Why Tomac dominated?

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William 4/23/2017 1:30pm
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Hut wrote:
Hey Will shouldn't you be at a Klan meeting somewhere? Don't forget you little red hat.
William wrote:
Pointing out what I did has ZERO to do with racism...It is a fact...Tell me with substance where I am wrong....What is the diffrrence ?? It...
Pointing out what I did has ZERO to do with racism...It is a fact...Tell me with substance where I am wrong....What is the diffrrence ??
It is YOU that are behaving like a racist and backing up the peculiar fact that I already pointed out...
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Bringing race into this particular thread is ridiculous.
NO,...The most I would be guilty of is being wrong about my assertion....But it is really not a matter of opinion as to whether my point is a valid one...It is a fact !
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I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually. So why? What is so different? Bike...
I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually.

So why? What is so different?

Bike setup

One thing I noticed is how tall and stiff his bike is. It looks like he is riding a 500. Dungey looks like he is riding an 80.
Some of the best riders in history like Stewart and villopoto have rode there bikes very stiff and it allows them to dominate.
The down side is you have to learn to ride the bike like that. It takes time and changing technique and allows you to ride a different limit and go faster in the whoops where tomac was picking up almost a second just there.
The problem with this setup is it's high reward high risk. It allowed rozcen to dominate also.
I would of loved to see tomac of last night against roczen. We really did get screwed as race fans when rozcen got hurt.

Thoughts on tomac domination?

Dungey looks like he is riding an 80 because he is on a ktm , its tiny compared to a Kawi . plus tomac looks like he lowered his bike from the very start of the year imo .I think its all rider ,not bike for Tomac and Dunge at the mo
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kaptkaos 4/23/2017 1:44pm
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I know it probably didn't make a difference but instead of Carlos writing 'you can' on the pit board lap after lap, why not write 'skim...
I know it probably didn't make a difference but instead of Carlos writing 'you can' on the pit board lap after lap, why not write 'skim the whoops'.

Dungey lost loads of time in them unknowingly and had he picked up on that 8 laps earlier, he might have been able to hang on for a few more laps.

Thats a great point.

We dont know what he wrote every lap, but I think that would have been good to put on.

BTW- he wrote U CAN.
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William 4/23/2017 1:45pm
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William wrote:
"Moron" Is not an intelligent argument to counter in any factual or sensible, pragmatic way....It is a losing argument...Correct me in a substantial way with something...
"Moron" Is not an intelligent argument to counter in any factual or sensible, pragmatic way....It is a losing argument...Correct me in a substantial way with something of merit that directly challenges what I wrote...Otherwise you have ZERO to work with and are actually are making my point for me.
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Thank you. I totally agree. All the keyboard warriors here think they can win an argument with a simple minded personal attack. That has been allowed...
Thank you. I totally agree. All the keyboard warriors here think they can win an argument with a simple minded personal attack. That has been allowed on here for years so its rampant.

Just ignore it and use the block feature accordingly. This is not saying I agree or disagree with your initial post, just agreeing with your comment about being called a moron by a Vitard.

Back on topic, to the OP, you stated KR is also running a super stiff bike? I think it has been widely publicized that he rides a very soft sprung bike, even to the point that it may have caused his last two ejections off the Honda. Theres several articles about how he runs softer suspension and more stockish components.

However, I really do not think the stiff bike is the reason why Eli is killing it. I think RC ran a really soft rear, and so did RV and we dont know what RD runs. Basically its all over the board.

Eli is killing it because he is in his PRIME, he is gelling with his team, and the competition has NOTHING for him.

Sad but true, we only have 3 elite riders in the US, and one has a broken arm, and the other is in the sunset of his career. The rest of the riders are just very good Pro's, but they cannot compete with an Elite rider for 17 weeks. Every now and then Eli will have an off weekend and allow a JA21 or MM25 to have a win, but those guys CANNOT compete with him over 17 weeks.

Its always been this way, from MC, RC, JS7, RV, RD, now ET and KR.

Consider the Eli vs Roczen to be like Reed vs Stew.

A Chase is not going to fix this.
Thanks for the intelligent, civil exchange and the advice !

