Why did he bail?

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After watching Kroc's crash over and over and over as I am sure many did. I can only come up with one explanation. Which is pure speculation on my part of course.

I have heard people say that he may have caught his right foot coming up out of the ruts ripping it off the peg kinda like KW did once chasing JS7, and Zach Bell did over that triple in his first year. Makes sense but if you watch the footage from the rear view his foot does not come off until he himself pushes both feet up off the pegs.

Then we have heard that his shock setting, or shock sensor launched him up and over. Well, if you watch just the bike it does not buck him, in fact it comes off kinda normal with one exception, the front end drops a tad just as he leaves the jump. And this is where my theory comes into play. I do understand that the MEC crash was mechanically different. He was in trouble on his first jump out of that turn going into the rhythm where he just got worse and worse until it resulted in a total endo. With that said here's what I think....

As he comes up the front end does drop ever so slightly as if the rear may have spun a tad on that dry flat face (cause he was all the way left outta the ruts and moisture). His reaction to the bikes input was to panic thinking he was going to endo AGAIN, so he made the decision to bail hoping to get his body over the next peak just like he did at the MEC. . His bail is 100% his intention if you watch it. He himself actively pushes with both feet and both arms to project himself up and forward.

Not bagging on him. This crash just baffled me.
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Phantom 661 1/27/2017 12:30pm
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I too have considered this scenario.
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briank3000 1/27/2017 12:35pm
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I thought the same thing. Why did he jump?
Brownstone322 1/27/2017 12:36pm
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I thought from the outset that he sensed trouble and jumped off. He just had a catastrophic landing.

Didn't Chad Reed kinda do the same thing when he bailed at Milleville in 2011? ('Cept he jumped right back on the bike.)
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TXDirt 1/27/2017 12:36pm
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Paging ML to the courtesy phone. He had a good description of the crash.

With the front dropping I think Ken made a wise decision bailing off the bike. If he tries to ride it out he may have gone nose first/head first into that landing. He could be looking at even worse injuries.

If you ask anyone:

A: take kens current injuries

Or

B: go head first into that landing with the full force of the bike behind you and not sure what injuries you will get. Maybe you walk away just fine. Or maybe you might get really fucked up.

I'm guessing most would chose option A.

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Thisusernameisavailable 1/27/2017 12:55pm
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Brownstone322 wrote:
I thought from the outset that he sensed trouble and jumped off. He just had a catastrophic landing. Didn't Chad Reed kinda do the same thing...
I thought from the outset that he sensed trouble and jumped off. He just had a catastrophic landing.

Didn't Chad Reed kinda do the same thing when he bailed at Milleville in 2011? ('Cept he jumped right back on the bike.)
No! No way! That CRF went one way whilst Chad's body's momentum was going another, wrenching out of his hands.
No way Chad chose to bail on that one, he had no say in the matter.
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MX Guy 1/27/2017 12:56pm
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I watched a few of those recent interview videos with RC. Ironically he spoke about exactly this, holding on "until the bitter end" and not letting go no matter what. Not sure if would have been better in Kenny's case, I definitely think he overjumped the first one and that upset the suspension.
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Mx746 1/27/2017 1:05pm
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When you're at that level of the game trusting your instincts is everything, he made the right decision
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Hank_Thrill 1/27/2017 1:06pm
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Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
Brownstone322 1/27/2017 1:48pm
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
No! No way! That CRF went one way whilst Chad's body's momentum was going another, wrenching out of his hands. No way Chad chose to bail...
No! No way! That CRF went one way whilst Chad's body's momentum was going another, wrenching out of his hands.
No way Chad chose to bail on that one, he had no say in the matter.
I don't wanna highjack this thread into a discussion of a six-year-old event, but Reed got outta shape before he was airborne and (wisely) bailed. He and the bike both went off in the same direction -- off to the left. (Or maybe you're being facetious, I dunno.)

What saved Reed (relative to Roczen) is that Reed landed on a downward slope and expended his body's energy gradually. Roczen came down onto flat ground and took a huge hit on one limb.
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Brownstone322 wrote:
I thought from the outset that he sensed trouble and jumped off. He just had a catastrophic landing. Didn't Chad Reed kinda do the same thing...
I thought from the outset that he sensed trouble and jumped off. He just had a catastrophic landing.

