Put a little spicy here... MXGeoff on Matthes

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The higher you ascend the more you will get beat down.
Peach it Matthes..
The outsider.
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8/31/2016 10:01pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2016 10:04pm
Bauer wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with what Geoff wrote and I'm not sure why he was so defensive about what Matthes wrote, but it amazes me...
I don't see anything wrong with what Geoff wrote and I'm not sure why he was so defensive about what Matthes wrote, but it amazes me how easily manipulated some of you guys are. Ol' Geoff knows exactly what buttons to push to get you fucksticks to do just about any trick in the book! "Let's see, I'll just hit this button right here labeled 'passive-aggressive smack talk' and jeffro503 will do a 1 and 1/2 gainer, with a twist"!

Sure, Geoff is a Youthstream sock puppet, just as Jason Weigandt is a mouthpiece for MX Sports, although Geoff is a bit more blatant about it. I know this much: you will never read a negative word from either one about their respective employers. So what? Big deal, get over it. Use your big brains to filter what is relevant information and what is propaganda, it's not that hard and there are no consequences if you get it wrong.

Geoff is also not a polished writer, but then again, English is not his native language. I like Geoff, he's an amiable bloke and always seems to be working fairly hard whenever I run into him in the press tents. He must be doing something right, because his online magazine, MX Illustrated, has 60 pages of ads out of 110 total pages, mostly from American companies.
Yeah, Steve129, most of us understand its a message board. Love ya, bro, but we don't need a pious lecture. Jeffro503 can say whatever the hell...
Yeah, Steve129, most of us understand its a message board. Love ya, bro, but we don't need a pious lecture. Jeffro503 can say whatever the hell he wants. You do believe in diversity of opinion, don't you?
jeffro503 wrote:
A little conversation I had with Geoff , right here at Vital.... [b]Me[/b] : Why do you always route for every other country on earth to...
A little conversation I had with Geoff , right here at Vital....

Me : Why do you always route for every other country on earth to beat the American's at the MXoN's race?

Geoff : Because the GP's are a superior series and has superior riders.

Me : So in your eyes , you never want to see the American's do well there?

Geoff : Mate , I don't want to ever see the American team win....EVER!

Everything that guy says , has some sort of an anti American tone too it , and sometimes he just comes right out and says it. NO....I don't like the guy. Why would I like someone who blatantly hates my country and the people in it? Weather it's about this sport or not.....he's an asshole. Plain and simple. He's also an Aussie who abandoned their series and riders as well and jumped on the GP train. No wonder the Aussie's dis-owned that guy as well.

He doesn't make me upset in the least. I just can't stand the son of a bitch.
Most guys learn to curb their piehole when they are kids on the playground. Geoff never "got his." Cool Laughing



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DV-67 wrote:
I've read way more anti GP stuff on here than I have read anti AMA. I get a kick out of people saying the riders are...
I've read way more anti GP stuff on here than I have read anti AMA.

I get a kick out of people saying the riders are being forced to go to the one off races. If the riders don't want to go why sign contracts with companies that are going to require them to go? Before they sign the contract it should be put in writing that they will not attend these one off races. They go to these races because their employer wants them to go.

The riders can always choose where and who they work for. Of course their options for high dollar rides may be limited if they truly don't want to race the one off races.
It's an American site...

Have you seen the rider's contracts who are upset with having to go? Were these races specifically in there when they signed or was it pressed on them after the fact? I don't know the answer so I'm not going to act like I do.
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Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up they would negotiate to participate in these types of races or not. Similar to how some have chosen to go SX only etc.

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8/31/2016 10:50pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2016 10:51pm
DV-67 wrote:
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up...
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up they would negotiate to participate in these types of races or not. Similar to how some have chosen to go SX only etc.
You are not talking about a real life in a niche sport.
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DV-67 wrote:
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up...
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up they would negotiate to participate in these types of races or not. Similar to how some have chosen to go SX only etc.
you nailed the answer to all of this.

put it in the contract !

if you only want to do series races , put it into your contract .... if you only want to do half races part time , put it in the contract .... if you only want to go straight etc


for fuck's sake it aint rocket science .....

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Bauer - one assumes it's Steve?

Your post was pretty bloody spot on.

Even down to English not being his Native Language.

His Native Language is 'Strine' - he's Australian.

Well, I've read that he may be originally from New Zealand - so many of them come here to OZ, the 'orrible little Oiks (luvs yuz. Kiwis). So his Native Language may be that bizarre, barely understandable poliglot that is Kee Wee / Ku Whu. When I've read some of his more blatant "Sock Puppet for Luongo" pieces, I've so hoped we could disown him, and blame it on him being a bloody Weirdo Kiwi. But, it appears he really is, originally from Australia, but, he shipped off to Europe a long time ago.
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[b]Bauer [/b]- one assumes it's Steve? Your post was pretty bloody spot on. Even down to English not being his Native Language. His Native Language is...
Bauer - one assumes it's Steve?

