Webb vs Herlings

shaffstall721 8/17/2016 10:02am
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I don't think there will be a problem with Herlings not being 100% by that stage. The only issue he may have is that he will...
I don't think there will be a problem with Herlings not being 100% by that stage. The only issue he may have is that he will more than likely win the title at Charlotte. That might make him think twice if things get a little dicey.
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Why would cooper hang it out? If it gets dicey....It's a meaningless race to him too...both guys have too much to look forward to next year...
Why would cooper hang it out? If it gets dicey....It's a meaningless race to him too...both guys have too much to look forward to next year, their legacy on 250s is already written and over.
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I never said Cooper would hang it out, just merely pointing out that there's a lot more than just pride riding on it for Herlings, his...
I never said Cooper would hang it out, just merely pointing out that there's a lot more than just pride riding on it for Herlings, his first priority will be ensuring he wins the title after losing it the last 2 years. Having said that, I'm sure both will be highly motivated to beat each other
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to win no matter what.

If Webb gets beat there will be no excuses....

I think Webb/Herlings is going to be a lot closer than most think....
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kijen 8/17/2016 10:16am
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I think it will come down to the start, if they are close at the start then it may be a great race, if either one gets out front early and the other a bad start I don't think there is much incentive for one to chase down the other, and I'm not sure their is such a difference in speed that either could. Hearlings would be motivated to get towards the front to clinch his championship, but not necessarily win. (all speculation at this point)

Of course only way to know for sure is to watch the raceSmile and for our sake get 1, 2 starts!

What ever the results I don't think either will have any excuses, but I'm sure their fans willSmile
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RG1 8/17/2016 10:17am
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shaffstall721 wrote:
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to...
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to win no matter what.

If Webb gets beat there will be no excuses....

I think Webb/Herlings is going to be a lot closer than most think....
No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a stage where it's not wise to do so.

We shall see. Most seem to think it will be very close anyway. Then again, most people here have never seen Herlings ride
RichardLoots 8/17/2016 10:38am
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It depends on how much SX stuff is on the track. That will be the difference, Cooper is a almost incomparably better all around rider(SX and...
It depends on how much SX stuff is on the track. That will be the difference, Cooper is a almost incomparably better all around rider(SX and MX) and he should be as he races SX as well. If Charlotee has SX style sections It really tips the favor towards Coop, if it's more natural I think JH has a huge chance despite it being in Coops backyard. Let's be honest as well JH should win, no one has been that fast on a 250f that long. If a guy with under 10 national wins beats a guy with over 60 that would be a lil embarrassing. Herlings has won far more MX races than Webb has entered. If JH doesn't win I would say that would be a let down.
so now youre using the sandbagger thing as an excuse ? LMFAO ...... youre good Laughing

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motomike137 8/17/2016 11:24am
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You guys are basing a helluva lot on 1 race at a track that only exists in cyberspace at the moment. The only thing I know for sure is Herlings is fast and Webb is fast.
RichardLoots 8/17/2016 12:07pm
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You guys are basing a helluva lot on 1 race at a track that only exists in cyberspace at the moment. The only thing I know...
You guys are basing a helluva lot on 1 race at a track that only exists in cyberspace at the moment. The only thing I know for sure is Herlings is fast and Webb is fast.
lets hope for some great racing
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philG 8/17/2016 12:33pm
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They will both bring it.. shame Ferrandis wont be in the mix, because he would have hung it right out.


