Alleged thief shot to death after man spots stolen dirt bike being sold online

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3/22/2017 7:21am
UpTiTe wrote:
You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for.
anelson509 wrote:
One of the few sane people in this thread. You don't get to murder for robbery, and if KHI guy is correct he even killed the...
One of the few sane people in this thread. You don't get to murder for robbery, and if KHI guy is correct he even killed the wrong guy.
"Robbery" is a lot different then a larceny. If you're being robbed via physical force, you absolutely can defend yourself.
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3/22/2017 7:23am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 7:36am
TXDirt wrote:
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the...
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the perpetrator is armed or not. Your vehicle is an extension of your property. So if you are getting car jacked at a local grocery store you have every right to defend your property with deadly force. Obviously this case does not follow the "castle" rules of law of defense of property so he will get jail time most likely.
That doesn't quite apply when you go to track down the stolen property under your own volition (look at O.J.).

Had he been defending it while it was in the act of being stolen it would be a different story; you can't just go around all vigilante style killing people who may or may not have stolen your shit.
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3/22/2017 7:26am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 7:29am
dboivin wrote:
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as...
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as well. i'll never be a helpless victim.
UpTiTe wrote:
LMAO Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a...
LMAO

Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a gun out on somebody that already has the draw on you.

I swear, some you think it's just so easy to pull a gun and pull the trigger, yeah wait till you're in that situation and see how you really Act.

EDIT . I'm 100% for gun rights.
Not to derail this thread any further but when I started to carry a firearm every day, I became more aware of where I was going. Rather than feel like I was now invincible, I went the other direction. I started to avoid places that I used to go where trouble might be more likely so I could drastically cut down the odds of being in a shitty situation. It's not that I hung out is bad places but now I rarely go into bars or find myself out late at night (I don't drink but I would always be hanging out with friends. I don't want to give the impression that I was pounding boiler makers with a gun in my pocket). The responsibility of own firearms has actually made me a more responsible human being. If I accidentally cut someone off and they rage out on me, I just smile and apologize. No more reciprocating middle finger.
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3/22/2017 7:26am
Very true, getting the jump on a person is not always easy. If its a stupid crack hound that cant hit a barn, yeah its easy, but not if its one of these career thugs who have shot a bunch of folks, its not that easy. Its still better than going down without a fight though. If they get a shot in me, I will get a shot in him before he can harm my family or anyone else.

Those who said call the cops and have them come with you.....thats the funniest thing I ever heard. In a big city you wont even have a live person even answer the phone, much less give a rats ass about your bike or situation. Maybe in a small town or suburb...but not anywhere else.

Coming at me on a bike...I may or may not feel my life is threatened. But that is my judgement. If I knew 100% this was the guy that stole my bike, as in I caught him in my garage or yard and he came at me on the bike, I would probably feel threatened for my life. If it was on a YZ85, I might have tackled, pushed or kicked him off of it.

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3/22/2017 7:32am
UpTiTe wrote:
You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for.
anelson509 wrote:
One of the few sane people in this thread. You don't get to murder for robbery, and if KHI guy is correct he even killed the...
One of the few sane people in this thread. You don't get to murder for robbery, and if KHI guy is correct he even killed the wrong guy.
RonJon516 wrote:
"Robbery" is a lot different then a larceny. If you're being robbed via physical force, you absolutely can defend yourself.
I agree with you, during the act that is true. He set up the meeting, not sure you can square that with actually being in the act of being robbed. It sounds like alot of people in here believe being in possession of stolen property should be punished with death is all my point was.
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3/22/2017 7:47am
TXDirt wrote:
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the...
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the perpetrator is armed or not. Your vehicle is an extension of your property. So if you are getting car jacked at a local grocery store you have every right to defend your property with deadly force. Obviously this case does not follow the "castle" rules of law of defense of property so he will get jail time most likely.
That doesn't quite apply when you go to track down the stolen property under your own volition (look at O.J.). Had he been defending it while...
That doesn't quite apply when you go to track down the stolen property under your own volition (look at O.J.).

