For those of you who are SO SURE team tactics are in play

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Here's my question for ya.

If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing Whistling ) then why is everyone thinking he can only get in front of Dungey and not Eli?? If Marvin can blow past Dungey wouldnt the team orders be to go past Eli too? If Marvin was able to pass them both and win, would that not help Dungey with taking away a point or two from Eli?

A good few of you are SO friggin sure that he is holding up on getting between the two in the title fight, but don't seem to give him the credit that maybe...just maybe....he could beat Eli too.... But no, Marv is just capable of second place, not first, I guess......

In my opinion Marvin is riding the best he can, racing the best he can. And those of you yelling TEAM TACTICS are the typical Dungey haters who will find any excuse to bag on the Champ.

Come up with something else, how bout.....
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dirtnapper 4/5/2017 3:25pm
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temporarily_locked wrote:
I'm not sure I've seen anyone say mm is faster then rd
Are you seriously kidding me??
Go read a few threads and get back to me....
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zehn 4/5/2017 3:26pm
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I'm not sure I've seen anyone say mm is faster then rd
Really? Even Ricky said as much during the broadcast
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dirtnapper wrote:
Here's my question for ya. If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing :whistle: ) then why is...
Here's my question for ya.

If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing Whistling ) then why is everyone thinking he can only get in front of Dungey and not Eli?? If Marvin can blow past Dungey wouldnt the team orders be to go past Eli too? If Marvin was able to pass them both and win, would that not help Dungey with taking away a point or two from Eli?

A good few of you are SO friggin sure that he is holding up on getting between the two in the title fight, but don't seem to give him the credit that maybe...just maybe....he could beat Eli too.... But no, Marv is just capable of second place, not first, I guess......

In my opinion Marvin is riding the best he can, racing the best he can. And those of you yelling TEAM TACTICS are the typical Dungey haters who will find any excuse to bag on the Champ.

Come up with something else, how bout.....
Why does it have to be team orders? Everyone knows whats on the line and whats happening. You dont have to tell someone not to fuck up their team mate's program, unless they're a complete jerk-off.

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mxpro252 4/5/2017 3:55pm
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I don’t believe he is SO much faster as you stated, but I do think he checks up around Dungey and likely doesn’t want to pass him unless he is significantly faster like a few rounds ago. I think after that race he even mentioned feeling bad passing him?

And as stated above, this might not be direct orders from above, probably MM just trying not to interfere with his own teammate’s championship for one position.

Call that some whacky theory if you want, but seems pretty likely to me after watching the last few rounds.
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gnarwhip 4/5/2017 4:02pm
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Marvin passed Dungey a few times late in this season and pulled away and beat him, straight up. Last week, Marvin had a bad practice crash that he claimed affected him in the main. That could be true, but could also be a cover up story for letting Dungey beat him because of team requests. I guess we'll see in Seattle.
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kijen 4/5/2017 4:35pm
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Seems the assumption that dungey is faster then tomac, ....win totals don't support that theory.
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malachi177 4/5/2017 4:48pm
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dirtnapper wrote:
Here's my question for ya. If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing :whistle: ) then why is...
Here's my question for ya.

If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing Whistling ) then why is everyone thinking he can only get in front of Dungey and not Eli?? If Marvin can blow past Dungey wouldnt the team orders be to go past Eli too? If Marvin was able to pass them both and win, would that not help Dungey with taking away a point or two from Eli?

A good few of you are SO friggin sure that he is holding up on getting between the two in the title fight, but don't seem to give him the credit that maybe...just maybe....he could beat Eli too.... But no, Marv is just capable of second place, not first, I guess......

In my opinion Marvin is riding the best he can, racing the best he can. And those of you yelling TEAM TACTICS are the typical Dungey haters who will find any excuse to bag on the Champ.

