Is SX really worth it..

1/24/2017 4:24am
Mr. Knobby wrote:
Tomac was the fastest rider on the planet until he crashed outdoors and broke both shoulders. He hasn't been the same since. The speeds outdoors are...
Tomac was the fastest rider on the planet until he crashed outdoors and broke both shoulders. He hasn't been the same since. The speeds outdoors are so high that when someone crashes, they sometimes crash very badly. Mike Alessi was almost killed outdoors when he not only crashed badly but he was then run over a number of times. Was a sickening crash.

It's not simply 'jumps' or 'supercross' it's these insanely difficult rhythm sections that are designed to test these amazing riders and their equipment. But these guys find ways to go through the sections in unbelievable ways that require incredible accuracy, weight transfer and throttle control. Then in order to run with the top guys you have to take these extreme risks on EVERY LAP. You could take a good rider from your local track and put him on that track on Saturday, if you told him to do the sections the same way the top guys were running them he wouldn't make it around one lap.

I don't know how you design tracks to test the top guys but still keep them reasonably safe, and make the racing exciting, but that is what needs to be done - somehow....
Bring in ALOT more sand. Jumps can be smaller but way more technical. If you get it wrong less likely to be sat out for the rest of the season.

Could still have some big air time for the monster truck fans, just build the jumps with a bit more safety in mind, then make the really technical stuff smaller & out of sand.
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1/24/2017 7:21am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2017 7:24am
JAFO92 wrote:
Its always the same thing: jumps. Young people give us old guys hell, but we are right. Jumps do the vast majority of serious injuries. Whats...
Its always the same thing: jumps. Young people give us old guys hell, but we are right. Jumps do the vast majority of serious injuries.

Whats more, jumps get tiresome and are over-rated anyway.
The best in the world are riding these jumps and it's not a matter of if they get hurt but when they get hurt. I liked the old style lumpy bumpy SX tracks. Just make them lumpy and bumpy and have big tables instead these deadly steep peaked out jumps. The train has left the station but the speeds these guys run with these jumps it's only going to get worse. Get well soon KR. What about stadium motocross tracks, it could be like indoor outdoor! of course now we are seeing stupid SX jump combos on the outdoor tracks...so...
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1/24/2017 7:58am
Here is my thought from the other night. Since the mains are timed the obstacles don't matter as much. The obstacles have been built for years...
Here is my thought from the other night. Since the mains are timed the obstacles don't matter as much. The obstacles have been built for years to help create a certain lap time and since we've switched the format some of these obstacles can be irrelevant. Super tricky double triple quad combo rhythm sections aren't as necessary as they were before. Why not rethink the way tracks are built now that lap times really aren't an issue. Yes there will be lappers blah blah blah
This is a very good point. Tracks could be made with views towards this.

They are still going to be limited by the (relatively) tiny size of the 'plot' that the track is put onto, but with timed races, a bit of a different approach might help.

Injuries will always happen - my old Ortho used to say to me the human body could barely handle a fall at walking pace, though he himself said he was continually amazed at what we could survive, at times.

I think we could do much better with the tracks, but I doubt we will see much change.
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1/24/2017 7:59am
huck wrote:
Yeah, because nobody ever gets hurt outdoors, or in corners... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/23/170859/s1200_ceefebecdce54dabad0a3594e0f4bef1.jpg[/img]
Yeah, because nobody ever gets hurt outdoors, or in corners...