Had he been defending it while it was in the act of being stolen it would be a different story; you can't just go around all vigilante style killing people who may or may not have stolen your shit.
I said it twice that it didn't apply here and the guy will be in trouble and rightly so. Did you even read what I wrote?

I was replying to uptite who said "You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for."

If someone enters your property and goes into your garage to steal your motorcycle you have every right to defend your property with deadly force. If you don't want to use deadly force and just let the guy walk out with your bike that's up to you. My point was that the law says you can use deadly force to defend your property.

It does not apply to this case. So that's three times now I said that. Get it?
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3/22/2017 7:53am
UpTiTe wrote:
You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for.
TXDirt wrote:
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the...
Obviously in this situation this guy will be in a lot of trouble. In most states you can defend your property with deadly force, weather the perpetrator is armed or not. Your vehicle is an extension of your property. So if you are getting car jacked at a local grocery store you have every right to defend your property with deadly force. Obviously this case does not follow the "castle" rules of law of defense of property so he will get jail time most likely.
UpTiTe wrote:
Personally, if somebody trying to jack my car and they have a gun, I'm getting out he's taking it no problem. Not a single possession in...
Personally, if somebody trying to jack my car and they have a gun, I'm getting out he's taking it no problem. Not a single possession in the world is worth my family's life or mine, that's what insurance is for.
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
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3/22/2017 8:19am
TXDirt wrote:
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to...
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
Problem is with this case it looks like the guy selling the bike didn't steal it. Lets pretend you are the guy trying to sell the bike. You bought the bike a year ago, legitimately you thought. Now you meet with someone to sell it and they start threatening you and claiming that the bike is theirs and they are going to take it from you. Now who is the one being threatened and robbed? Using your premise, the seller now has the right to do whatever is necessary to protect his property and fleeing the scene by running over one of the thieves is completely justified. The guy who shot him has no defense at all.
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3/22/2017 8:38am
walleyeguy wrote:
If you buy a bike without a title its your responsibility to make sure its not stolen.
steveada wrote:
A lot of states don't title dirt bikes
They all have VIN numbers.
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3/22/2017 8:48am
Our local jail has a capacity of 100 people. Currently is has 105 in it...the sheriff stated that 75 percent of them have been in that jail at least one other time.... What the fuck is wrong with people that think breaking the law is acceptable?!
3/22/2017 8:48am
MXD wrote:
Not to derail this thread any further but when I started to carry a firearm every day, I became more aware of where I was going...
Not to derail this thread any further but when I started to carry a firearm every day, I became more aware of where I was going. Rather than feel like I was now invincible, I went the other direction. I started to avoid places that I used to go where trouble might be more likely so I could drastically cut down the odds of being in a shitty situation. It's not that I hung out is bad places but now I rarely go into bars or find myself out late at night (I don't drink but I would always be hanging out with friends. I don't want to give the impression that I was pounding boiler makers with a gun in my pocket). The responsibility of own firearms has actually made me a more responsible human being. If I accidentally cut someone off and they rage out on me, I just smile and apologize. No more reciprocating middle finger.
Laughing Laughing
Derailing the thread a little further. You make a very good point. A friend teaches concealed weapons class, he explained that he really emphasizes exactly what you are saying. That is, putting yourself into bad situations with no weapon might end up with an ass kicking. Now, that same situation could end with life in prison, And, by taking this class, you have been warned as to that fact. Hopefully, most people (as you have) comprehend that - which is a win-win for everyone.
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dboivin wrote:
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as...
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as well. i'll never be a helpless victim.
UpTiTe wrote:
LMAO Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a...
LMAO

Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a gun out on somebody that already has the draw on you.

I swear, some you think it's just so easy to pull a gun and pull the trigger, yeah wait till you're in that situation and see how you really Act.