Didn't Chad Reed kinda do the same thing when he bailed at Milleville in 2011? ('Cept he jumped right back on the bike.)
Reed had a huge swap on the jump face.
Very different crash.
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Sodipop 1/27/2017 2:04pm
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Guys. We are talking about a life or death situation that happened in an instant.
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downard254 1/27/2017 2:04pm
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I watched the crash several times last weekend, and it looked to me like when the rear of the bike rebounded, the seat bumped him in the ass. As he's coming up off the bike, his body is going vertical at a higher rate of speed than the bike is. He was coming off that bike one way or another. I think if he'd have tried to ride it out, he would have been inverted when he hit the face of the jump. Eject=less disasterous result. IMHO.
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Charper732 1/27/2017 2:46pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it...
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped with his boots to stay of but he would have been way short
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hvaughn88 1/27/2017 3:22pm
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edit: never mind, don't feel like it
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it...
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
Charper732 wrote:
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped...
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped with his boots to stay of but he would have been way short
Yep I agree with this, so to answer the question, he did not bail.
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Sully 1/27/2017 3:35pm
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Why did he bail? Mostly because he didn't have the luxury of a week, and multiple views of the crash to make a decision. He went from situation normal to laying on the ground with broken bones in what? Maybe 2 seconds total? Speculation and second guessing is easy from the comfort of your couch, but as we're all aware, once you get bucked, things happen fast and decisions have to be made quickly - right or wrong.
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Hank_Thrill 1/27/2017 3:48pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it...
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
Charper732 wrote:
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped...
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped with his boots to stay of but he would have been way short
Yeah, somebody embed a video of pendulum balls swinging (physics). Just imagine the one being the bike and the other being him.

https://youtu.be/0LnbyjOyEQ8
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kkawboy14 1/27/2017 3:51pm
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He got ejected he didn't bail, watch it at speed

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Andy_Greenney 1/27/2017 4:00pm
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We are second guessing one of the most talented riders on the planet, that spends hours every day on that bike? He had already been kicked up off the pegs and towards the front door before he hit the eject button.
General rule is always stay with the bike to take away the initial impact....unless it's following you in, then get the hell away.
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THEOUTSIDER 1/27/2017 4:38pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it...
Bike rebounded and hit him in the butt sending him upward. I think that impact actually knocked some of the bike's momentum back down making it look level in the air.
Charper732 wrote:
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped...
That's exactly how I viewed it. He didn't "jump" off the bike. His body was moving upward faster than the bike was. He could have gripped with his boots to stay of but he would have been way short


Go watch it from all angles again. The seat does slap him a bit, but just after that he kicks with his feet, and pushes off hard with both arms to jump off the bike. The seat hitting him is part of that front end dropping slightly upon take off.

Again, so many emotional girls on here I feel I need to clarify that I am not making fun of him. Just examining the crash is all.
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Sully22 1/27/2017 4:47pm
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Sully wrote:
Why did he bail? Mostly because he didn't have the luxury of a week, and multiple views of the crash to make a decision. He went...
Why did he bail? Mostly because he didn't have the luxury of a week, and multiple views of the crash to make a decision. He went from situation normal to laying on the ground with broken bones in what? Maybe 2 seconds total? Speculation and second guessing is easy from the comfort of your couch, but as we're all aware, once you get bucked, things happen fast and decisions have to be made quickly - right or wrong.
^^^this^^^
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BobbyM 1/27/2017 4:48pm
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If he would have just hit the down slope of the dirt he would have been ok... When in doubt... GAS IT!
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Radman66 1/27/2017 4:52pm
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Q: Why did he bail?
A: He might have died if he didn't.
Sure he has a badly damaged arm, but that would have been very ugly had he come up short/nose down. Terrible scenario and was forced to make a split second decision, all while his momentum was taking him off the bike anyways. Bailing was the right call IMO
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Brownstone322 wrote:
I don't wanna highjack this thread into a discussion of a six-year-old event, but Reed got outta shape before he was airborne and (wisely) bailed. He...
I don't wanna highjack this thread into a discussion of a six-year-old event, but Reed got outta shape before he was airborne and (wisely) bailed. He and the bike both went off in the same direction -- off to the left. (Or maybe you're being facetious, I dunno.)