Come up with something else, how bout.....
Wisdom and logic are not allowed on Vital...you should know thatWink
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Gale19XX 4/5/2017 6:40pm
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I don't feel I'm certain that team tactics are in play but I'm pretty sure the risk of passing Dungey and not being able to catch Eli far exceeds the risk of staying behind Dungey......
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wfo4ever 4/5/2017 7:30pm
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MM25 will be a good employee for Team KTM and Ryan Dungey will enjoy his lack of effort for the rest of the Supercross season. Some might call it "Team Orders" for short.
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ctbale 4/5/2017 7:47pm
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Look at the Heat Race in St Louis. Marvin was showing him both wheels several times, RC was making comments that Dungey best worry about moose-can. MM kinda let off till RD got Reed, then MM got reed on the very next straight. Its obvious. And about MM passing RD, then going on to pass Eli? The thing with that is, if your behind a guy, you know if you can pass him, and generally know if you can make it stick, but you have no idea if you can get the next guy. So if he gets RD, then fails in getting Eli, then what? He lets RD pass him? That would be awkward. No question Marvin is "Letting Brock Bye" no sign needed ......
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jnickell 4/5/2017 7:53pm
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wfo4ever wrote:
MM25 will be a good employee for Team KTM and Ryan Dungey will enjoy his lack of effort for the rest of the Supercross season. Some...
MM25 will be a good employee for Team KTM and Ryan Dungey will enjoy his lack of effort for the rest of the Supercross season. Some might call it "Team Orders" for short.
So tell us how it's a lack of effort when he was unable to catch a rider that is catching the most dominant guy of the series. Yeah, Marv had Dungey's number for the last few races. But that's the only time he's ever had his number in his entire career. With your logic, since Dungey was never beaten by Marvin until this year, Dungey must be lacking effort and letting Marv beat him

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Hypothetical situation here...

Let's say that you and I have raced each other for several years and you pretty much always beat me. But this year, I stepped it up a click or you slowed down a click and I actually beat you a couple times. You still beat me most of the races but the last several I have had your number. Is it really that surprising if you beat me again?
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dirtnapper 4/5/2017 7:58pm
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kijen wrote:
Seems the assumption that dungey is faster then tomac, ....win totals don't support that theory.
Nobody in this thread has made that assumption.

The fact is Dungey has been folding like a bad hand in poker for the last 5/6 week's. Tomac has simply been better than him for a while now.

This isn't about IF Dungey is faster than Tomac.

Its about those who are so sure Marv is quicker than Dungey and are screaming team tactics.
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dirtnapper 4/5/2017 8:00pm
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dirtnapper wrote:
Here's my question for ya. If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing :whistle: ) then why is...
Here's my question for ya.

If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing Whistling ) then why is everyone thinking he can only get in front of Dungey and not Eli?? If Marvin can blow past Dungey wouldnt the team orders be to go past Eli too? If Marvin was able to pass them both and win, would that not help Dungey with taking away a point or two from Eli?

A good few of you are SO friggin sure that he is holding up on getting between the two in the title fight, but don't seem to give him the credit that maybe...just maybe....he could beat Eli too.... But no, Marv is just capable of second place, not first, I guess......

In my opinion Marvin is riding the best he can, racing the best he can. And those of you yelling TEAM TACTICS are the typical Dungey haters who will find any excuse to bag on the Champ.

Come up with something else, how bout.....
malachi177 wrote:
Wisdom and logic are not allowed on Vital...you should know thatWink
I was actually expecting the Dungey haters to show up by now and bitch about him like they normally do.....

Wink

Edit: oh nevermind I see gnarwhip actually did post something, although he wasn't as hateful as he usually is....
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struth 4/5/2017 9:02pm
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Mm has been clearly faster the rd at some rounds this year.
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Marvin took a look inside of Dungey early in the main Saturday night and was right on him for a couple laps. Then he just disappeared. Ten seconds back at one point. Did he fall back on purpose or did Dungey just turn up the heat?

Didn't Ralph also say a couple weeks back about how bad Marvin felt about passing Dungey and getting in between him a Eli a couple races ago?
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LastCall211 wrote:
Marvin took a look inside of Dungey early in the main Saturday night and was right on him for a couple laps. Then he just disappeared...
Marvin took a look inside of Dungey early in the main Saturday night and was right on him for a couple laps. Then he just disappeared. Ten seconds back at one point. Did he fall back on purpose or did Dungey just turn up the heat?

Didn't Ralph also say a couple weeks back about how bad Marvin felt about passing Dungey and getting in between him a Eli a couple races ago?
This! He dove inside one time...then the leaders crept away...

No team tactics...i would be mor concerned with Monster riders vs Red Bull riders at this point..
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dirtnapper 4/6/2017 7:30am
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struth wrote:
Mm has been clearly faster the rd at some rounds this year.
You've completely missed the point. I am not arguing weather hes faster or not. The point is if KTM, Roger and everyone else knows Marv is faster, wouldn't the " team orders " be to go past Ryan, then go past Eli, thus helping out Ryan in the points?