EDIT . I'm 100% for gun rights.
I'm going to back you up on this UpTiTe. I'm sitting here reading this thread from my wheelchair because I was shot and paralyzed 27 years ago from being carjacked.
Like you said.... if someone already has the draw on you, you're not going to have time to pull out a gun.

I too am 100% for gun rights.
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3/22/2017 8:50am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 8:51am
Hate thieves, but the family put themselves in the situation which in turn will probably land the shooter in jail. TXdirt is correct by referring to the castle law, but I would be surprised to see a dirt bike (not on their property) being covered. Just because someone is trying to steal your automobile on your property doesn't give someone the right to kill them. Or, like the example of given of someone trying to steal your TV. If the thief is running from you with TV in hand and you kill them... well the shooter will probably serve time because it wasn't life threatening. Lawful carry is for situations that come your way not for situations you seek out. There was better ways to handle this situation and it has revenge all over it.
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3/22/2017 8:56am
TXDirt wrote:
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to...
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
steveada wrote:
Problem is with this case it looks like the guy selling the bike didn't steal it. Lets pretend you are the guy trying to sell the...
Problem is with this case it looks like the guy selling the bike didn't steal it. Lets pretend you are the guy trying to sell the bike. You bought the bike a year ago, legitimately you thought. Now you meet with someone to sell it and they start threatening you and claiming that the bike is theirs and they are going to take it from you. Now who is the one being threatened and robbed? Using your premise, the seller now has the right to do whatever is necessary to protect his property and fleeing the scene by running over one of the thieves is completely justified. The guy who shot him has no defense at all.
In this specific case the shooter has really no defense here. You cannot "pursue" someone and shoot them to get back your property. Most state laws give you the right to defend your property at your "castle". So these would be things at your property. Once something leaves your "castle" then you cannot use deadly force to get it back. There are a few caveats with this but generally speaking.

If the seller was truly the owner, then the seller would have a right to defend himself from these people taking his property. This gets a little bit sketchy because we are talking about a motorcycle and not a vehicle. I do know that many states treat your vehicle as an extension of your "castle" and that is why if you are getting car jacked at the grocery store you can use deadly force to prevent your car being stolen. I don't know if that is true for a dirt bike. If the dirt bike is on your property and someone breaks in to steal it then the castle rule applies and you can defend your property with deadly force.
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3/22/2017 8:57am
TXDirt wrote:
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to...
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
I like the last part. Nothing I own is worth killing anyone for. The only way I could justify shooting or killing would be to protect my kids and wife. If someone wants all my tvs and dirtbikes enough to risk getting shot over it. Fuck it take it. I got insurance. I'll get all new better shit anyway lol
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3/22/2017 8:59am
MXD wrote:
Not to derail this thread any further but when I started to carry a firearm every day, I became more aware of where I was going...
Not to derail this thread any further but when I started to carry a firearm every day, I became more aware of where I was going. Rather than feel like I was now invincible, I went the other direction. I started to avoid places that I used to go where trouble might be more likely so I could drastically cut down the odds of being in a shitty situation. It's not that I hung out is bad places but now I rarely go into bars or find myself out late at night (I don't drink but I would always be hanging out with friends. I don't want to give the impression that I was pounding boiler makers with a gun in my pocket). The responsibility of own firearms has actually made me a more responsible human being. If I accidentally cut someone off and they rage out on me, I just smile and apologize. No more reciprocating middle finger.
Laughing Laughing
Derailing the thread a little further. You make a very good point. A friend teaches concealed weapons class, he explained that he really emphasizes exactly what...
Derailing the thread a little further. You make a very good point. A friend teaches concealed weapons class, he explained that he really emphasizes exactly what you are saying. That is, putting yourself into bad situations with no weapon might end up with an ass kicking. Now, that same situation could end with life in prison, And, by taking this class, you have been warned as to that fact. Hopefully, most people (as you have) comprehend that - which is a win-win for everyone.
This^^^^^ A jury's first instinct is to think that you were out looking for a fight because you have a gun.