Your post was pretty bloody spot on.

Even down to English not being his Native Language.

His Native Language is 'Strine' - he's Australian.

Well, I've read that he may be originally from New Zealand - so many of them come here to OZ, the 'orrible little Oiks (luvs yuz. Kiwis). So his Native Language may be that bizarre, barely understandable poliglot that is Kee Wee / Ku Whu. When I've read some of his more blatant "Sock Puppet for Luongo" pieces, I've so hoped we could disown him, and blame it on him being a bloody Weirdo Kiwi. But, it appears he really is, originally from Australia, but, he shipped off to Europe a long time ago.
Lucky Ozzies...
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Urban legend says he got offended by this video and ran away from Australia. I don`t know how true it is.Wink Whistling


https://youtu.be/1EY7lYRneHc
9/1/2016 12:16am
Bauer wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with what Geoff wrote and I'm not sure why he was so defensive about what Matthes wrote, but it amazes me...
I don't see anything wrong with what Geoff wrote and I'm not sure why he was so defensive about what Matthes wrote, but it amazes me how easily manipulated some of you guys are. Ol' Geoff knows exactly what buttons to push to get you fucksticks to do just about any trick in the book! "Let's see, I'll just hit this button right here labeled 'passive-aggressive smack talk' and jeffro503 will do a 1 and 1/2 gainer, with a twist"!

Sure, Geoff is a Youthstream sock puppet, just as Jason Weigandt is a mouthpiece for MX Sports, although Geoff is a bit more blatant about it. I know this much: you will never read a negative word from either one about their respective employers. So what? Big deal, get over it. Use your big brains to filter what is relevant information and what is propaganda, it's not that hard and there are no consequences if you get it wrong.

Geoff is also not a polished writer, but then again, English is not his native language. I like Geoff, he's an amiable bloke and always seems to be working fairly hard whenever I run into him in the press tents. He must be doing something right, because his online magazine, MX Illustrated, has 60 pages of ads out of 110 total pages, mostly from American companies.
Geoff is Australian, English is his native language,
9/1/2016 12:20am
Bearuno wrote:
[b]Bauer [/b]- one assumes it's Steve? Your post was pretty bloody spot on. Even down to English not being his Native Language. His Native Language is...
Bauer - one assumes it's Steve?

Your post was pretty bloody spot on.

Even down to English not being his Native Language.

His Native Language is 'Strine' - he's Australian.

Well, I've read that he may be originally from New Zealand - so many of them come here to OZ, the 'orrible little Oiks (luvs yuz. Kiwis). So his Native Language may be that bizarre, barely understandable poliglot that is Kee Wee / Ku Whu. When I've read some of his more blatant "Sock Puppet for Luongo" pieces, I've so hoped we could disown him, and blame it on him being a bloody Weirdo Kiwi. But, it appears he really is, originally from Australia, but, he shipped off to Europe a long time ago.
dont even start that shit, hes pure sell out australian shit stirrer, Wink

you might want to get him back for the wallabies tho, they aint doing so well,
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9/1/2016 1:29am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2016 1:30am
Buggerall Australians give a flying fuck about Rah Rah / Rugger Bugger Ball.

Kiwis, seem to live and die by it. Sad, really - though, we Luvs Yuz, Kiwis - you're our 'special' little brothers and sisters!
9/1/2016 1:53am
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Buggerall Australians give a flying fuck about Rah Rah / Rugger Bugger Ball. Kiwis, seem to live and die by it. Sad, really - though, we...
Buggerall Australians give a flying fuck about Rah Rah / Rugger Bugger Ball.

Kiwis, seem to live and die by it. Sad, really - though, we Luvs Yuz, Kiwis - you're our 'special' little brothers and sisters!
they care when they are winning, so it might be a while till they care again,

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DV-67 wrote:
Kongols I worked for one company for 15 years. The last couple of years I worked there I was truly not happy. I finally had enough...
Kongols I worked for one company for 15 years. The last couple of years I worked there I was truly not happy. I finally had enough and left. Working for a new company now for the last five years and am very happy. I look back now and wonder why it took me so long to leave.

I believe if you are truly not happy doing what your doing you are better of to leave and do something else even if it means taking less money or benefits.

I don't think any of the riders are that upset about having to do a one off race that they would leave their current employers for it. These guys make pretty good money for doing what they do and I'm sure they realize it.

I don't think any of the riders that are going to race these races are going to half ass it. They have too much pride for that.

At the end of the day I hope they all have a good time racing these events because in the long run the more racing there is the more opportunities there are for the racers to make more money. And us as fans get to enjoy watching!
Only one problem with your last sentence.

