D.o.t vs snell vs eu

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What helmet are you guys rocking, and why? because after doing some reading it appears that the snell will actually give you a concussion instead of preventing one lol.

old article

What brought me to that article was a comparison of a mx helmet vs a dh helmet when i mtb.

i always thought my mx helmet would be safer.. but im not so sure now.

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10/26/2016 7:04pm
EU is the best from what ive found. I sold helmets for awhile and amassed a lot of knowledge about them.

Dot and ECE (eu) overlap a bit, but ece has an edge. Snell helmets are typically too hard, especially for mx.

The real difference i found was that composite shells are far too rigid compared to polycarbonate shells. Composite shells (shoei, arai, etc) maintance their structure hitting the pavement at well over 100 miles an hour but still transfer energy to the head. You shouldn't be hitting pavement or going anywhere near that on a dirt bike. For typical moto riding, a polycarb helmet with ece is your best bet. That said, the intermediate layers offered by bell and 6d beat all in terms of safety and negate the drawbacks of a rigid shell.
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10/26/2016 7:31pm
I have a 6D. IMO stick with a 6D or anything with MIPS. Having dual density foam just isn't enough for me.
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10/26/2016 7:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2016 7:51pm
6D or bust for me from now on...After a recent gnarly high-side to head plant (during which all I could think about before impact was how bad it was going to be and that I'd hopefully remember where I parked), I walked away completely fine (minus the beyond black and blue bruising on my thigh from my knee brace). My helmet, on the other hand, was destroyed; cracked the inner foam and mangled the chin padding. One call to 6D, a work-week turnaround, and $250 later (minus shipping), and my helmet's back from their rebuilding program and good to go. They may have a higher initial price point, but for the safety, mental security, and rebuild option, they're my go-to from now on Cool

I've also heard good things about the new Bell Flex. Personally, I wouldn't trust my head in anything with MIPS; it's a great concept but some of the lids that offer the option are still carbon fiber based shells, which are just too rigid (and often Snell approved) for moto...


DOT and EU approved are all I'd consider at this point. No need to have passed a double impact in one spot for us MX guys who (hopefully) toss or rebuild lids after severe hits...
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10/26/2016 9:59pm
EU standard is not just testing one helmet from a company but testing a short run and comparing results for an average result. And almost all helmets with an ECE rating are lighter than other helmets. But what you by is your choice because you head is different than mine and so is the fit.

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10/27/2016 6:09am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2016 6:10am
TLD, a helmet doesn't give you a concussion!
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10/27/2016 6:43am
I would love to hear more opinions on this from you guys. This is great info from real moto people.
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10/27/2016 7:13am
I remember an old thread a few years back where people were ragging on the Airoh because it cracked during a crash. Personally, I think it was a good thing. I want my helmet to "break" (for lack of a better term) in a crash. Of course it needs to be strong enough to withstand the impact and not just completely collapse, but a little "give" allowing for the helmet to absorb the energy seems like a good thing to me.

And now for the necessary Vital disclaimer: feel free to pick apart my specific use of descriptive words, $10 dollar head, Shoei or die, yada yada yada.
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10/27/2016 7:47am
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think.

I've already had 5 concussions so I really shouldn't play games with helmets.

These 6D helmets look solid.
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10/27/2016 8:05am
hvaughn88 wrote:
I remember an old thread a few years back where people were ragging on the Airoh because it cracked during a crash. Personally, I think it...
I remember an old thread a few years back where people were ragging on the Airoh because it cracked during a crash. Personally, I think it was a good thing. I want my helmet to "break" (for lack of a better term) in a crash. Of course it needs to be strong enough to withstand the impact and not just completely collapse, but a little "give" allowing for the helmet to absorb the energy seems like a good thing to me.

And now for the necessary Vital disclaimer: feel free to pick apart my specific use of descriptive words, $10 dollar head, Shoei or die, yada yada yada.
I completely agree with this. In an impact I would think that the helmet cracking is a good thing because it absorbed some of the inertia.
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10/27/2016 8:11am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2016 8:12am
Jt$ wrote:
I would love to hear more opinions on this from you guys. This is great info from real moto people.
I'm not real, or a moto guy but I'm positive a helmet doesn't give you a concussion!

