Matthes on Dungey/Reed Drama...

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RG1 4/4/2017 10:54pm
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agn5009 wrote:
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's...
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's going to be in the way. Ask Tomac how hard it was to pass Grant on that track. Some of you act like he was trying to pass a C class weekend warrior on a wide open Unadilla track or something.
I know it's not easy to pass a guy like Reed, but in a situation like that where he absolutely had to make it happen, he never really tried to put a move on him. My point is, if he couldn't pass someone who was lapping 1.5-2 seconds slower than him without the guy eventually moving out of the way, how was he going to find a way past Tomac even he'd have caught him?
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jnickell 4/4/2017 11:14pm
4/4/2017 11:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2017 11:18pm
agn5009 wrote:
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's...
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's going to be in the way. Ask Tomac how hard it was to pass Grant on that track. Some of you act like he was trying to pass a C class weekend warrior on a wide open Unadilla track or something.
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I know it's not easy to pass a guy like Reed, but in a situation like that where he absolutely had to make it happen, he...
I know it's not easy to pass a guy like Reed, but in a situation like that where he absolutely had to make it happen, he never really tried to put a move on him. My point is, if he couldn't pass someone who was lapping 1.5-2 seconds slower than him without the guy eventually moving out of the way, how was he going to find a way past Tomac even he'd have caught him?
I don't think Dungey's inability to pass Cathy had anything to do with ability actually. I think it was more about what BS would Cathy pull if he did? Total crap shoot as to whether it was worth the risk of Cathy making contact and either damaging equipment or taking RD down. In this case, inability = choosing 22 points instead of a whole lot less.

Regarding catching Tomac... We'll never know. I do know that both riders were making mistakes and RD was definitely chipping away at the lead. Since Tomac has turned around his arm pump issues, no one has been able to chip away at any lead he had. Dungey was doing that and I would have loved to see how Eli reacted to this new pressure. But Cathy ruined the chance to see that.
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peelout 4/5/2017 9:53am
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agn5009 wrote:
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's...
You have no idea how difficult it is for anyone to pass a professional such as Reed. If Reed wants to be in the way, he's going to be in the way. Ask Tomac how hard it was to pass Grant on that track. Some of you act like he was trying to pass a C class weekend warrior on a wide open Unadilla track or something.
RG1 wrote:
I know it's not easy to pass a guy like Reed, but in a situation like that where he absolutely had to make it happen, he...
I know it's not easy to pass a guy like Reed, but in a situation like that where he absolutely had to make it happen, he never really tried to put a move on him. My point is, if he couldn't pass someone who was lapping 1.5-2 seconds slower than him without the guy eventually moving out of the way, how was he going to find a way past Tomac even he'd have caught him?
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I don't think Dungey's inability to pass Cathy had anything to do with ability actually. I think it was more about what BS would Cathy pull...
I don't think Dungey's inability to pass Cathy had anything to do with ability actually. I think it was more about what BS would Cathy pull if he did? Total crap shoot as to whether it was worth the risk of Cathy making contact and either damaging equipment or taking RD down. In this case, inability = choosing 22 points instead of a whole lot less.

Regarding catching Tomac... We'll never know. I do know that both riders were making mistakes and RD was definitely chipping away at the lead. Since Tomac has turned around his arm pump issues, no one has been able to chip away at any lead he had. Dungey was doing that and I would have loved to see how Eli reacted to this new pressure. But Cathy ruined the chance to see that.
you're trying really hard to make the Cathy thing work, but it's not bro
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mwssquad827 4/5/2017 10:11am
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I liked the move by reed!! Fuck dungey!! Everyone doesn't want to piss him off or rub the golden child the wrong way!! Loved it reed!! Dungey should have parked reed, honestly, that's what reed would have done, roles reveresed. Bring back the old school days of racing and not being politically correct all the time.

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Francis377 4/5/2017 10:15am
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Sucks to see Reed getting lapped.
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tingo 4/5/2017 10:19am
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peelout wrote:
i was super pumped when Dungey caught Eli. not pumped or anything, just would have liked Reed to get the fuck out of the way.
Always super witty, but not even witty or anything. Don't think many got the reference. On the 1-10 scale of "never saw it coming and wapahhhh", I give it nine Barcias. So pitted.
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tingo 4/5/2017 10:20am
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Francis377 wrote:
Sucks to see Reed getting lapped.
Sucks to be Reed getting lapped.
project racer 4/5/2017 10:54am
4/5/2017 10:54am
Turning point. Reed goes all out Barcia for the rest of the season. He is seeing orange.
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jnickell 4/5/2017 11:08am
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peelout wrote:
you're trying really hard to make the Cathy thing work, but it's not bro
Welp, I guess it didn't work. No big whoop. I still like it though.
neverwasfastenuf 4/5/2017 11:25am
4/5/2017 11:25am
Crush wrote:
Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

So Reed had already left the stadium within 20 minutes of the race ending?

Did he think a mob was coming after him? We know he isn't scared of Gallagher or Dungey.

Maybe he knew Goose didn't like getting left behind to make that hike up the tunnel two weeks in a row.