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Hut 4/23/2017 2:22pm
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William wrote:
Pointing out what I did has ZERO to do with racism...It is a fact...Tell me with substance where I am wrong....What is the diffrrence ?? It...
Pointing out what I did has ZERO to do with racism...It is a fact...Tell me with substance where I am wrong....What is the diffrrence ??
It is YOU that are behaving like a racist and backing up the peculiar fact that I already pointed out...
Hut wrote:
Bringing race into this particular thread is ridiculous.
William wrote:
NO,...The most I would be guilty of is being wrong about my assertion....But it is really not a matter of opinion as to whether my point...
NO,...The most I would be guilty of is being wrong about my assertion....But it is really not a matter of opinion as to whether my point is a valid one...It is a fact !
Trying to bring racial discrimination??? into a thread praising Tomac over a gay nickname is not valid.
That is all I have to say about that.
Go Eli!
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Hut wrote:
Bringing race into this particular thread is ridiculous.
William wrote:
NO,...The most I would be guilty of is being wrong about my assertion....But it is really not a matter of opinion as to whether my point...
NO,...The most I would be guilty of is being wrong about my assertion....But it is really not a matter of opinion as to whether my point is a valid one...It is a fact !
Hut wrote:
Trying to bring racial discrimination??? into a thread praising Tomac over a gay nickname is not valid. That is all I have to say about that...
Trying to bring racial discrimination??? into a thread praising Tomac over a gay nickname is not valid.
That is all I have to say about that.
Go Eli!
"Trying to bring racial discrimination"
I wasnt "trying" anything...Are you suggesting that sports media could not POSSIBLY be biased ??
"Gay nickname" ??? What sexual connotations are you referring to ??
It is NOT a nick NAME...it IS or WAS a "title" that was given by sports media and some fans to a particular rider early in his career.. What are you speaking of about "gay" ??
And yes it is possible for what I am saying to be spot on !! And it actually seemed quite obvious to ANYONE that is objective...
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mark_swart 4/23/2017 3:56pm
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MXA did a test on Roczens bike last year, said he actually likes really soft forks. I doubt his preference has changed that much.

Eli is dominating, quite simply, because he is in the zone. He has settings that he likes, he's fit, he's flowing. It's impossible to narrow that down to something as simple as stiff suspension.There are a lot of different ingredients that have to come together.

All I know is Dungey better figured something out if he wants to keep that number one plate.
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rancor19 4/23/2017 4:16pm
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Honda has to be kicking themselves. And that's no rip on KR, just kinda makes a guy wonder why they would've let him go the way he was dominating before his big get-off in CO. Anyway, the rest of the world is in trouble lol.
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wanglimp 4/23/2017 4:34pm
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I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually. So why? What is so different? Bike...
I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually.

So why? What is so different?

Bike setup

One thing I noticed is how tall and stiff his bike is. It looks like he is riding a 500. Dungey looks like he is riding an 80.
Some of the best riders in history like Stewart and villopoto have rode there bikes very stiff and it allows them to dominate.
The down side is you have to learn to ride the bike like that. It takes time and changing technique and allows you to ride a different limit and go faster in the whoops where tomac was picking up almost a second just there.
The problem with this setup is it's high reward high risk. It allowed rozcen to dominate also.
I would of loved to see tomac of last night against roczen. We really did get screwed as race fans when rozcen got hurt.

Thoughts on tomac domination?

William wrote:
He dominated because he is on another level as a rider than anyone else......Its no mystery... If Tomac were black he would be considered "the fastest...
He dominated because he is on another level as a rider than anyone else......Its no mystery... If Tomac were black he would be considered "the fastest man on the planet"....Dont believe it ??
Why is he not creating half the buzz that Stewart did when he put on a show even less dominate or convincing....He has been dominating all year....Dungey is FAST..Announcers act like he should be labeled Mr. Consistency...Take Tomac out of the equation and ask the other riders if Dungey is fast or not.
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resetjet 4/23/2017 4:39pm
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Got tired of rv winning, then tired of dungey, got tired of kr in short order(too cocky) not sure ill ever get tired of et. He's just a real cool dude.
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drt410 4/23/2017 4:48pm
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James dominated the 125s more than anyone ever has, thatll cause hype. Hed crash in the first turn like off the track flip over the tuff blocks get back on the bike and pass his way to first. Hed pass 4 people in 1 turn, invented a part of the riding that tomac is using, and hed set the fastest lap of the night on a 125. Noones ever been faster in that class, thatll create hype. Then when it was time to move up all he had to do was challenge Ricky friggin Carmichael. Dungeys a beast but hes not labeled the goat. Your reaching.
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Tomac is dominating because of his desire and skill, He's attacking everything and every week putting together one or two sections of the track nobody else can; I've seen Eli use a kicker to triple a section when other riders are afraid of it.
We used the term "WFO" back in the day and this is why he's come back from a 27 point deficit against a Champion like Ryan Dungey
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Lester 4/23/2017 5:14pm
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I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually. So why? What is so different? Bike...
I mean he is passing the best riders in the world like they are standing still. Quite embarrassing actually.

So why? What is so different?

