bogdan912 wrote:
That track was really wide.
X2 Why cant they make the tracks like that now? Seems like tracks are far narrower(shitty) now.
Craze
Posts
1412
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sin City, NV, USA
2/12/2009 9:03pm
bogdan912 wrote:
That track was really wide.
todder wrote:
X2 Why cant they make the tracks like that now? Seems like tracks are far narrower(shitty) now.
I think that they thought if they make them narrower, the racing would be closer.....
Tiki
Posts
10615
Joined
8/1/2006
Location
Corona, CA, USA
Fantasy
2/12/2009 10:20pm
Craze wrote:
I was there that night and I left feeling that motocross/supercross will never be the same again.
I was there as well. I thought then and still do, that YZF400 was bad ass!

I really dont think it wasn't that one race that changed it at all. It was the EPA laws that had changed. Yamaha knew this, took advantage of it and in my opinion made a wise business decision. At that time we saw the YZF but it was common thought that there would be no way Yamaha could produce a bike of that caliber in a production bike. Seeing that first production YZF on the covers of the MX mags was a huge shock. Yamaha did what was thought impossible. Motocross Competitive four stroke that wasn't a XR hog. Henry took the idea that others didnt want any part of and with Yamaha and Henry together proved that it could be done.

Henry was the right man for the Job.

gt80rider
Posts
7052
Joined
4/19/2008
Location
Boulder, CO, USA
2/12/2009 10:36pm
I wonder if RC even remembers that night........ he knocked himself silly trying to keep up with K-dub.... K-dub was at his absolute best that night, flawless perfection in motion..... if he was as fast today as he was that night, Blubba wouldn't be on cruise control all the time....

Slick, slick track that night......
jmar
Posts
14154
Joined
2/11/2007
Location
Oklahoma City, OK, USA
2/12/2009 10:59pm
Craze wrote:
I was there that night and I left feeling that motocross/supercross will never be the same again.
Tiki wrote:
I was there as well. I thought then and still do, that YZF400 was bad ass! I really dont think it wasn't that one race that...
I was there as well. I thought then and still do, that YZF400 was bad ass!

I really dont think it wasn't that one race that changed it at all. It was the EPA laws that had changed. Yamaha knew this, took advantage of it and in my opinion made a wise business decision. At that time we saw the YZF but it was common thought that there would be no way Yamaha could produce a bike of that caliber in a production bike. Seeing that first production YZF on the covers of the MX mags was a huge shock. Yamaha did what was thought impossible. Motocross Competitive four stroke that wasn't a XR hog. Henry took the idea that others didnt want any part of and with Yamaha and Henry together proved that it could be done.

Henry was the right man for the Job.

Ever since that day, something has been missing in my life. I have had this hole inside me that I just can’t seem to fill. I don’t sleep well and my doctor wants to put me on anti-depressants. I just keep hoping that some day that dammed evil noisy ass thumper will just go away so my life can get back to normal.

It's not badass Tiki, it's just bad.
Craze
Posts
1412
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sin City, NV, USA
2/12/2009 11:04pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:28pm
Craze wrote:
I was there that night and I left feeling that motocross/supercross will never be the same again.
Tiki wrote:
I was there as well. I thought then and still do, that YZF400 was bad ass! I really dont think it wasn't that one race that...
I was there as well. I thought then and still do, that YZF400 was bad ass!

I really dont think it wasn't that one race that changed it at all. It was the EPA laws that had changed. Yamaha knew this, took advantage of it and in my opinion made a wise business decision. At that time we saw the YZF but it was common thought that there would be no way Yamaha could produce a bike of that caliber in a production bike. Seeing that first production YZF on the covers of the MX mags was a huge shock. Yamaha did what was thought impossible. Motocross Competitive four stroke that wasn't a XR hog. Henry took the idea that others didnt want any part of and with Yamaha and Henry together proved that it could be done.

Henry was the right man for the Job.

It had nothing to do with the EPA. Here's the skinny.....

