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Another season that promised so much and ends up blowing out before it really got going,

I didn't feel like KRoc was in panic mode, just making steady progress to get through the pack, and his crash was just 'one of those things', but i cant help feeling that yet again, Dungey will win because other riders 'lost'.

Its as much as a pisser for him, because im sure he wanted to beat Kenny straight up, and despite the 2 losses in 2 rounds, you wouldnt have bet against him over a season.

So we see another year of Dungey just doing enough to beat a 'stacked field' of riders he already has covered and can afford to follow home, for 14 rounds.

I feel as bad as i did when RV looped out.

And nobody aside of Marvin is even close to the level now.

Beyond bummed,
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TDeath21 1/22/2017 5:45am
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Dungey does what Dungey does. Rides his pace and whatever happens happens. With RV, that was 2nd. With everyone else, it's 1st.
Jmicmoto13 1/22/2017 5:45am
1/22/2017 5:45am
Dungey doing just enough to beat a stacked field? Also known as winning? You have to show up to win and Dungey always shows up. This asterisk crap needs to stop. Let the man win! Lol
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jnickell 1/22/2017 5:55am
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Yeah, because KR had a 20 second lead and was 2 seconds a lap faster than RD when he wadded it up.
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c3011 1/22/2017 6:02am
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Everyone that crashes out usually is riding above their heads and RD doesn't, that's a champion. So what if they are faster for a few races you have to be consistent and fit to complete for a whole series.

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wreckitrandy 1/22/2017 6:05am
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In Ake Jonsson's book 'The Technique of Motocross', I remember him saying something like,,, 'The goal is to win at the slowest speed possible.'... The record book doesn't document the how. Just how many.
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philG 1/22/2017 6:13am
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Im just disappointed that we dont get to see a season long battle, between 2 of the best riders of this era.

It was the same last year when he went out of the outdoors, for exactly the same reason.

And Tomac wadding up when he was checked out and then some, in Colorado proves Jonsson's point.





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DoctorJD 1/22/2017 6:17am
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Idiotic post. To ride at the level he and Ken are is one thing. To do it lap after lap (flawlessly) is another. Nobody does it better than Dungey.
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Torco1 1/22/2017 6:18am
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It's amazing that people still want to piss on Dungey and his accomplishments when year after year he's the only rider that consistently hangs with and beats the new supposed fastest guy......and he does it without riding over his head or crashing his brains out. Eventually, some people are just going to have to admit to themselves that Dungey really is that good and will go down as one of the all time greats of the sport.
ToolMaker 1/22/2017 6:19am
1/22/2017 6:19am
Every series champion needs an asterisk:
"Nobody else was as good that year"
Done deal!
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YamaLink 1/22/2017 6:22am
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I bet Marvin takes Kenny's place as the series aggressor for Dungey. He was openly frustrated with second and yet again being the "Bake" to Ryan's "Shake".
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philG 1/22/2017 6:34am
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Torco1 wrote:
It's amazing that people still want to piss on Dungey and his accomplishments when year after year he's the only rider that consistently hangs with and...
It's amazing that people still want to piss on Dungey and his accomplishments when year after year he's the only rider that consistently hangs with and beats the new supposed fastest guy......and he does it without riding over his head or crashing his brains out. Eventually, some people are just going to have to admit to themselves that Dungey really is that good and will go down as one of the all time greats of the sport.
He is, but wouldnt beating that other guy , just once ,on speed rather than consistancy, confirm that .

Im sure Dungey would rather have a season long battle too.

