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I will type slower this time: Excuse me and chill please.
I only posted to find out if this happened at the track the OP referred to.
You'd have to be a real SOB and a complete dumbass to read anything more into it but it's a free country.
Now, to the OP's concern on the disproportionate number of med flight runs compared to other tracks. For me to make a valid assessment on that statement, I'll need a little more info.
What is the average number of participants on any given weekend at Briarcliff, and the other local area tracks?
How many squad runs and/or medflight runs are there on average on any given day at each said track?
Based on OP's original post, runs divided by participants will give the percentage determining the degree of danger.
I'd be willing to bet that the sheer number of riders will reduce the ratio to a number in line with most any other track.
I'm getting a feeling that the OP is more suggesting the the track "per se" isn't really dangerous, but he feels that how the tack is being operated is the danger. While I can't comment on the "C" track, I feel I have the experience and ability to claim the A/B track safe providing you have solid riding abilities. (My riding history 250B '83-'85, 125/250A '86-'92, 25+ '93-'96, stopped riding until '14, first time back on any track '16).
Maybe Mike has an axe to grind, maybe not. I've found there are always two sides to every story, and the two sides never jive. I personally believe that if you are going to make derogatory statements about a person or place on a public forum, you need to be able to back up said statements with hard facts. What I'm reading vs what I personally experienced just doesn't jive up. Maybe in the last two years since Mike has been there things have changed for the better.
Sorry if this was a long post, and even more sorry if it utilized too much common sense.
Oh, and Rock, I think I get where JB was coming from. The link to the funeral of Coty might have better off with the added question of "Did this happen at the same track?" Just seeing the link came across as indicating that it did happen there. Not bashing you, just pointing out how the vagueness of the post was misinterpreted.
Have a nice day ya'll.
The owner of Briarcliff maybe a stubborn red headed asshole but knows how to build a track and run it. He single handily put most tracks out of business in Ohio because of his track prep. The guy cares and is always looking for ways to make it safe/fun. Jeremy is slowly rebuilding Ohio mx .
To your safety comment you remind me of the folks who said loud bikes were cool back in 2007/2008. Fast forward nine years people get it now that less sound equals more ground.
Safety issues are going through the same arc IMO.
Have fun riding and ride naked if you want. That's cool.
Went to an AHRMA race a few years ago at Delta mx up by Toledo. Rode practice and I enjoyed the track. Came back to the pits to find the OP was vehemently complaining of too many jumps...was gonna pack up and leave if jumps weren't removed and did his best to stir other riders up about it. Track responded by having chicken paths going around some of the jumps and had a another practice so riders would see the new route. OP was still not happy and complained he'd leave if more jumps weren't cut out. Surprisingly, we all ultimately had to go out for 3 different practice sessions to see how the promoter essentially made routes around all but a few small jumps to make the OP happy. By the time I went out for that 3rd practice, track was a freeway and had lost all the fun sections. Essentially, it was clear to see that the OP can't handle any kind of jumps so does his best to level the playing field by having jumps done away with.
As other's have already said...nothing wrong with Briarcliff, unless you have close to zero mx skills.
Pit Row
Jimmys is a safe track nothing against them I ride there often. The reason they have more injuries than other tracks is simple, they are open and busy everyday and the riders riding there are generally fast and trying to push themselves further.
Ironclad is a small track more arenacross style, short approaches, steep jumps, sharp landings, short shut down, and tight corners, and no run off on the sides. They have gotten better, they use to be all doubles, now they have filled a few of them in.
Interested to hear your thoughts...glad I'm not the only one
Its ironic that I saw this post. I just got home from Cahuilla Creek motocross track. A fellow died there today. I say died as opposed to was killed. It seems he had a heart attack while riding then crashed and died. Heart medications were reportedly found in his truck.
I've seen Lifeflight at Cahuilla 5 times in the last 3 months. People seem to get injured in the same places on the track.
Some of the well know tracks here are really only concerned with making big dangerous obsticals to please a handful of national pros and their teams than their majority of their core customers that actually pay to get in.
I said this before there are a lot of ways to make challenging obstacles for the pros that can be safer for the median customer. A lot of the pros don't even pay to get in. They can make the track stupid big for the pros on weekdays and then move some dirt to make it safer for the majority of their paying clientele on weekends.
We have several fatalities on SoCal tracks every year and lots of really serious injuries. There are several contributing reasons. Bikes are a lot faster now. Some people shouldn't be riding on certain tracks. A lot of the obstacles are to big and unforgiving to be on a mass market track. Tracks could do a better job of building obstacles to be more forgiving of errors. A lot of the obstacles now are getting to be do or die. A rider can't progressively learn them and this is getting people hurt. Finally some people are stupid and don't know any better than to tell their friend to just gas it and you'll clear it.
What the track owners don't realize is that this is going to come back and bite them in the end. Medical Insurance companies are going to start pursuing repayment of the money they spend on injuries. They do it all the time in car accidents. It doesn't matter if their insured doesn't want to participate in a lawsuit, they can still sue to recover their losses. Also agencies that have to keepbresponding to the same type of calls can institute actions to close the facility as a public hazard.
Do you think for one minute that the Pala reservation would risk loosing their big casino for the chump change their motocross track generates? One lawsuit percing the veil of protection of the tribal court would do it.
We could loose our tracks someday if attention isn't paid to this.
And to answer the thread question, Glen Helen on practice days by far! My god, when will they step up with some safety precautions and get some flaggers. So many people killed and parylzed at that track.
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