Herlings has proven his worth

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Basing off his interviews, he actually seems like a pretty decent guy. I'll be rooting him on in MXGP or if he comes over here eventually.
MotoX85 wrote:
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many...
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many GP victories he has, you just lost, you've never raced the AMA, and your the best ever. Dudes back to being a tool. His gallatically inflated ego and massively narcissistic personality are going to make him the most hated champion in history. That is one record he will have no problem beating and holding for a long time.
He said he was the most successful 250 GP rider in terms of wins. Which is a fact. Don't twist his words, he never came close to claiming he was the best lites rider ever.
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Thelen20 wrote:
If herlings quit today he would go down as one of the best to ever do it imo, he has next level talent and is amazing...
If herlings quit today he would go down as one of the best to ever do it imo, he has next level talent and is amazing to watch!
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Ummm....no!!!!!
Thelen20 wrote:
Why not??? I have seen him do things in the sand that no other rider has ever done . . . And he is pretty darn...
Why not??? I have seen him do things in the sand that no other rider has ever done . . . And he is pretty darn good everywhere else too.

Injury/crash prone? yes . . . Can be a jerk at times? yes . . . One of the most amazingly talented riders of all time who has pulled off things on a dirtbike that are mind blowing? yes

So since he grew up in the sand and can ride it well he's one of the greatest ever? It took him 7 years to win 3 titles and he's one of the greatest ever. He's never raced MX1 and he's one of the best ever. I'm not saying he can't eventually be one of the best ever, but now......no way. He wouldn't make top 100 ever right now.
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Jordan421 wrote:
I'm sorry but when time came to it, Webb vs Herling, Webb won.
Webb won in the end but you can't say Herlings didn't beat him cause they had a moto each and it was straight up for both of them.
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9/12/2016 12:10am
Basing off his interviews, he actually seems like a pretty decent guy. I'll be rooting him on in MXGP or if he comes over here eventually.
MotoX85 wrote:
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many...
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many GP victories he has, you just lost, you've never raced the AMA, and your the best ever. Dudes back to being a tool. His gallatically inflated ego and massively narcissistic personality are going to make him the most hated champion in history. That is one record he will have no problem beating and holding for a long time.
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He said he was the most successful 250 GP rider in terms of wins. Which is a fact. Don't twist his words, he never came close...
He said he was the most successful 250 GP rider in terms of wins. Which is a fact. Don't twist his words, he never came close to claiming he was the best lites rider ever.
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider in history in world championships" end quote. That is the most arrogant statement i think i have ever heard.

Gaston Rather
Harry Everts
Alessio Chiodi (plus 2 2nd places)
Yves Demaria (plus 2 2nd places).

All these guys would probably have something to say about your comment.
All of them are 3x champs on the small bike. None of them were considered "best ever" until they moved up to the premier class and won championships there.

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MotoX85 wrote:
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider...
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider in history in world championships" end quote. That is the most arrogant statement i think i have ever heard.

Gaston Rather
Harry Everts
Alessio Chiodi (plus 2 2nd places)
Yves Demaria (plus 2 2nd places).

All these guys would probably have something to say about your comment.
All of them are 3x champs on the small bike. None of them were considered "best ever" until they moved up to the premier class and won championships there.
He has the most GP wins of any rider in the 250 class. What he said is true, and backed up by statistics, please remember English is not his first language. Now I don't think he can be considered one of the best ever until he's done it in the 450 class, but for you to say he's not even in the top 100. That's just ridiculous
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MXDN can`t get here soon enough.
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You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the second moto in Charlotte. In my opinion, and that is after seeing him ride since he was 12 years old on a 85cc he probably is one of the most talented riders that ever rode on a motorcycle. He has the MXON to "prove his worth", but for me he already is a guy to have some respect for. Read his interview on transworldmx, maybe your opinion wil change a little..
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9/12/2016 12:31am
Sodipop wrote:
If he stays healthy and just gets beat then the anti-herlings mafia gets total justification but I will be absolutely shocked if anyone currently in mx1...
If he stays healthy and just gets beat then the anti-herlings mafia gets total justification but I will be absolutely shocked if anyone currently in mx1 has anything for him
kiwifan wrote:
Really so you think hes going to hop on the 450 and spank everyone in MX1? I mean i know Gajser did just that this year...
Really so you think hes going to hop on the 450 and spank everyone in MX1? I mean i know Gajser did just that this year but I am not so sure Herlings will have an easy/comfortable ride...look to him to win a few GP's but not the title is my prediction. Happy to be proven wrong of course.
Sodipop wrote:
I believe in him that much. And if he doesn't, I was wrong. I think he's on the level of Roczen, Dungey, and Tomac
Fair enough Smile
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MotoX85 wrote:
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider...
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider in history in world championships" end quote. That is the most arrogant statement i think i have ever heard.