I won't even flip another driver the middle finger if I am carrying for fear of it escalating into road rage incident that I would need to defend myself in.
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dboivin wrote:
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as...
someone points a gun at me, they will die. no way i'm gonna hope he don't shoot me. i carry....encourage others to lawfully do so as well. i'll never be a helpless victim.
UpTiTe wrote:
LMAO Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a...
LMAO

Yea, when you get into that situation you go ahead and give me a call and tell me how easy it was to pull a gun out on somebody that already has the draw on you.

I swear, some you think it's just so easy to pull a gun and pull the trigger, yeah wait till you're in that situation and see how you really Act.

EDIT . I'm 100% for gun rights.
UpTiTe making A LOT of sense today!
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JRT812 wrote:
Hate thieves, but the family put themselves in the situation which in turn will probably land the shooter in jail. TXdirt is correct by referring to...
Hate thieves, but the family put themselves in the situation which in turn will probably land the shooter in jail. TXdirt is correct by referring to the castle law, but I would be surprised to see a dirt bike (not on their property) being covered. Just because someone is trying to steal your automobile on your property doesn't give someone the right to kill them. Or, like the example of given of someone trying to steal your TV. If the thief is running from you with TV in hand and you kill them... well the shooter will probably serve time because it wasn't life threatening. Lawful carry is for situations that come your way not for situations you seek out. There was better ways to handle this situation and it has revenge all over it.
Lawful carry is for situations that come your way not for situations you seek out.

That's exactly correct and I agree with you 100%. Perfect way to summarize it.

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3/22/2017 9:20am
walleyeguy wrote:
If you buy a bike without a title its your responsibility to make sure its not stolen.
steveada wrote:
A lot of states don't title dirt bikes
walleyeguy wrote:
They all have VIN numbers.
But how does the VIN help? If the state doesn't title or register dirtbikes, there is no way to run a VIN check with the DMV.
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3/22/2017 9:22am
UpTiTe wrote:
You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for.
He shouldn't have been murdered. But chopping his arms off at the elbows is definitely a good punishment. Let's see him steal some shit with nubs.
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TXDirt wrote:
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to...
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
In your situation of someone breaking into your house unarmed and wanting to steal your 55" TV... If I come down the steps in the middle of the night to an intruder, I'm not going to know he is unarmed. I also don't know his intentions or how he's going to react if he sees that I've spotted him. But I do know that if he's in my house, he's not there to hang out and make a new friend.

That's what gets me about most of these police shootings. Title of the article always says "cop shoots UNARMED robber." A cop isn't going to frisk a robber before shooting him. And everyone in the media needs to put themselves in the shoes of a cop before saying something so asinine.
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This^^^^^ A jury's first instinct is to think that you were out looking for a fight because you have a gun. I won't even flip another...
This^^^^^ A jury's first instinct is to think that you were out looking for a fight because you have a gun.

I won't even flip another driver the middle finger if I am carrying for fear of it escalating into road rage incident that I would need to defend myself in.
Now that's responsible gun ownership.
Wisdom too!
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Whole lot of stupid in this thread. The guy may have had every right to think his life was in danger from the guy who tried to run him over with the dirt bike. None of you were there so none of you know how things went down or escalated. Still, shooter will spend upwards of $80,000.00 defending himself because of his actions. He could buy a six pack of KTM FE450's in Australia for that.
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3/22/2017 9:53am
UpTiTe wrote:
You people are idiots if you think a stolen motorcycles worth killing somebody for.
Says they rode at him and that's called assault with a deadly weapon. Police have been killing people for driving/riding at them for decades. Right or wrong, the police have set the standard for the legality of it and it should be no surprise when it's mimicked by the average Joe. The 911 audio from the mother is pretty heartbreaking though..

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/akron/man-shot-in-head-dies-on-akron-str…
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Good. I am sure they will make the thief into a hero.
No doubt, he was a possibly a victim of an occasional poor decision, but really a good guy who was just getting his life in order. Tragedy!