Lot of guys ( such as yourself ) are bagging on Dunge and saying Marv is faster but dont really seem to think Marv could catch Eli.

I'm just trying to make sense of how some guys around here think .......Pinch

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KHI Guy 4/6/2017 10:01am
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Team orders abound....You won't see Musquin finish in front of Dungey again unless he finishes in front of Tomac as well. They have the same boss, and that boss wants Dungey to win this championship. I'm sure Marvin still wants his paycheck. He doesn't need anybody to tell him this. It's not that hard to understand.

On the flip side, suppose Eli gets caught up in a first turn pile up and is slowly coming through the pack on a banged up bike. If Josh Grant is up toward the front riding his best race in years, do you really think that he will finish in front of Tomac? The answer to that is not "yes".
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dirtnapper wrote:
Here's my question for ya. If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing :whistle: ) then why is...
Here's my question for ya.

If Marvin is SO much faster than Dungey ( as so many of you are believing Whistling ) then why is everyone thinking he can only get in front of Dungey and not Eli?? If Marvin can blow past Dungey wouldnt the team orders be to go past Eli too? If Marvin was able to pass them both and win, would that not help Dungey with taking away a point or two from Eli?

A good few of you are SO friggin sure that he is holding up on getting between the two in the title fight, but don't seem to give him the credit that maybe...just maybe....he could beat Eli too.... But no, Marv is just capable of second place, not first, I guess......

In my opinion Marvin is riding the best he can, racing the best he can. And those of you yelling TEAM TACTICS are the typical Dungey haters who will find any excuse to bag on the Champ.

Come up with something else, how bout.....
I certainly am not here to argue with anyone, and have not engaged in this debate on line at all. I was re-watching the heats last night and Ricky said it a couple times that he thought that possible marching orders had been sent out. He was saying that as MM was working those inside lines on RD towards the end of the heat. I am not here to say they have or have not, but for a team manger/ broadcast announcer/ former champion it made me think. It's plausible. Thats all.
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I think up until last last weekend, MM was racing his ass off and was the 2nd fastest guy on the track every weekend. MM didn't look like the same guy last weekend. I'm not sure if he wasn't feeling it in the main, if maybe RD was feeling it or if there were team orders. But the one thing I do know is that ET is the fastest man on the track and if he wins this thing, he earned every bit of it.
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walleyeguy 4/6/2017 11:29am
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Personally I've always found this a chicken shit thing to do in ANY form of racing "team tactics". If RD finishes in 3rd place in ANY round then he deserves 3rd place points on that night like ANY other rider. Let everyone race as hard as they can and may the points fall where they may. I feel the same way about lappers personally too. I think lappers should race as hard as they can for as long as they can. If you are lapping someone you should be able to get by them. This has nothing to do with CR and RD it has to do with RACING! If you're faster then find a way around. To DEATH with the blue flag. We scream about seeing "racing".....LET THEM RACE!
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Flip109 4/6/2017 11:30am
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I think most the time Dungey is faster. I also don't think there are team orders. Last race in the heat race it was more of a friendly gesture that Marvin didn't pass Dungey to give him the best gate pick. The main was a different story. No idea there really if Marvin laid up and let them go and fight it out or was just slower.
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In the heat I think MM had RD's number and slowed a bit to save the spot for RD. But in the main RD was putting in a championship saving ride and turned it up a bit. I think MM just couldn't hang with his pace. Riders can have good nights and bad nights and in the main RD was on a rail.
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jbomx363 4/7/2017 8:50am
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So.. if a rider "can" pass someone that is in the title hunt and chooses not to, whether under team orders, friends orders, or just cuz he's a "good guy"....

If that rider ends up winning the title, did he really earn it?

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Acidreamer 4/7/2017 9:08am
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Marvin is faster than dungey but slower than tomac. Notice last weekend marvin almost blew by dungey at the start and then fell way back immediately after. Had no explanation other than team orders so he blamed it on his practice crash. I dont buy it. Better bet your ass ktm is running team orders. It would be stupid for them to not do it. Companies arent ethics or moral based. If KTM wins the title they sell more bikes which means more money in their pockets. Youd be dumb to think corporate is okay with not issuing orders.

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