For the riders who race the GP's and any other "extra" races promoted by Youthstream is the fact that they get paid nothing. No purse money. Giuseppe Luongo and his friends in the FIM keep every penny.

So in the long run, ZERO purse money still equals ZERO no matter how many races Youthsteam promotes.

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The MXdN offers a small purse (a few grand) and SMX cup is offering 50,000 Euros to the individual winner, 30,000 for second place and 20,000 for third. The best placed MX2 rider gets 10,000

It's a shame YS don't offer additional purse money in the GPs but their business model is based on investing the money to create a professional series that attracts lucrative sponsorship for the teams, who inturn then pay the riders reasonable salaries. Whether it's working how it should is still up for debate but it cant be compared to America where Supercross generates the big bucks.
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9/1/2016 4:36am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2016 4:39am
scott_nz wrote:
they care when they are winning, so it might be a while till they care again,

Only the Rugger Buggers here care, and there are Buggerall of them.

It's not the near religion (here) that it seems to be in Un Zud. It's barely of interest. Not saying Rugby Union is a piss poor sport ( I played it myself in my youth - before I started to destroy my knees - to a very high level, beating touring jnr Un Zud and Brit teams, both in the games, and the brawl(s) - well, Rugby is a brawl where a game breaks out Woohoo ) , but it is just as piss poor a sport as most mainstream sports, to me.....................

But go ahead, and 'live the dream' through other peoples sporting efforts. Australians are pretty prone to that, but I've found Kee Wees are even worse. That, has never been part of my makeup.
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DV-67 wrote:
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up...
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up they would negotiate to participate in these types of races or not. Similar to how some have chosen to go SX only etc.
lestat wrote:
you nailed the answer to all of this. put it in the contract ! if you only want to do series races , put it into...
you nailed the answer to all of this.

put it in the contract !

if you only want to do series races , put it into your contract .... if you only want to do half races part time , put it in the contract .... if you only want to go straight etc


for fuck's sake it aint rocket science .....

Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX...

How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters etc... The only one i've heard with a good outcome is Travis Preston suing Utopia optical and winning...

Where's JT when you need him? Subway Honda right?
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Crush wrote:
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX... How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters...
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX...

How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters etc... The only one i've heard with a good outcome is Travis Preston suing Utopia optical and winning...

Where's JT when you need him? Subway Honda right?
Didn't Searle have KTM attempt to leave him hanging in the US, and he stood up to them and held them to contract? Or, was it even earlier than that, with Langston?

Either way, it was one of the few times that a rider avoided getting walked over / discarded, by a Factory.
9/1/2016 6:14am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2016 6:23am
Crush wrote:
Steve calls shit out. He's criticised the fuck out of EVERYTHING at one time or another including Europe races, AMA SX and the MX series effectively...
Steve calls shit out. He's criticised the fuck out of EVERYTHING at one time or another including Europe races, AMA SX and the MX series effectively run by his employer.

That instantly gives him waaaaaaay more credit than MXGeoff, who really, is just a fucking YS publicist.
You nailed it crush!

I love seeing people bash Steve while Defending him

Steve works in-part for mx sports

Steve is not unbiased media

He is an advertisement show for mx

Paid by mx

He is no real journalist - he is a story writer

If you listen carefully Geoff to the last pulp show , Steve calls the monster smx cup shit... Jake said that's kinda harsh and Steve said! "If monster pays him!! He will say nice things about the monster smx thing!" (Period)

& that's how it works in advertising

If the MXGPs cut Steve a cheque ? He will praise them - but it has to be a BIG cheque

Steve used to advertise the hell out of a product for $5000 now he won't look at 10!

If you pay? He will say ' fly best out there bro or fox ? switch fuckin dealers if they don't carry fox

Race tech is garbage! Steve knows this! He was a factory mechanic! If you pay Steve he will say what ever you want! Like a tape recorder! & if you actually swapped your shit out for race-tech? you're an idiot - sorry

Steves like a puppet , so though he is not paid to say nice things about Charlotte! Don't think it's not hype! It is! The best Motocrossers in the world are about to converge in the USA and yeah the cherry on top is we get to see the regular old MXGP sandbaggers pushed a little!

Those MXGP sandbaggers are the best riders in the world - EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT!!!! , it's just weird that they are scared to come to the USA and join the A class , where (YES) they usually dominate!

Such wasted talent in the GPs! It's sad!

You'd need like 20 MXGP titles to equal 1 AMA title

Like everts has 10!! of these bogus titles and young up & coming children don't even want him teaching them!

Then when GPs come to America the fans yawn! But throw in a couple A-class guys and the fans come in droves!