That's some piss poor taste right here. I'll prove my point by posting a picture of someone recently paralyzed. Too soon

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1/24/2017 9:10am
Plenty more people die and get hurt driving cars a year than riders that even ride supercross, yet I'm sure almost everybody(if they are of age) in this post still drives a car on a daily basis. Why not quit driving cars because it's not worth the risk? Don't change stuff like SX because the riders do know what they are getting into, they train specifcally for what they race on, nobody forced them to race and they atleast know the risks. If they think the track is too dangerous they can even bow out and its stated in the riders meeting. Besides I think some of the tracks from the early 2000's were way more gnarly. When there are only a couple of guys at some rounds actually pounding the whoops you know they were big. Plus they used to have the big jumps in Phoenix or maybe in Houston I think one year was like a 90ft quad, ill have to go back and look. The only people that really have a place to ask if it's worth it are the guys out there competing, and universally you will here it is worth it, otherwise they wouldn't be there. In addition, part of being a champion is knowing when to settle and knowing when the track is far enough gone. If you don't do that, it's not the tracks fault. If everybody was crashing in that section it would be a different story. Now, as a fan perspective, I would love to see it change up some especially with a rumored 20+ race season. Some old school flavor tracks, some new, and really, let's get the guys that used to race design the tracks. With time limits now, there's not a huge emphasis on lap time so let's get creative.
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1/24/2017 9:20am
Motoxdoc wrote:
Simply put, it's worth it for some and not for others. Different people have different realities. Ask Jeremy"The King" McGrath...I think I know what he would...
Simply put, it's worth it for some and not for others. Different people have different realities. Ask Jeremy"The King" McGrath...I think I know what he would say. Then ask Danny "Magoo" Chandlers family.....I think I know what they would say too. I think you would get two very different answers.....and they would BOTH be right!
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I don't think Danny would say it aint worth it.

It is a choice,choose to do it or not.
That's a strange reply for more than one reason.
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1/24/2017 9:56am
After reading so many of these "safety related replies" let me say this...........


We all love the sport! Yes all things change and must. Anything that stays the same goes away sooner or later. When the AMA removed the 500cc motocross racing they did it for safety and sure a few people hated to see it go but most understood. We can all agree we do not like seeing any rider hurt! I have yet to be at a track and see a rider crash hard and see people cheering that the rider is hurt!

So with that said lets use common sense. No one here wants to see racing go away because of a broken arm or two. However, we in the sport must understand change is part of life. The sport just needs to worry more about safety when building these tracks. In the Pro outdoors we see jumps so big only a few 450 riders could make the leap. What were they 150 to 160 ft? What is next? Who is going to be the first track to put in the 200 ft jump? We all know it is coming. This practice will continue until we all watch a rider die on live TV! Then what? A human body can only take so much. When we hear pro riders saying they are scared the tracks and promoters should start to listen!
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1/24/2017 10:21am
TXDirt wrote:
When NLF teams had top QB's start going down with injuries, you know what they did? They changed the rules to protect them more. QB's are...
When NLF teams had top QB's start going down with injuries, you know what they did? They changed the rules to protect them more. QB's are seen as franchise players who make millions per year. Frankly, rider safety is as much a business decision as anything.

Having Ken injured is bad for business. That's a fact. The entire SX series just got immensely less interesting. Less interest means less ticket sales and less eyeballs. Less ticket sales and less eyeballs means less money.
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With Kenny out it will be more interesting. I felt Dungey would win it anyway but I bet we see more riders winning. Kroc being out...
With Kenny out it will be more interesting. I felt Dungey would win it anyway but I bet we see more riders winning. Kroc being out wont make any difference on ticket sales or money and the show will go on.
^this guy is high..
1/24/2017 12:55pm
mx216 wrote:
Plenty more people die and get hurt driving cars a year than riders that even ride supercross, yet I'm sure almost everybody(if they are of age)...
Plenty more people die and get hurt driving cars a year than riders that even ride supercross, yet I'm sure almost everybody(if they are of age) in this post still drives a car on a daily basis. Why not quit driving cars because it's not worth the risk? Don't change stuff like SX because the riders do know what they are getting into, they train specifcally for what they race on, nobody forced them to race and they atleast know the risks. If they think the track is too dangerous they can even bow out and its stated in the riders meeting. Besides I think some of the tracks from the early 2000's were way more gnarly. When there are only a couple of guys at some rounds actually pounding the whoops you know they were big. Plus they used to have the big jumps in Phoenix or maybe in Houston I think one year was like a 90ft quad, ill have to go back and look. The only people that really have a place to ask if it's worth it are the guys out there competing, and universally you will here it is worth it, otherwise they wouldn't be there. In addition, part of being a champion is knowing when to settle and knowing when the track is far enough gone. If you don't do that, it's not the tracks fault. If everybody was crashing in that section it would be a different story. Now, as a fan perspective, I would love to see it change up some especially with a rumored 20+ race season. Some old school flavor tracks, some new, and really, let's get the guys that used to race design the tracks. With time limits now, there's not a huge emphasis on lap time so let's get creative.
Your driving comparison is not correct. Think about the amount of time you spend behind the wheel. Then think about the amount of time riders spend on a SX track. The ratio of time to injuries would be much much higher doing SX.