What saved Reed (relative to Roczen) is that Reed landed on a downward slope and expended his body's energy gradually. Roczen came down onto flat ground and took a huge hit on one limb.
If you still think that Reed "chose" to bail after watching this carefully, then IDK what to say. He was 100% ejected from the bike, no question.

https://youtu.be/ZC4f9TCg4zw
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Tim507 1/27/2017 4:57pm
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THEOUTSIDER wrote:
After watching Kroc's crash over and over and over as I am sure many did. I can only come up with one explanation. Which is pure...

After watching Kroc's crash over and over and over as I am sure many did. I can only come up with one explanation. Which is pure speculation on my part of course.

I have heard people say that he may have caught his right foot coming up out of the ruts ripping it off the peg kinda like KW did once chasing JS7, and Zach Bell did over that triple in his first year. Makes sense but if you watch the footage from the rear view his foot does not come off until he himself pushes both feet up off the pegs.

Then we have heard that his shock setting, or shock sensor launched him up and over. Well, if you watch just the bike it does not buck him, in fact it comes off kinda normal with one exception, the front end drops a tad just as he leaves the jump. And this is where my theory comes into play. I do understand that the MEC crash was mechanically different. He was in trouble on his first jump out of that turn going into the rhythm where he just got worse and worse until it resulted in a total endo. With that said here's what I think....

As he comes up the front end does drop ever so slightly as if the rear may have spun a tad on that dry flat face (cause he was all the way left outta the ruts and moisture). His reaction to the bikes input was to panic thinking he was going to endo AGAIN, so he made the decision to bail hoping to get his body over the next peak just like he did at the MEC. . His bail is 100% his intention if you watch it. He himself actively pushes with both feet and both arms to project himself up and forward.

Not bagging on him. This crash just baffled me.
Ha the topic has been broached......another ole man here in my neighborhood and myself saw the same thing and all the slow motion, pic by pic only confirms our opinion.

Why - pretty simple - Fuck not again!

Certainly not bagging on him either - as I've had similar decisions to make in the last 50 years......
Poppanator 1/27/2017 4:59pm
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I don't get the questioning! For real. The laws of physics were in a bad mood. Yes, pre the take off measures could have been met. After that, no salvation was even physically possible. So from my perspective an eject and release was the only sane solution. Not even Superman would have had come out of that situation on two wheels
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TXDirt 1/27/2017 5:20pm
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Radman66 wrote:
Q: Why did he bail? A: He might have died if he didn't. Sure he has a badly damaged arm, but that would have been very...
Q: Why did he bail?
A: He might have died if he didn't.
Sure he has a badly damaged arm, but that would have been very ugly had he come up short/nose down. Terrible scenario and was forced to make a split second decision, all while his momentum was taking him off the bike anyways. Bailing was the right call IMO
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TXDirt 1/27/2017 5:21pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
We are second guessing one of the most talented riders on the planet, that spends hours every day on that bike? He had already been kicked...
We are second guessing one of the most talented riders on the planet, that spends hours every day on that bike? He had already been kicked up off the pegs and towards the front door before he hit the eject button.
General rule is always stay with the bike to take away the initial impact....unless it's following you in, then get the hell away.
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When bikes decides to separate from rider, it's best not to argue with it.
wide open wally 1/27/2017 6:22pm
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He arguably the best rider on earth right now, if he bailed I will not question his reasoning because I'm sure it was the right decision. Bad sum' bitch
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ganny 1/27/2017 7:17pm
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I totally get why he bailed with only a second to make the decision, but in hindsight, do you think he would make the same decision to bail? The bike did not seem to nose dive until after he pushed the bike down and away from him. Anyway to computer simulate the landing had he held on and panic reved until impact, like they can do in airplane simulators?

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