I am one of the guys that made the little CD for you back in the day.
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10/27/2016 11:58am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2016 4:39pm
Once I learned that DOT factors in a helmets ability to withstand a high impact small point puncture in the same spot twice, I now care very little about that certification.

I have an Airoh Avaiator from Europe and I LOVE it. It's not DOT approved and I don't care. Its light because it doesn't have to pass a God damn anvil drop! Pinch Huh Cool
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10/27/2016 1:04pm
Ive exploded Moto 3s 4's and 5's. I think todays helmets are just shit. They even feel flimsy.

I never got knocked out or was concussed.
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10/27/2016 1:07pm
kott0n wrote:
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think. I've already had 5...
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think.

I've already had 5 concussions so I really shouldn't play games with helmets.

These 6D helmets look solid.
Not sure if this is still true, but years ago HJC was one of the largest helmet manufacturers. They actually manufactured helmets for several companies.
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10/27/2016 1:08pm
kott0n wrote:
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think. I've already had 5...
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think.

I've already had 5 concussions so I really shouldn't play games with helmets.

These 6D helmets look solid.
HJC is a name brand. And they make helmets for numerous people.

3 helmets I trust (that Ive hit hard in)

Fly, Bell, HJC. Im sure others are great. But Im OK with my head in those.

My Fly Carbon F2 got ripped off so hoping to get a new one soon. $$$$$
10/27/2016 1:21pm
kott0n wrote:
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think. I've already had 5...
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think.

I've already had 5 concussions so I really shouldn't play games with helmets.

These 6D helmets look solid.
Skidaddle wrote:
HJC is a name brand. And they make helmets for numerous people. 3 helmets I trust (that Ive hit hard in) Fly, Bell, HJC. Im sure...
HJC is a name brand. And they make helmets for numerous people.

3 helmets I trust (that Ive hit hard in)

Fly, Bell, HJC. Im sure others are great. But Im OK with my head in those.

My Fly Carbon F2 got ripped off so hoping to get a new one soon. $$$$$
Good price on some Fly F2 helmets. Good buy on lots of gear!!
http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/off+road/motocross+helmets/f/brand-1…

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10/27/2016 1:51pm
Good feedback about HJC.

I'm a firm believer in helmets have 1 good crash in them and you should replaced it. I've yet to ring my bell good enough to retire this helmet but I'm thinking more from an R&D standpoint and sheer shelf life of materials, I'm pushing the shelf life I feel. Add in 10 years is some serious R&D time and there is more body's out there resting helmets, I shold get a new one.
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10/27/2016 2:15pm
I have a 6D. IMO stick with a 6D or anything with MIPS. Having dual density foam just isn't enough for me.
There's a good point hiding in here...

Many of the helmets that're using new tech...like 6D, Fly, Bell, Kali or what I wear and swear by after planting my head in a rock at speed and destroying a brand-new one...

The TLD SE4...

...these new helmets with additional impact and rotation protection exceed the outdated certifications that this thread is about.

In short: do your homework and get the best helmet you can afford.

From Troy Lee to Bob Webber(6D) to Brad Waldron (Kali and he's a composite design genius)...

ALL these guys, every one of them, was NOT thinking about "the money" when they went after the idea...the thought of "a better-safer helmet". In-fact, every damn one of'em spent too much money and caused themselves grief by stubbornly pursuing what they felt was the best.

Bob Webber, his wife and Brad Waldron hanging out at InterBike (obviously, friends that enjoy making things better):




10/27/2016 3:05pm
1st ALL helmets sold in the US have to be DOT approved.
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10/27/2016 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 10/27/2016 4:38pm
1st ALL helmets sold in the US have to be DOT approved.
Which is stupid, because motocross helmets shouldn't be tested for puncture hits in the same spot twice
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10/27/2016 6:59pm
I've only ever had one standard through my riding life - A.R.A.I
10/27/2016 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/27/2016 7:08pm
1st ALL helmets sold in the US have to be DOT approved.
Note that DOT is also a self-certification, not an independent test.
10/27/2016 11:51pm
JT,