Yes the riders just get on with it, Kenny was full on confidence.

I think the main issue here is the fact probably a small soft spot on the track has cost the series a superstar. Could have even ended the career. We are all losing out from this, obviously Kenny's health is most important.

As a race fan I wanna see close racing, you don't need these types of extreme sections to achieve that. There are other ways of making a challenging track which could reduce risk of losing riders during the season.

Reduce being the operative word.
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1/24/2017 1:00pm
motocross in general isn't worth it.

humans simply aren't designed to deal with the extreme forces that commonly occur in motocross crashes.

if you could fix a broken back or neck and restore function after paralysis itd be a different story. but people lose their ability to walk and lead a normal life FAR too often as a result of crashes. deaths are far too common as well.

love the sport but i was finally able to walk away and im grateful for that.
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1/24/2017 1:10pm
I don't follow arenacross, do they have a lot of injuries? The tracks are smaller, Are the sections more tame than a supercross track? I think...
I don't follow arenacross, do they have a lot of injuries? The tracks are smaller, Are the sections more tame than a supercross track? I think a 450 is too big of a bike for indoors.
Yes, and Arenacross hasn't had 450s for quite a few years.
1/24/2017 2:21pm
mitchell 8 wrote:
Sx is a great show, in turns of the layout, fans, air time etc. But when you consider the very high risk involved is it really...
Sx is a great show, in turns of the layout, fans, air time etc. But when you consider the very high risk involved is it really worth the potential injuries ?

Im not saying it shouldn't happen, but for the most talented elite riders I would prefer to watch them battle a real motocross track, over a long season.

After a few laps SX usually becomes a procession of hopping riders, the slightest error for what ever reason & you can risk your whole year, even career.

Personally I would rather see the worlds best all ride together outdoors. Save SX for the specialists.

It's called MXGP
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1/24/2017 2:28pm
mitchell 8 wrote:
Sx is a great show, in turns of the layout, fans, air time etc. But when you consider the very high risk involved is it really...
Sx is a great show, in turns of the layout, fans, air time etc. But when you consider the very high risk involved is it really worth the potential injuries ?

Im not saying it shouldn't happen, but for the most talented elite riders I would prefer to watch them battle a real motocross track, over a long season.

After a few laps SX usually becomes a procession of hopping riders, the slightest error for what ever reason & you can risk your whole year, even career.

Personally I would rather see the worlds best all ride together outdoors. Save SX for the specialists.

BINGO !

exactly right,,,,,,, I have been wondering for years why not just return to sx tracks that were exciting and much safer like in the 70's and 80's

I, for one, am sick of having such great guys broken up just due to stupidness of the track designs.
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1/24/2017 3:58pm
Jt$ wrote:
Dream on. If you hate SX, it's going to get worse for you, not better.
It's gonna get worse for everyone...
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Given the sign ups and participation by fans, factories, and riders, it must be worth it to those people. The people for whom its not worth it aren't part of it.

Two legitimate choices in an adult world.

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