Figured he would stand his ground and speak his mind.
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kiwifan 4/5/2017 12:34pm
4/5/2017 12:34pm
Crush wrote:
Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

hvaughn88 wrote:
That was a really good article. I liked the insight from Bradshaw and MC.
yup I think the bit about his run in with Canard in the infamous blackgate was interesting, so he slammed Canard for crossing jumping (and knocked him off his bike for his troubles) yet he is quite happy to do cross jumping in front of Dungey?
1st Amendment 4/5/2017 1:57pm
4/5/2017 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/5/2017 1:57pm
Crush wrote:
Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

neverwasfastenuf wrote:
So Reed had already left the stadium within 20 minutes of the race ending? Did he think a mob was coming after him? We know he...
So Reed had already left the stadium within 20 minutes of the race ending?

Did he think a mob was coming after him? We know he isn't scared of Gallagher or Dungey.

Maybe he knew Goose didn't like getting left behind to make that hike up the tunnel two weeks in a row.

Figured he would stand his ground and speak his mind.
Didn't Reed get knocked out by some dude from France at an after party?
jorgechavez 4/5/2017 2:06pm
4/5/2017 2:06pm
IMO you saw exactly how the race would have played out if Dungey had caught Tomac, but just with Reed in the place of Tomac. If he wasn't going to force his way around a rider in 16th place I don't see how he expected to make the pass on Tomac. Eli wouldn't have moved out the way and would probably be going faster and trying harder to not let him by than Reed was. I know the whole thing is that Reed jacked up the whole possibility of seeing a good race, and there is no excuse for that but I just feel the result would have been no different and there probably wouldn't have been a good race. It was evident that if a rider didn't want you to go around, you were gonna have a hard time getting around them.

Not trying to defend Reed or hate on Dungey or whatever, I want to see a nice battle as much as the next person but realistically I don't think it was going to happen on that track.
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mwssquad827 4/5/2017 3:30pm
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Don't fuck with reed!! Remember what he did to canard!! Hahaha he just don't care, love it!! Go reed
neverwasfastenuf 4/5/2017 4:11pm
4/5/2017 4:11pm
Crush wrote:
Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

neverwasfastenuf wrote:
So Reed had already left the stadium within 20 minutes of the race ending? Did he think a mob was coming after him? We know he...
So Reed had already left the stadium within 20 minutes of the race ending?

Did he think a mob was coming after him? We know he isn't scared of Gallagher or Dungey.

Maybe he knew Goose didn't like getting left behind to make that hike up the tunnel two weeks in a row.

Figured he would stand his ground and speak his mind.
1st Amendment wrote:
Didn't Reed get knocked out by some dude from France at an after party?
An Aussie KOed by a Frenchman while drinking? Shocked Laughing

Never read or heard anything about that. Probably going to have to call BS on that one without further proof.
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hppylib 4/5/2017 5:51pm
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Spartacus wrote:
I like Reed now.
I hate Reed now.

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mxgoon 4/5/2017 6:25pm
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Spartacus wrote:
I like Reed now.
hppylib wrote:
I hate Reed now.
He doesn't care.
4rings 4/5/2017 6:35pm
4/5/2017 6:35pm
mwssquad827 wrote:
Don't fuck with reed!! Remember what he did to canard!! Hahaha he just don't care, love it!! Go reed
Lol yup, douchebag chad is great role model for his kids and all young racers. Smh
motojunkie65 4/5/2017 8:02pm
4/5/2017 8:02pm
Everybody does thing's they eventually regret. Still a reed fan.
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Crush 4/5/2017 8:09pm
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mxgoon wrote:
He doesn't care.
Yep. DGAF.
fullysicmate 4/5/2017 8:21pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if MM or Dungey cleans out Tomac and Dungey wins the Championship!
It would be awesome just to see the fallout!
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mwssquad827 4/5/2017 8:26pm
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mwssquad827 wrote:
Don't fuck with reed!! Remember what he did to canard!! Hahaha he just don't care, love it!! Go reed
4rings wrote:
Lol yup, douchebag chad is great role model for his kids and all young racers. Smh
STFU!! you always do everything right, you never do anything that you don't want your kids to do?
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kkawboy14 4/5/2017 8:45pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if MM or Dungey cleans out Tomac and Dungey wins the Championship!
fullysicmate wrote:
It would be awesome just to see the fallout!
It would be crazy on a whole new level! Smile
dirtworldmx 4/5/2017 8:55pm
4/5/2017 8:55pm
Crush wrote:
Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

...nice read.

Damon Bradshaw won 19 Supercross main events in his career and was watching the St. Louis race from home. His reaction was that Reed should have moved out of the way.

“Dungey definitely handled this better than I would have,” Bradshaw said. “I would have definitely ran it in harder if I had the opportunity and I also would have been yelling at the top of my lungs. And I definitely would have caught him outside.”
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Hut 4/5/2017 9:06pm
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Dungey is a great rider but he's not exactly known as "the beast"
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JSmith 4/6/2017 6:24am
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Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad did, and was penalized for it.
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davistld01 4/6/2017 6:41am
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Hut wrote:
Dungey is a great rider but he's not exactly known as "the beast"
He's never had to be. He's simply had to beat everybody else...

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