Gaston Rather
Harry Everts
Alessio Chiodi (plus 2 2nd places)
Yves Demaria (plus 2 2nd places).

All these guys would probably have something to say about your comment.
All of them are 3x champs on the small bike. None of them were considered "best ever" until they moved up to the premier class and won championships there.
RG1 wrote:
He has the most GP wins of any rider in the 250 class. What he said is true, and backed up by statistics, please remember English...
He has the most GP wins of any rider in the 250 class. What he said is true, and backed up by statistics, please remember English is not his first language. Now I don't think he can be considered one of the best ever until he's done it in the 450 class, but for you to say he's not even in the top 100. That's just ridiculous
He did not say most wins, he said most championships, I rewound it 10 times to make sure I quoted correctly
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9/12/2016 12:42am
Cortami79 wrote:
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the...
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the second moto in Charlotte. In my opinion, and that is after seeing him ride since he was 12 years old on a 85cc he probably is one of the most talented riders that ever rode on a motorcycle. He has the MXON to "prove his worth", but for me he already is a guy to have some respect for. Read his interview on transworldmx, maybe your opinion wil change a little..
Nobody's hyped up, it's just conversation, and I gave him props for that and said I hope he matures from there, but then the week after, he goes right back being full of himself. He's a great rider for sure, but his antics to other riders on the track and his mouth are gonna make it where nobody cares how fast he is.

Again, this is just a discussion, if you are starting to get worked up, take a break, get a beer.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Nobody's hyped up, it's just conversation, and I gave him props for that and said I hope he matures from there, but then the week after...
Nobody's hyped up, it's just conversation, and I gave him props for that and said I hope he matures from there, but then the week after, he goes right back being full of himself. He's a great rider for sure, but his antics to other riders on the track and his mouth are gonna make it where nobody cares how fast he is.

Again, this is just a discussion, if you are starting to get worked up, take a break, get a beer.
I`m starting to think Paul has two accounts here.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider...
Now you are putting words in his mouth. I quote "we had a very successful lites career, i think i was the most dominate 250 rider in history in world championships" end quote. That is the most arrogant statement i think i have ever heard.

Gaston Rather
Harry Everts
Alessio Chiodi (plus 2 2nd places)
Yves Demaria (plus 2 2nd places).

All these guys would probably have something to say about your comment.
All of them are 3x champs on the small bike. None of them were considered "best ever" until they moved up to the premier class and won championships there.
RG1 wrote:
He has the most GP wins of any rider in the 250 class. What he said is true, and backed up by statistics, please remember English...
He has the most GP wins of any rider in the 250 class. What he said is true, and backed up by statistics, please remember English is not his first language. Now I don't think he can be considered one of the best ever until he's done it in the 450 class, but for you to say he's not even in the top 100. That's just ridiculous
MotoX85 wrote:
He did not say most wins, he said most championships, I rewound it 10 times to make sure I quoted correctly
Yes, and it was about a minute after the second one of two 35min motos under 100°F. Plus he said "I think" and in fact he was right cause none of the guys you mentionned had more. The fact that he won 61 250 GPs makes him the most successful 250 GP rider ever and places him above all of them, end of the story.