All the companies doing intermediate impact layers (6d, bell, tld) are putting them in composite shells. There's a void in the market for that technology in a polycarbonate shell at a lower price point. Would fit well with the Fly attitude toward high value at a sensible price.
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10/28/2016 6:27am
JT, All the companies doing intermediate impact layers (6d, bell, tld) are putting them in composite shells. There's a void in the market for that technology...
JT,

All the companies doing intermediate impact layers (6d, bell, tld) are putting them in composite shells. There's a void in the market for that technology in a polycarbonate shell at a lower price point. Would fit well with the Fly attitude toward high value at a sensible price.
Yes, I think you'll see that from the majority of companies in the next 5 years. Technology always trickles downwards into the more price-minded products over time. But, the premier level helmets will also be seeing even better technology in the same time period. So it's a never ending process of outdating and updating. It is an exciting time for helmets, though. The concussion education we have all undergone has pushed helmet designers and techies to redefine their limits.
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10/28/2016 10:43am
Some nice information this thread has generated.

I really enjoy my bell super 2r with mips for mtb, and i will use it on DH from now on.
my mx helmet is still going strong and knock on wood i thankfully haven't had to test it.
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I have an EU version Aviator 2.2 and love it. I didn't crash hard with it (and don't plan to lol) but I've seen it take pretty hard crashes with no problems.
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10/28/2016 11:27am
kott0n wrote:
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think. I've already had 5...
I'm about to buy a new helmet. Mine is an off brand that I could afford 10 years ago, HJC I think.

I've already had 5 concussions so I really shouldn't play games with helmets.

These 6D helmets look solid.
Skidaddle wrote:
HJC is a name brand. And they make helmets for numerous people. 3 helmets I trust (that Ive hit hard in) Fly, Bell, HJC. Im sure...
HJC is a name brand. And they make helmets for numerous people.

3 helmets I trust (that Ive hit hard in)

Fly, Bell, HJC. Im sure others are great. But Im OK with my head in those.

My Fly Carbon F2 got ripped off so hoping to get a new one soon. $$$$$
HJC is the #1 sold helmet in the world. They make helmets for Harley Davidson, Thor, Icon as well as their own. They are absolutely a Helmet Manufacturer first just like Shoei, and ARAI.
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10/28/2016 11:34am
Noticed the other day that bell had a version of their mx-9 with mips and it was only $199.
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10/28/2016 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2016 12:58pm
There is no such helmet that should be able to take 2 hits.

1 big hit and it should be trash. I know that there are people doubting the Airoh Aviator because it's the lightest out there and it gets cracked relatively easily but that is a normal thing.

At the moment i ride with a 6D. The tech is impressive but it is a bit too heavy for my taste and the quality is very far of what i would expect from pretty much the most expensive helmet out there. A dealer near me is going to stop selling Bell helmets so i might get a great deal on a Moto 9 Flex.

MIPS as a company and the helmet brands that use it have done very well with their marketing since there are a lot of people comparing MIPS to the systems that Bell, 6D and Leatt uses. MIPS is a good thing, don't get me wrong. But it's not high end.

Edit: Yes i got a good deal on a Tagger Designs Moto 9 Flex helmet. 449€ is not bad at all. High hopes for that helmet.
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11/11/2016 6:09am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2016 6:35am
Got the Bell Moto 9 FLEX today.

What. A. Helmet.

The fitment and finish of the helmet is incredible(as it should be with a high-end helmet). Probably the best fitting helmet that i have ever tried.

Way, way better than 6D.
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11/11/2016 6:27am
I havent heard a single mention of the Leatt, which I have been riding with for a few months. I compared it side by side with the 6D. I really liked both helmets and felt either one would protect my coconut equally. In the end I chose the Leatt for several reasons:

1. It uses a smaller shell, and since I wear 2XL it really makes a difference!
2. It ventilates better than any other helmet on the market.
3. I liked the colorway better
4. It was over $200 less
5. It was slightly lighter in my size.

I have been very pleased with this helmet, so much so that I dont rush to pull it off my head when I stop. And we ride in 90+ degrees in South Florida heat.

I wanted to compare the Bell Moto Flex 9 but I could not find one anywhere in town, but I trust Bell as well.

That being said, the best helmet for the money that I ever purchased is my Fly Carbon F2 and that is not going anywhere. Its my spare and my daughter uses it on the ATV.

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