It's gonna be a good race

Can't wait !!!
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lol, icespikes always delivers!
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I've never met a person on this planet that liked Geoff.
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9/1/2016 8:02am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2016 8:05am
jamma10 wrote:
The MXdN offers a small purse (a few grand) and SMX cup is offering 50,000 Euros to the individual winner, 30,000 for second place and 20,000...
The MXdN offers a small purse (a few grand) and SMX cup is offering 50,000 Euros to the individual winner, 30,000 for second place and 20,000 for third. The best placed MX2 rider gets 10,000

It's a shame YS don't offer additional purse money in the GPs but their business model is based on investing the money to create a professional series that attracts lucrative sponsorship for the teams, who inturn then pay the riders reasonable salaries. Whether it's working how it should is still up for debate but it cant be compared to America where Supercross generates the big bucks.
Great pay for the SMX cup. The top 3 finishers are going to be the usual fast guys and they already get paid well by their respective teams and personal sponsors.

Only problem with Youthstreams business model is that it might work for well funded teams and those who have back door deals with Luongo for travel pay and entry fee waivers.

What it creates is a series where only the wealthy can afford to race. I know that all forms of racing are expensive and the guy with the most money usually wins. What Luongo does by not paying purse money is it eliminates the guys who have the talent to race at the top level but for what ever the reason don't have the connections or funding to do so.

The rider who comes in last place should be paid at least enough money to cover his entry fees.





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I've never met a person on this planet that liked Geoff.
online persona Geoff maybe not, but the guy is not unliked so bad in person.

I've met him a few times and he was likeable enough.
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DV-67 wrote:
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up...
Yeah I don't know the answer either. I would think that if the riders truly don't want to go that next time their contract is up they would negotiate to participate in these types of races or not. Similar to how some have chosen to go SX only etc.
lestat wrote:
you nailed the answer to all of this. put it in the contract ! if you only want to do series races , put it into...
you nailed the answer to all of this.

put it in the contract !

if you only want to do series races , put it into your contract .... if you only want to do half races part time , put it in the contract .... if you only want to go straight etc


for fuck's sake it aint rocket science .....

Crush wrote:
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX... How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters...
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX...

How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters etc... The only one i've heard with a good outcome is Travis Preston suing Utopia optical and winning...

Where's JT when you need him? Subway Honda right?
Well you have a point , but that's another fight for another day . If it's in your contract at least you have half a leg to stand on .
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lestat wrote:
you nailed the answer to all of this. put it in the contract ! if you only want to do series races , put it into...
you nailed the answer to all of this.

put it in the contract !

if you only want to do series races , put it into your contract .... if you only want to do half races part time , put it in the contract .... if you only want to go straight etc


for fuck's sake it aint rocket science .....

Crush wrote:
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX... How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters...
Well, we all know how much contracts are worth in MX...

How many horror stories have you read about in MX, from riders, teams, sponsors, promoters etc... The only one i've heard with a good outcome is Travis Preston suing Utopia optical and winning...

Where's JT when you need him? Subway Honda right?
lestat wrote:
Well you have a point , but that's another fight for another day . If it's in your contract at least you have half a leg...
Well you have a point , but that's another fight for another day . If it's in your contract at least you have half a leg to stand on .
What you guys are missing is that the Charlotte GP and the SMX were created after everyone had signed their contracts and were only announced at the beginning of the year...The riders are being pressured to race these events by the team sponsors (Monster) and manufacturers is anybody making extra money for this?? I will bet you that the team personnel are not and that is complete BS...
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Steve for years would talk about how great AC222 was to Americans. Something would seem to always happen to him at MXDN and he would always tell people AC is as fast as fast gets. Geoff would never say that if roles were reversed. Although Geoff did say "the Americans are unbeatable on home soil". Only time he spoke the whole truth.
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9/16/2016 8:19pm Edited Date/Time 9/16/2016 8:21pm
Perception becomes reality.

If you constantly need to tell someone that you're just as good as they are, you are not as good as they are.

Geoff does not seem to understand this.

Steve does what he thinks is right. If he didn't feel DC was right, he would say something. Can Geoff say the same about his employer?
9/17/2016 1:54am
As Ice said pay mathes enough and he will say whatever you want
just like guy vital i would be very surprised if he has checked all sponsors products and labels them the best there is as long as the check doesnt bounce all good.
d c would be happy with his investment as would g l with his
wasnt geoff the first to break the news / rumor that rv was gunna race in mxgp and that upset so many with most labelling it crap
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9/17/2016 6:49am Edited Date/Time 9/17/2016 6:52am
Keeping it simple. They both suck up to who pays the bills. If you work in the industry you look out for who puts food on your plate. It's not political or deep it's plain as white paint. And it's great sticking a pig to make it squeal. And I am not calling either Steve or Geoff a pig. It's a medifore if I spelled it right.
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9/17/2016 7:40am
You know what, maybe Stevie's fear and MINE is that MX sports will become
Like the FIM
And luongo!!
FIM has ruined motocross and we in the USA should never emulate what they've done to mx

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