Yamaha engineer Yoshiharu Nakayama first came up with the idea of creating the first competitive four stroke race motocross bike. The Yamaha YZ400F was developed to fit into this category. It solved the power dilemma by borrowing superbike technology and giving the YZ a five valve head, liquid cooling and a 12.5-1 compression ratio.

In 1997, Yamaha rocked the motocross world with the introduction of the YZ400M prototype, a concept motorcycle which borrowed much technology from road racing. The YZM was far ahead of all competition among four stroke motocross bikes. Doug Henry piloted the YZ400M to its first victory in 1997 at the Las Vegas Supercross. This was the first time any four stroke had won an AMA event. The YZ400M was the predecessor of the production YZ400F, which was released the next year. Doug Dubach had more influence of the development than Doug Henry did
Loose
Posts
901
Joined
9/12/2007
Location
Mackay, AU
2/12/2009 11:08pm
crowe176 wrote:
Still not fast enough. Make it a 450.
Craze wrote:
There were a lot of rumors back then that the displacement was around 550 - 600 cc for that bike, I mean they had the AMA...
There were a lot of rumors back then that the displacement was around 550 - 600 cc for that bike, I mean they had the AMA rule book to use, which in 1997 allowed up to 650cc for a 4 stroke. I was at Glen Helen for the national and Henry holeshoted both motos, started in 2nd gear and never shifted until the 1st turn from the start!!!
I always thought that the development of the YZF was mostly done by the Yamaha/Arrows F1 team.

Aparently Yamaha said we need a 4 stroke engine that weighs this much, produces this much power, this size displacement and will fit in this frame and Arrows developed it.

I could be wrong but I heard it from a very good source.
Tiki
Posts
10615
Joined
8/1/2006
Location
Corona, CA, USA
Fantasy
2/13/2009 12:16am
From what I remember, the EPA laws that were started in place and being imposed in 1995 which included all two cycle engines, stated that there would be additional fees on two cycle engines over the displacement of 50cc's by 2006. This was not cost effective for the manufactures to meet. The fees were essentially the cost of the bikes. The idea was to phase out the gross polluters. Including non road engines. (democrats at work) I was following this through Honda, friends that worked at Torrance. The word was, the 2001 CR250 was to be the last. Thus the 2002 450 deadline. This was back in 99. It was Bush pushed back the ruling for his buddies in Industry, it allowed a stay of execution on the two stroke. For every gross pollutant (which doesn't make sense to me, four stroke MX bikes aint clean and green versions were on the books.) The big four knew of this and got started on it. The clean bikes met pre-deadline would award credits toward past deadline.

I think this is where the Yoshiharu Nakayama factor came in.Those companies often have employee competitions to meet the companies needs. So I don't disagree with your story. I just remember what prompted it here in California. It was even to be believed that the four strokes would be California specific. Back to the issue, everyone was working on a four stroke. Meantime taking advantage of the cc ruling. Yamaha used the Works rule to give it wings. Starting in Europe, then coming to America.

The laws are still out there, and my guess seeing the KTM electric bike there may be something still happening.

The stories of this week is a good example of how one little thing in Washington have such a huge effect on our sport.

Those early 400's were cool. Im still pretty stoked with the modern big bore four strokes. The manufactures won for sure. They are jack knife bikes. Dirt Track, Off Road, Motocross, even some single's road racing bikes. With the current cabinet in place, i.e. Clinton term returned, I wouldn't expect to much in the future.

So, true or not that was the story coming out of the industry in the late 90's and it happened to be in line with what was going on politically.
zjbell
Posts
2796
Joined
10/13/2006
Location
CA, CA, USA
2/13/2009 1:28am
I love my 450.
jmar
Posts
14154
Joined
2/11/2007
Location
Oklahoma City, OK, USA
2/13/2009 6:15am
zjbell wrote:
I love my 450.
Your just not a hardcore moto guy.
2/13/2009 6:45am
haha - I remember RC laughing after a Southwick (?) moto where John Dowd holeshot by a country mile on his KTM 520....and saying something like "man, it was tough to pass out there - especially Dowd on that 800...."