Bike setup

One thing I noticed is how tall and stiff his bike is. It looks like he is riding a 500. Dungey looks like he is riding an 80.
Some of the best riders in history like Stewart and villopoto have rode there bikes very stiff and it allows them to dominate.
The down side is you have to learn to ride the bike like that. It takes time and changing technique and allows you to ride a different limit and go faster in the whoops where tomac was picking up almost a second just there.
The problem with this setup is it's high reward high risk. It allowed rozcen to dominate also.
I would of loved to see tomac of last night against roczen. We really did get screwed as race fans when rozcen got hurt.

Thoughts on tomac domination?

Big thumbs. If you look at the really dominate riders, guys like MC, RC, Stewart, RV, and the like. They all have big thumbs, no joke. Look at the pictures and don't be a stranger.
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Mr. Knobby wrote:
He dominated because he's better. People who were watching closely knew this was coming at some point. I think some people underestimated his injuries to the...
He dominated because he's better. People who were watching closely knew this was coming at some point. I think some people underestimated his injuries to the shoulders and how long it would take to truly recover from them. Now we are seeing full recovery along with a good bike setup that he likes.
This

Simply put.

Most of these peeps on here think it has to be something else and so the guessing and the "I did this, I did that"

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Mr. Knobby wrote:
He dominated because he's better. People who were watching closely knew this was coming at some point. I think some people underestimated his injuries to the...
He dominated because he's better. People who were watching closely knew this was coming at some point. I think some people underestimated his injuries to the shoulders and how long it would take to truly recover from them. Now we are seeing full recovery along with a good bike setup that he likes.
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This Simply put. Most of these peeps on here think it has to be something else and so the guessing and the "I did this, I...
This

Simply put.

Most of these peeps on here think it has to be something else and so the guessing and the "I did this, I did that"

I agree!
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pilotdude 4/23/2017 7:34pm
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In my opinion, here are the reasons why Tomac is dominating:

1. Enough time has passed since his double shoulder injury that he is back to close to his incredible form before the injury. We are seeing what probably would have continued had he not had that crash.

2. Word from my source, who is usually VERY accurate, is that there have been a number of big modifications (he even named them) to Tomac's bike to make it handle and feel very much like a Honda.

3. He has an excellent program in place, is extremely fit, and has an outstanding coach in his dad.

4. We are seeing the age-old tale of the champion being replaced by the new young lion. It is Tomac's time now, and the only thing that will stop him will be his own crashing or a mechanical. In my opinion, Eli Tomac is in the company of McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Villopoto, Dungey, and Roczen.
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StartedTooLate 4/23/2017 11:48pm
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mark_swart wrote:
MXA did a test on Roczens bike last year, said he actually likes really soft forks. I doubt his preference has changed that much. Eli is...
MXA did a test on Roczens bike last year, said he actually likes really soft forks. I doubt his preference has changed that much.

Eli is dominating, quite simply, because he is in the zone. He has settings that he likes, he's fit, he's flowing. It's impossible to narrow that down to something as simple as stiff suspension.There are a lot of different ingredients that have to come together.

All I know is Dungey better figured something out if he wants to keep that number one plate.
In the zone..... One thing I notice whenever Tomac is riding like this...is his bike looks to be low on rebounding damping (faster rebound). It is just a setting that seems to suit Eli's style.
motokiwi 4/23/2017 11:56pm
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He dominated because his Dad had a plan about 20 years ago - and thats just coming to fruition now.
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GuyB 4/24/2017 12:06am
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I did forget about the gp races but you can't say he's fmotp because of two races in the US. Especially during the end of the...
I did forget about the gp races but you can't say he's fmotp because of two races in the US. Especially during the end of the season when the championship was already spoken for!
Who dropped that stupid acronmym? No one in this thread...well, except for you.
sgrimmxdad 4/24/2017 3:05am
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motokiwi wrote:
He dominated because his Dad had a plan about 20 years ago - and thats just coming to fruition now.
This.....
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Acidreamer 4/24/2017 6:41am
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Its because hes on a green bike.
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Ok so it might not be just stiff suspension but I think the bike setup is so important at this level. He was getting arm pump and tired and riding like crap first of the season so what changed? I think he finally got that bike setup perfect .
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Dtat720 4/24/2017 7:02am
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Ok so it might not be just stiff suspension but I think the bike setup is so important at this level. He was getting arm pump...
Ok so it might not be just stiff suspension but I think the bike setup is so important at this level. He was getting arm pump and tired and riding like crap first of the season so what changed? I think he finally got that bike setup perfect .
That is what he said in an interview after his first win. He wasnt happy with the rear end of the bike and they kept working on it until they found the set up he wanted and after that, the bike did what he wanted and hes been riding it like stole it ever since.
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skypig 4/24/2017 7:38am
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Was it his mechanic?/team boss? Who said earlier in the season, " when Eli believes in himself, like we believe in him, he'll be unbeatable.

Basically, as the smart ones have said: "All the pieces are in place".

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