New Honda, same old problem?

racingfortheson wrote:

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if...

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if the new bike is suffering from the same trouble? Both of Roczen's crashes on it seemed to be like that, but who am I to say.

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

aeffertz wrote:

Who are you to say?

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

racingfortheson wrote:

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if...

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if the new bike is suffering from the same trouble? Both of Roczen's crashes on it seemed to be like that, but who am I to say.

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

racingfortheson wrote:

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if...

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if the new bike is suffering from the same trouble? Both of Roczen's crashes on it seemed to be like that, but who am I to say.

Lucifa. wrote:

Could you explain in mechanical terms what "all the sudden just jump up and bite you" means? Does this relate to a specific mechanical part or...

Could you explain in mechanical terms what "all the sudden just jump up and bite you" means? Does this relate to a specific mechanical part or parts on the Honda? I'd be interested to know exaculy why this would only relate to the Honda.

Edit, I'm sure the guys at Honda would like to know too.

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

fullysicmate wrote:

Yep, kens fault not the bike. He is clearly loving it but his mistakes caused the crashes, not the bike.

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

The more I watch the crash the more weird it appears. I thought at first it dragged his right foot off the peg, but no it...

The more I watch the crash the more weird it appears. I thought at first it dragged his right foot off the peg, but no it didn't do that. If you watch closely in the previous few laps, it seems like this same thing nearly happened once or twice already. More than once he looked to be jumping more nose down than his competitors.
On this lap he came in to that section on the very left of the track, desperate to get a nose ahead of the lapper- it's possible he launched off of that plateu a little hard, compressing a little harder than normal into the ruts between the jumps.

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

tek14 wrote:

If you watch replay doesn't seem to have any rut on left side on that jump? Maybe rear shock just can't handle kicks when setting softer...

If you watch replay doesn't seem to have any rut on left side on that jump? Maybe rear shock just can't handle kicks when setting softer side like MEC.

ML512 wrote:

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...

I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."

racingfortheson wrote:

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if...

All the top guys said the last few gene of Honda was good then would all the sudden just jump up and bite you. Wonder if the new bike is suffering from the same trouble? Both of Roczen's crashes on it seemed to be like that, but who am I to say.

Lucifa. wrote:

Could you explain in mechanical terms what "all the sudden just jump up and bite you" means? Does this relate to a specific mechanical part or...

Could you explain in mechanical terms what "all the sudden just jump up and bite you" means? Does this relate to a specific mechanical part or parts on the Honda? I'd be interested to know exaculy why this would only relate to the Honda.

Edit, I'm sure the guys at Honda would like to know too.