9/12/2016 12:51am
Basing off his interviews, he actually seems like a pretty decent guy. I'll be rooting him on in MXGP or if he comes over here eventually.
MotoX85 wrote:
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many...
Really, how many people mention in an interview 1 week after getting beat straight up, that they're the best "lites" rider ever. Don't care how many GP victories he has, you just lost, you've never raced the AMA, and your the best ever. Dudes back to being a tool. His gallatically inflated ego and massively narcissistic personality are going to make him the most hated champion in history. That is one record he will have no problem beating and holding for a long time.
The guy came over and beat the AMA's best in his home town,then won GH like a stroll,Martin has owned that place many times and Forkner recently blitzed the AMA field by 20 seconds,Herlings is an amazing talent that needs no validation at all,let alone clowns that simply slag the guy off for doing what he's done recently,in Europe and in the past.

How would Webb,Martin,Savatry, Forkner,Cinciarullo fare against the guy in Europe? It works both ways which some can't seem to grasp,the out and out fastest rider of a generation,Villopoto showed that in his GP campain.

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Cortami79 wrote:
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the...
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the second moto in Charlotte. In my opinion, and that is after seeing him ride since he was 12 years old on a 85cc he probably is one of the most talented riders that ever rode on a motorcycle. He has the MXON to "prove his worth", but for me he already is a guy to have some respect for. Read his interview on transworldmx, maybe your opinion wil change a little..
He has already proven his worth in MXON in 2012. He lapped Tim Gajser twice .. Ok it was sand but it's the same for everyone and they are all professional racers. He destroyed everyone. Look how far off Roczen was

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MotoX85 wrote:
He did not say most wins, he said most championships, I rewound it 10 times to make sure I quoted correctly
You say one thing, your quote something else. Why making yourself look foolish? For what reason? it won't affect past results and probably not future results either. I'm curious.

He said "most dominate" which cannot mean anything else that beeing very much faster than the current competition. And he usually wins by a huge margin, week in and week out. If you have trouble understanding the word dominate or domination, check some races up and it will become obvious to you.
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Cortami79 wrote:
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the...
You guys really need to calm your tits. If i'm right, he was really respectful about the other (American) riders and admitted he got beaten the second moto in Charlotte. In my opinion, and that is after seeing him ride since he was 12 years old on a 85cc he probably is one of the most talented riders that ever rode on a motorcycle. He has the MXON to "prove his worth", but for me he already is a guy to have some respect for. Read his interview on transworldmx, maybe your opinion wil change a little..
He has already proven his worth in MXON in 2012. He lapped Tim Gajser twice .. Ok it was sand but it's the same for everyone and they are all professional racers. He destroyed everyone. Look how far off Roczen was

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RangerLee wrote:
I did not know he had to prove his worth. He did show that maybe jetlag could have been a factor last week.
Yeah. Jetlag or Cooper Webb. One or the other.
People seem to forget that Herlings beat Webb straight up the first moto. They were neck and neck and Herlings just pulled away from Webb. And it was the other way around the 2nd moto.
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RangerLee wrote:
I did not know he had to prove his worth. He did show that maybe jetlag could have been a factor last week.
Yeah. Jetlag or Cooper Webb. One or the other.
Sideways wrote:
People seem to forget that Herlings beat Webb straight up the first moto. They were neck and neck and Herlings just pulled away from Webb. And...
People seem to forget that Herlings beat Webb straight up the first moto. They were neck and neck and Herlings just pulled away from Webb. And it was the other way around the 2nd moto.
Yeah and after celebration of his 3rd world title....and it was his 2nd race and 3rd week after no riding because of injury....man he showed what he is capable off... and it isnt a battle between herlings and cooper webb...it's the american fans vs the european.

And what i see is that the american fans always take the underdog position, because they always compare their top rider vs herlings. Now its coop, back then it was martin or musquin...forkner comes along with it...


And you guys who are negative about herlings...wonder whats happening when 'cooper' is racing against herlings in what shall i say...valkenswaard. doesn't have to be lommel
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9/12/2016 4:29am
RangerLee wrote:
I did not know he had to prove his worth. He did show that maybe jetlag could have been a factor last week.
Yeah. Jetlag or Cooper Webb. One or the other.
Sideways wrote:
People seem to forget that Herlings beat Webb straight up the first moto. They were neck and neck and Herlings just pulled away from Webb. And...
People seem to forget that Herlings beat Webb straight up the first moto. They were neck and neck and Herlings just pulled away from Webb. And it was the other way around the 2nd moto.
^^^I'm with this right here.