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barrs211 8/17/2016 4:15pm
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So I read in a thread J.Mart is trying to get out his Yamaha contract and get on the Honda for the 2 USGP's?
Any truth to that or just purely speculation? If it's true then mx2 just got more interesting !
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PressPassP 8/17/2016 7:56pm
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If Herlings is fit he'll beat anyone in any class...
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Turbojez 8/17/2016 11:20pm
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Cooper is an incredibly talented rider who wants to prove the whole world that he is the best there is, but I believe Herlings will come out on top. I just think you cannot get any faster than JH without killing yourself on that bike. With that said I am sure we will see a breathtaking battle between those two. Can't wait!
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tempura 8/18/2016 12:33am
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If you've watched both of them race, live at the track, odds are most of those people would favour Herlings. Seeing is believing.
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RG1 8/18/2016 4:36am
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barrs211 wrote:
So I read in a thread J.Mart is trying to get out his Yamaha contract and get on the Honda for the 2 USGP's? Any truth...
So I read in a thread J.Mart is trying to get out his Yamaha contract and get on the Honda for the 2 USGP's?
Any truth to that or just purely speculation? If it's true then mx2 just got more interesting !
I doubt Martin is that desperate to ride the GP's
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sende 8/18/2016 5:12am
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PressPassP wrote:
If Herlings is fit he'll beat anyone in any class...
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Steely Dan 8/18/2016 6:45am
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PressPassP wrote:
If Herlings is fit he'll beat anyone in any class...
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He might not be accustomed to the intensity and pressure of Webb. He's used to racing for the first 3 turns, then turning on cruise control and winning by 2 minutes. What will he do when Cooper runs his foot over and throws a tear off at him 15 minutes into the moto? Call GIECO and get a quote on insurance?
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tempura 8/18/2016 6:57am
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He might not be accustomed to the intensity and pressure of Webb. He's used to racing for the first 3 turns, then turning on cruise control...
He might not be accustomed to the intensity and pressure of Webb. He's used to racing for the first 3 turns, then turning on cruise control and winning by 2 minutes. What will he do when Cooper runs his foot over and throws a tear off at him 15 minutes into the moto? Call GIECO and get a quote on insurance?
What will he do? Probably try harder to win the race?..
He's not a rookie, chasing his first world championship.
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RG1 8/18/2016 7:01am
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PressPassP wrote:
If Herlings is fit he'll beat anyone in any class...
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Steely Dan wrote:
He might not be accustomed to the intensity and pressure of Webb. He's used to racing for the first 3 turns, then turning on cruise control...
He might not be accustomed to the intensity and pressure of Webb. He's used to racing for the first 3 turns, then turning on cruise control and winning by 2 minutes. What will he do when Cooper runs his foot over and throws a tear off at him 15 minutes into the moto? Call GIECO and get a quote on insurance?
He will be able to cope with the intensity just fine. Herlings is a master at riding every lap as though it is a qualifying lap. He doesn't normally back off until he is miles in front, there's been a number of occasions where he has done the fastest lap of the race on virtually the last lap. So he has plenty in reserve
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agn5009 8/18/2016 7:14am
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shaffstall721 wrote:
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to...
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to win no matter what.

If Webb gets beat there will be no excuses....

I think Webb/Herlings is going to be a lot closer than most think....
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No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a...
No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a stage where it's not wise to do so.

We shall see. Most seem to think it will be very close anyway. Then again, most people here have never seen Herlings ride
I agree with this. I don't think it's going to be all that "close." It'll be "closer" than what Herlings is used to but I still think it'll be a good 10-15 second lead for Herlings.

I would absolutely love to see Webb beat Herlings and that's just my American pride talking. But it simply won't happen. Even if Webb puts a few thousand laps on Glen Helen I don't see it happening.

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RG1 8/18/2016 7:19am
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shaffstall721 wrote:
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to...
The excuses for herlings are already coming out. We all know it doesnt matter if he has 200 point lead in the championship he tries to win no matter what.

If Webb gets beat there will be no excuses....

I think Webb/Herlings is going to be a lot closer than most think....
RG1 wrote:
No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a...
No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a stage where it's not wise to do so.

We shall see. Most seem to think it will be very close anyway. Then again, most people here have never seen Herlings ride
agn5009 wrote:
I agree with this. I don't think it's going to be all that "close." It'll be "closer" than what Herlings is used to but I still...
I agree with this. I don't think it's going to be all that "close." It'll be "closer" than what Herlings is used to but I still think it'll be a good 10-15 second lead for Herlings.

I would absolutely love to see Webb beat Herlings and that's just my American pride talking. But it simply won't happen. Even if Webb puts a few thousand laps on Glen Helen I don't see it happening.
Maybe he could do it at GH, just because of track knowledge, but I feel like if he didn't beat Febvre there it will be tough to beat Herlings there. I guess we will see
shaffstall721 8/18/2016 8:30am
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No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a...
No excuses. I think Herlings will go out and race to win as he always does, but given the championship situation, it may get to a stage where it's not wise to do so.

We shall see. Most seem to think it will be very close anyway. Then again, most people here have never seen Herlings ride
agn5009 wrote:
I agree with this. I don't think it's going to be all that "close." It'll be "closer" than what Herlings is used to but I still...
I agree with this. I don't think it's going to be all that "close." It'll be "closer" than what Herlings is used to but I still think it'll be a good 10-15 second lead for Herlings.