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3/22/2017 9:56am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 10:10am
RonJon516 wrote:
Sounds like the thief was coming at him with a 230lb weapon and the father-in-law stopped the threat . Can't just shoot someone for stealing your...
Sounds like the thief was coming at him with a 230lb weapon and the father-in-law stopped the threat . Can't just shoot someone for stealing your bike but if your life is threatened and he's coming at you it's a little different.
thats exactly the argument his lawyer should make. the police charged him with involuntary manslaughter. thats the lowest level I think, so they must have thought the guy was trying to run over the owner
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Aryen wrote:
Only in 'Merica...
Of course we hear plenty on here from your side of the world how the police won't even investigate a bike theft even if you provide proof of where your bike is let alone assist in retrieving it. And you can't go there either because it's the bad part of town and you would end up shot dead. So, don't rush in with the Only in 'Merica shit.
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3/22/2017 10:04am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 10:09am
TXDirt wrote:
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to...
If they do not have a gun you can still defend your property with deadly force. Your vehicle is an extension of your "castle" according to most state laws.

I think your question should be, "Is any of your possessions worth taking another life over"

That's a personal question and answer.

If someone breaks into your house unarmed and wants to steal your 55" LCD TV screen, you certainly can go ahead and let him do that. However, most state law says you can defend your property with deadly force.

That's all I'm saying here. I do not disagree with your last sentence. Clearly no possession is worth your or your families life. But I don't really think that's the question here. Are any of your possessions worth defending with deadly force?
steveada wrote:
Problem is with this case it looks like the guy selling the bike didn't steal it. Lets pretend you are the guy trying to sell the...
Problem is with this case it looks like the guy selling the bike didn't steal it. Lets pretend you are the guy trying to sell the bike. You bought the bike a year ago, legitimately you thought. Now you meet with someone to sell it and they start threatening you and claiming that the bike is theirs and they are going to take it from you. Now who is the one being threatened and robbed? Using your premise, the seller now has the right to do whatever is necessary to protect his property and fleeing the scene by running over one of the thieves is completely justified. The guy who shot him has no defense at all.
TXDirt wrote:
In this specific case the shooter has really no defense here. You cannot "pursue" someone and shoot them to get back your property. Most state laws...
In this specific case the shooter has really no defense here. You cannot "pursue" someone and shoot them to get back your property. Most state laws give you the right to defend your property at your "castle". So these would be things at your property. Once something leaves your "castle" then you cannot use deadly force to get it back. There are a few caveats with this but generally speaking.

If the seller was truly the owner, then the seller would have a right to defend himself from these people taking his property. This gets a little bit sketchy because we are talking about a motorcycle and not a vehicle. I do know that many states treat your vehicle as an extension of your "castle" and that is why if you are getting car jacked at the grocery store you can use deadly force to prevent your car being stolen. I don't know if that is true for a dirt bike. If the dirt bike is on your property and someone breaks in to steal it then the castle rule applies and you can defend your property with deadly force.
He is not defending himself from someone stealing anything in this case. This moron just assumed some guy selling the bike was the theif and ended up killing him. That is vastly different than catching someone in the act and on your property. I doubt there is any law giving someone the ability to just shoot people they think stole something from them over a year ago.

Either way who shoots someone you "think" is a theif in the head? Thats uncalled for, what a schmuck
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3/22/2017 10:13am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2017 10:15am


The big bad dirt bike that was going to run over 3 people that warranted a headshot. Totally worth going to jail over.
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3/22/2017 10:20am
Funyun wrote:
[img]https://media2.newsnet5.com/photo/2017/03/21/bike_1490118591168_57163117_ver1.0_640_480.jpg[/img] The big bad dirt bike that was going to run over 3 people that warranted a headshot. Totally worth going to jail over.


The big bad dirt bike that was going to run over 3 people that warranted a headshot. Totally worth going to jail over.
Head-shots are worth double points...

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