Been watching people argue back and forth the past twp weeks about who's better than who, but Charlotte was just one individual race. Jeffery handled the first moto straight up and nobody can argue that fact no matter what side of the pond you hail from.
9/12/2016 4:59am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2016 5:01am
This one's a decent father in his cap and only a couple of weeks after his 17th birthday too.Wink





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9/12/2016 5:17am
Winning 3 out of 4 motos here in the USA proves what many have known about him, he's a bad ass!
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9/12/2016 5:39am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2016 5:42am
This one's a decent father in his cap and only a couple of weeks after his 17th birthday too.;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/12/151426/s1200_s1600_IMG_8125.jpg[/img]
This one's a decent father in his cap and only a couple of weeks after his 17th birthday too.Wink





2011 MXDN - using one of those 'slow' 350s . On a power circuit. Saint Jean has a serious amount of elevation change, and is flipping fast.

2nd moto, he had the gearbox stuck in 3rd gear, to my foggy recollection. But, perhaps that happened in the moto pictured above?

Seriously, grown men - which is largely who we have here ? - continually bleating on about riders, is beyond silly.

It seems one week, a rider is a 'squid' (or his bike is a dog), next week he's the second coming of Hey Zeus.

All these blokes are just fast motorcycle riders. Most, with enormous egos - it's something that is common with people who achieve things within their chosen pursuits.

Herlings proved his worth to KTM a long time ago. His employer. A few here might recall Pit Beirer saying recently he was on the level of Dungey and Cairoli - I'd say he's been paid at their level, for a fair few years now.



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9/12/2016 6:54am
If you questioned his worth you were an idiot
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This one's a decent father in his cap and only a couple of weeks after his 17th birthday too.;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/12/151426/s1200_s1600_IMG_8125.jpg[/img]
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I was there that day. Awesome ride
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9/12/2016 7:10am
The guy gives plenty of credit to the riders over here. Aside from him listening to Bieber lol I don't get the beef people have with him? If he rides that good being motivated by Bieber music, imagine if someone introduced him to 5 Finger Death Punch!! Seems like a decent kid, some of you guys look too much into what these 20 something year old kids say in their interviews. What would you be like if you were that young and that successful in something? I've seen way more "local pros" that are lucky if they can even qualify for a main or national with more inflated egos than these guys.
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9/12/2016 7:13am
I wasn't suprised at all that Herlings won the MX2 Saturday, because his competition in the GP's aren't slow by any means, and he regularly trumps them easily.

Frankly, I was much more impressed by what I heard in interviews and read in print from him. I think his newfound maturity and humility has converted many like myself and has gone a long way toward making himself more fans. When you look at people like Tony & Jill Cairoli, and a few others it shows that you can be humble and down to earth and still be a champion. Glad that Jeremy is finding that balance, or seems to be at any rate.
9/12/2016 7:24am
I'm not reading any of this retired old man bench racing but this is the answer. 3 championships in 7 years due to injury. More people get hurt and have bigger injuries in the big boy class especially their rookie year. He will get injured or be too inconsistent while racing the men. He will be seen as a little bike specialist when his career is over. This is his top and the fall begins now.
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9/12/2016 7:26am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2016 7:27am
The guy came over and beat the AMA's best in his home town,then won GH like a stroll,Martin has owned that place many times and Forkner...
The guy came over and beat the AMA's best in his home town,then won GH like a stroll,Martin has owned that place many times and Forkner recently blitzed the AMA field by 20 seconds,Herlings is an amazing talent that needs no validation at all,let alone clowns that simply slag the guy off for doing what he's done recently,in Europe and in the past.

How would Webb,Martin,Savatry, Forkner,Cinciarullo fare against the guy in Europe? It works both ways which some can't seem to grasp,the out and out fastest rider of a generation,Villopoto showed that in his GP campain.

Martin has won Glen Helen once... And didn't Webb win Charlotte?

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