Gold.
lumpy790
Posts
11478
Joined
9/18/2007
Location
York, SC, USA
2/13/2009 6:56am
Bunch of has beens and an euegly 30 sec girl!


Silly
huck
Posts
17024
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Mountain Home, AR, USA
2/13/2009 7:01am
zjbell wrote:
I love my 450.
x2



How about how many times DB was messing up? And you guys give Emig shit for it...
catatonic
Posts
1575
Joined
3/20/2008
Location
Cape cod, MA, USA
2/13/2009 7:05am
TheWeapon wrote:
haha - I remember RC laughing after a Southwick (?) moto where John Dowd holeshot by a country mile on his KTM 520....and saying something like...
haha - I remember RC laughing after a Southwick (?) moto where John Dowd holeshot by a country mile on his KTM 520....and saying something like "man, it was tough to pass out there - especially Dowd on that 800...."

Gold.
I had an '05 525 for a couple years......you could holeshot almost every moto with little effort. By lap 4 though it was a handful.
raddad
Posts
2286
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Wrenshall, MN, USA
2/13/2009 7:21am
zjbell wrote:
I love my 450.
jmar wrote:
Your just not a hardcore moto guy.
You have that back wards i am afraid jmar. True core MXr's are 4stk fans. That's the base of MX and the "rice burners" or "ring dings" etc. were the scourge of the sport even in the USA in the late 60's early 70's and if you rode one you were considered a spode, a Jap lover or some other unkind expletive.

The thing is that most of the two stroke fanatics are young and were not around in the beginning of MX here in the USA and of course not in Europe, the home of MX. I love 4 stks, always have even though for 30 years i almost exclusively raced 2 stks!

I do not like the 4 stk because its popular or its all i can get. I like it cause its much more fun to ride and always has been. If you like explosive wheel spinning power that makes you "look" fast then you will like the smoker. If you like to "go fast" you will like the four banger.

Remember, the four stroke has been around a lot longer than the smoker so do not talk of "core MX" people when you mention the smoker, its simply not true..
indy_maico
Posts
5102
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Indianapolis, IN, USA
2/13/2009 7:41am
zjbell wrote:
I love my 450.
jmar wrote:
Your just not a hardcore moto guy.
raddad wrote:
You have that back wards i am afraid jmar. True core MXr's are 4stk fans. That's the base of MX and the "rice burners" or "ring...
You have that back wards i am afraid jmar. True core MXr's are 4stk fans. That's the base of MX and the "rice burners" or "ring dings" etc. were the scourge of the sport even in the USA in the late 60's early 70's and if you rode one you were considered a spode, a Jap lover or some other unkind expletive.

The thing is that most of the two stroke fanatics are young and were not around in the beginning of MX here in the USA and of course not in Europe, the home of MX. I love 4 stks, always have even though for 30 years i almost exclusively raced 2 stks!

I do not like the 4 stk because its popular or its all i can get. I like it cause its much more fun to ride and always has been. If you like explosive wheel spinning power that makes you "look" fast then you will like the smoker. If you like to "go fast" you will like the four banger.

Remember, the four stroke has been around a lot longer than the smoker so do not talk of "core MX" people when you mention the smoker, its simply not true..
The 2-strokes in moto in the late 60's and early 70's were mostly European bikes, Maicos, Huskies, CZ's, Bultacos, Montesas

The DT-MX Yamahas, TM Suzukis were not competitive, Kawasaki's were rare, and Hondas were a joke.

It wasn't until the first YZ's that Japanese bikes became competitive with the Euros.

Ozy
Posts
2263
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
USA
2/13/2009 7:51am
moto814 wrote:
A truly sad day in motocross history.
this statement has absolutely nothing to do with Doug Henry and I agree.

I guess we need VOLBASS to come out of hiding and explain it to you new guys. MX went from a rich man's sport to a millionaires sport during the 4 pork era. Sure there are a few exceptions but the cost of racing is very prohibitive to the average person with a family

Post a reply to: The night that changed it all Pt.1 & 2

The Latest