My fear is that if, at the end of the season, Dungey retires, as has been mentioned, we wont get to see him and Roczen go at it over a season properly ever.
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Ted722 1/22/2017 6:47am
1/22/2017 6:47am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2017 4:34pm
There's a rider on this list with an asterisk * that will likely move up to 3rd on the all-time wins list this year:

http://www.mxbob.com/AllTimeAMAWins.htm

Nothing wrong with that asterisk *.
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gabrielito 1/22/2017 6:52am
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Asterisk. Is this still a thing? Dungey is the only one who can run his pace race in and race out. Dungey is the smartest racer there ever was.
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Juice_Mann 1/22/2017 6:58am
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We've only seen one racer in the last decade that was better than Dungey and that man is now retired. Dungey has been the best since RV retired so no need for an asterisk. Now stop whining.
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philG wrote:
He is, but wouldnt beating that other guy , just once ,on speed rather than consistancy, confirm that . Im sure Dungey would rather have a...
He is, but wouldnt beating that other guy , just once ,on speed rather than consistancy, confirm that .

Im sure Dungey would rather have a season long battle too.

My fear is that if, at the end of the season, Dungey retires, as has been mentioned, we wont get to see him and Roczen go at it over a season properly ever.
Don't go full retard, never ever.
lostboy819 1/22/2017 7:06am
1/22/2017 7:06am
This is why they run the races and don't crown a champion until a riders wins it. You have to be in it to win it at the end.

Andy_Greenney 1/22/2017 7:06am
1/22/2017 7:06am
There are no asterisks in racing...winning is winning. Being fastest isn't always enough as the history of the sport shows on numerous occasions.
Im gutted, 2017 has turned in to the year of 'could have been', first was hoping to make a trip over for the MxDN which would have been amazing, then when that went tits up a trip to Vegas for the final....now thats taken a nose dive. Atleast Matterley isn't far down the road.
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newmann 1/22/2017 7:09am
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As history has proven time and time again, no one can consistently run Dungey's pace. They come and they go with their occasional glimpses of brilliance but in the end they crash their brains out trying to beat him.

I am bummed for the 94.

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lostboy819 1/22/2017 7:09am
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philG wrote:
Another season that promised so much and ends up blowing out before it really got going, I didn't feel like KRoc was in panic mode, just...
Another season that promised so much and ends up blowing out before it really got going,

I didn't feel like KRoc was in panic mode, just making steady progress to get through the pack, and his crash was just 'one of those things', but i cant help feeling that yet again, Dungey will win because other riders 'lost'.

Its as much as a pisser for him, because im sure he wanted to beat Kenny straight up, and despite the 2 losses in 2 rounds, you wouldnt have bet against him over a season.

So we see another year of Dungey just doing enough to beat a 'stacked field' of riders he already has covered and can afford to follow home, for 14 rounds.

I feel as bad as i did when RV looped out.

And nobody aside of Marvin is even close to the level now.

Beyond bummed,
Maybe Kroc had to rider over his head to beat Dungey, this asterisk talk and thread are both bullshit and Dungey beats all comers heads up, and he's smart.
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newmann 1/22/2017 7:10am
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I'm still searching for this "most stacked field EVAR" that I keep hearing about.
Andy_Greenney 1/22/2017 7:12am
1/22/2017 7:12am
The commentators went quiet when they realised how much harder they are going to have to work for the rest of the season to sell the racing
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ATKpilot99 1/22/2017 7:17am
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Torco1 wrote:
It's amazing that people still want to piss on Dungey and his accomplishments when year after year he's the only rider that consistently hangs with and...
It's amazing that people still want to piss on Dungey and his accomplishments when year after year he's the only rider that consistently hangs with and beats the new supposed fastest guy......and he does it without riding over his head or crashing his brains out. Eventually, some people are just going to have to admit to themselves that Dungey really is that good and will go down as one of the all time greats of the sport.
philG wrote:
He is, but wouldnt beating that other guy , just once ,on speed rather than consistancy, confirm that . Im sure Dungey would rather have a...
He is, but wouldnt beating that other guy , just once ,on speed rather than consistancy, confirm that .

Im sure Dungey would rather have a season long battle too.

My fear is that if, at the end of the season, Dungey retires, as has been mentioned, we wont get to see him and Roczen go at it over a season properly ever.
You're a guy who competes right ? You should know as well as anyone the asterisk doesn't exist in a championship season . I agree as a competitor he wants to beat everyone but that's the way it goes . You can't put"asterisk" in a thread title and not expect to catch shit.
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Crush 1/22/2017 7:18am
1/22/2017 7:18am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2017 7:20am
Get the fuck outta here with that * bullshit.