I would absolutely love to see Webb beat Herlings and that's just my American pride talking. But it simply won't happen. Even if Webb puts a few thousand laps on Glen Helen I don't see it happening.
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Maybe he could do it at GH, just because of track knowledge, but I feel like if he didn't beat Febvre there it will be tough...
Maybe he could do it at GH, just because of track knowledge, but I feel like if he didn't beat Febvre there it will be tough to beat Herlings there. I guess we will see
Febvre had all the confidence in the world last year at GH, not to mention Webb's first ever pro 450 race? I think he did pretty damn amazing. Look at the big names he finished ahead of......

Cairoli
Coldenhoff
Paulin
Bobryshrev
Townley
Vanhorebeek

Finishing less than a second off of him the first race is damn good.

We will see what happens, give coop some credit sheesh.




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RG1 8/18/2016 8:40am
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Febvre had all the confidence in the world last year at GH, not to mention Webb's first ever pro 450 race? I think he did pretty...
Febvre had all the confidence in the world last year at GH, not to mention Webb's first ever pro 450 race? I think he did pretty damn amazing. Look at the big names he finished ahead of......

Cairoli
Coldenhoff
Paulin
Bobryshrev
Townley
Vanhorebeek

Finishing less than a second off of him the first race is damn good.

We will see what happens, give coop some credit sheesh.




Never said he didn't do well last year. He rode very well, which is why I said he could beat Herlings at Glen Helen. I just think it will be tough
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RG95 8/20/2016 2:19am
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Webb's a cunning guy no doubt. You all know he would never race if a healthy Herlings is there as ANY of the top US rider...
Webb's a cunning guy no doubt. You all know he would never race if a healthy Herlings is there as ANY of the top US rider has ever raced a USGP in the past 10 years. Cunning guy but... I might be wrong... he's racing the MXoN... still on a 450 though.
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Herlings will be 100% at Charolette and Glen Helen. Why wouldn't he be? Some guys get those collar bones plated and are back in 2 weeks...
Herlings will be 100% at Charolette and Glen Helen. Why wouldn't he be? Some guys get those collar bones plated and are back in 2 weeks. And Charolette is still 3 weeks out...GH is 5 weeks out.
Dude? Of course you can be back anytime but it doesn't mean that you are at 100% , those are two total different things.

Cairoli got injured in pre-season this year and fucked up his championship (not saying he would have won cause Gajser is on another planet no doubt) but just this year Cairoli wasn't the one I was used to see all years.

Now Herlings having being out for a month might be in the same conditions.
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PressPassP wrote:
If Herlings is fit he'll beat anyone in any class...
Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on his home turf. No fucking way will JH beat him.
RichardLoots 8/21/2016 7:54am
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Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on...
Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on his home turf. No fucking way will JH beat him.
let me remind you of this after the race
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RG1 8/21/2016 7:59am
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cali11 wrote:
Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on...
Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on his home turf. No fucking way will JH beat him.
Well Webb should win. After all, like you said he is on home turf and he has just been crowned as a champion in the best series in the world. Would be a little embarrassing if he didn't
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Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on...
Dude has been racing mx2 since what 2010? How many titles does he have to show for? Coop is an all around better rider & on his home turf. No fucking way will JH beat him.
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Well Webb should win. After all, like you said he is on home turf and he has just been crowned as a champion in the best...
Well Webb should win. After all, like you said he is on home turf and he has just been crowned as a champion in the best series in the world. Would be a little embarrassing if he didn't
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Well Webb should win. After all, like you said he is on home turf and he has just been crowned as a champion in the best...
Well Webb should win. After all, like you said he is on home turf and he has just been crowned as a champion in the best series in the world. Would be a little embarrassing if he didn't
I am not convinced it's the best series in the world. It was a few years back with Tomac, Barcia, Roczen and Musquin but I don't think Webb is better than any of those guys. And to say it's embarrasing to get beaten by Herlings is a weird statement. I believe that Herlings quite possibly is the fastest rider in the world, and then I include Roczen and Tomac. But that doesn't mean that he'll win every race he enters. The start might be bad, he might go down once or twice or the track suits someone else better. And in this particular situation there are a number of factors against him, so Webb might win, but don't be surprised if Seewer and Paturel smoke Webb. It wouldn't make me freak out.
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RG1 wrote:
Maybe he could do it at GH, just because of track knowledge, but I feel like if he didn't beat Febvre there it will be tough...
Maybe he could do it at GH, just because of track knowledge, but I feel like if he didn't beat Febvre there it will be tough to beat Herlings there. I guess we will see
Hmm his first ever race on a 450 and he nearly beats the world champ.... That alone should only make him that much scarier but alas he won't be there.

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