Dungey goes the pace that others crash out at over and again... Rarely, he has suffered the same fate. And, in case anyone hasn't noticed, he's won plenty races by just being the fastest too. That's why he's a multi-time champ.

Poor fucker is gonna be one of the most underrated champs in the books because he didn't beat RV and there were some other dudes who could hang it out for a race here or there around the same time. BS. Dude's badass.
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FolkLoar 1/22/2017 7:18am
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Juice_Mann wrote:
We've only seen one racer in the last decade that was better than Dungey and that man is now retired. Dungey has been the best since...
We've only seen one racer in the last decade that was better than Dungey and that man is now retired. Dungey has been the best since RV retired so no need for an asterisk. Now stop whining.
If you really want to see it like that I guess you could give RV two asterisks beside those two championships Dungey handed him with mechanical DNFs. Those weren't even Dungeys error, but everyone forgets about those and just says "RV was the man those years". Ryan knows firsthand you gotta be in it to win it all the way to the end.
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watson 1/22/2017 7:25am
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The very fact that we're discussing this, year after year, just goes to show how fucking dumb the concept of an asterisk is (as it pertains to Dungey).
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Juice_Mann 1/22/2017 7:26am
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Juice_Mann wrote:
We've only seen one racer in the last decade that was better than Dungey and that man is now retired. Dungey has been the best since...
We've only seen one racer in the last decade that was better than Dungey and that man is now retired. Dungey has been the best since RV retired so no need for an asterisk. Now stop whining.
FolkLoar wrote:
If you really want to see it like that I guess you could give RV two asterisks beside those two championships Dungey handed him with mechanical...
If you really want to see it like that I guess you could give RV two asterisks beside those two championships Dungey handed him with mechanical DNFs. Those weren't even Dungeys error, but everyone forgets about those and just says "RV was the man those years". Ryan knows firsthand you gotta be in it to win it all the way to the end.
I don't believe in asterisks. You seem to forget RV spotted RD a race as well in Jacksonville 2011. Shit happens it's called racing. And yes RV was the man from 2011-2014.
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GuyB 1/22/2017 7:31am
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philG wrote:
Another season that promised so much and ends up blowing out before it really got going, I didn't feel like KRoc was in panic mode, just...
Another season that promised so much and ends up blowing out before it really got going,

I didn't feel like KRoc was in panic mode, just making steady progress to get through the pack, and his crash was just 'one of those things', but i cant help feeling that yet again, Dungey will win because other riders 'lost'.

Its as much as a pisser for him, because im sure he wanted to beat Kenny straight up, and despite the 2 losses in 2 rounds, you wouldnt have bet against him over a season.

So we see another year of Dungey just doing enough to beat a 'stacked field' of riders he already has covered and can afford to follow home, for 14 rounds.

I feel as bad as i did when RV looped out.

And nobody aside of Marvin is even close to the level now.

Beyond bummed,
Sure, I've got one.*




*The only asterisks out there are on the knees of the riders. To suggest that any rider's championship has an asterisk attached to it is beyond lame.

Sure, Kenny won the first two races (and the first one by a mile). But watching how Dungey responded in San Diego, and again last night in Anaheim, there was no way a championship for Kenny was a certainty. Just like how you're saying that another Dungey title is now a certainty.

Part of winning any title is outlasting the competition. Dungey has shown repeatedly that he can do that, while also avoiding the same mistakes that have befallen his competition.
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GuyB 1/22/2017 7:34am
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newmann wrote:
I'm still searching for this "most stacked field EVAR" that I keep hearing about.
The older you get, the better the good old days were.
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newmann 1/22/2017 7:38am
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newmann wrote:
I'm still searching for this "most stacked field EVAR" that I keep hearing about.
GuyB wrote:
The older you get, the better the good old days were.
Ahhh, the good old days. Well, just like the 125 class of the past, the 250F class seems to be where the excitement is. I'll take it.

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