Whats the most dangerous track in your state

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ryandiezic757 8/10/2016 6:40am
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I don't even like briarcliff that much but you're so wrong
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Mike 29 wrote:
Ohio has a winner, Briarcliff is by far the most dangerous track in the state. Even on an open practice weekend the MED-FLIGHT chopper appear regularly...
Ohio has a winner, Briarcliff is by far the most dangerous track in the state.

Even on an open practice weekend the MED-FLIGHT chopper appear regularly to take severely injured young men to the hospital, with life changing injuries. Truly could be a great track with a good operator but with the current operator its a death trap.

The AMA held a single event there 2 years ago, a ATV National, the officials said they will never return, they had never seen so many injuries or the such severity of injuries at a single event before, young people who's life was changed.

The only track in OHIO that needs a helicopter pad.

So that's OHIO, what's yours
briarcliff is by far one of the premier tracks in ohio, not to mention the track prep is superior. Sounds to me the OP started this thread just to bash briarcliff more than he has already done, if you cant ride the track then don't go. Nice things aren't for everyone.

Not to mention I go there on my pitbike and hit 95% of the jumps, so obviously the track isn't to dangerous.


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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
This should get clipped before it goes full retard.
There wouldn't be any threads here if they did that every time
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
I agree. There isn't a single North Texas track that I would call "dangerous".

The DFW area tracks that have the most injuries are also the ones that are closer to town and get the largest crowds. It stands to reason that if track A gets 200 riders for an event/practice and track B gets only 20 riders, Track A will naturally have 10x the injuries.

People don't take that into account when they bash a track.

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cheapsmack 8/10/2016 6:59am
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From watching the video this looks like a great track with well thought out obstacles, and safe landings.

The only thing I could see to criticize would be the random tractor tires , not a big deal on the inside of slow corners, but IMO not as rider friendly as the hay bales or tuff blocks I saw in other parts of the track.
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JB 19 wrote:
Just for reference, this is track in question. Good thing the OP never raced at Kenworthytv's.

https://youtu.be/52Al4anfdrk
Madmax31 wrote:
Funny, I thought the same thing. Man I do miss that place!
tb901 wrote:
Yeah, what they said
Yeah I'm getting old and don't like jumps as much as I used to but that looks like a pretty good layout. Maybe a little fast in some sections but would see nothing to keep me from riding there.
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Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback...
Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback MX in Florida. They had had a couple of bad years with two deaths and some very bad injuries that made the news. He told me that day he had decided to slow down the track, soften the track with sand, and groom the track all day during the racing. The next race he changed the track and removed the fastest area with the largest jump. He did bring in sand to soften the track as well. The coolest thing he did though was that he had two tractors on the side of the track all day. After every 3 or 4 races they got onto the track and groomed a section of the track. The track stayed fun all day and injuries dropped a great deal. I was impressed. That track used to get very hard in sections and keeping it soft has helped reduce injuries there.
mx510 wrote:
With all of your comments on tracks the last couple days I am wondering when you will open and run your own track? Implement all of...
With all of your comments on tracks the last couple days I am wondering when you will open and run your own track? Implement all of your ideas, and let us know how it goes.
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I agree he sure seems to know an awful lot about running tracks. Apparently they are easy to get rich off of. Just seems silly for...
I agree he sure seems to know an awful lot about running tracks. Apparently they are easy to get rich off of. Just seems silly for him not to open one up.
Show me one post where I said a track is easy to get rich off? I said in a different thread that all tracks can improve their business! If you run a business and don't think you can improve it then why are you in business? Bikes get improved, cars, hotels, computers, on and on. Yes there are some well known tracks that make very good money. If they did not they would all be looking to sell. Riders often learn, study, train, and use riding coaches to improve yet you feel tracks should not have to do anything or even try to improve?

I spent my own money to help tracks and have talked with track owners all over the US. Been to many of them in person. After a few years of helping them I can give an educated opinion on the issue. What have you done for the tracks? Ever donated thousands of dollars to the industry? I sure have!
aFACEdismembered 8/10/2016 7:27am
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kzizok wrote:
I agree. Its one thing for a track to have more injuries than others. But consistent deaths is unheard of.
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I believe one of the deaths at Village about a decade ago was a kid who got landed on over the table going up the hill...
I believe one of the deaths at Village about a decade ago was a kid who got landed on over the table going up the hill after the old start. Another kid around that time got killed getting landed on at Lake Whitney too if I remember correctly. Was it last year or 2 years ago that the kid got landed on and killed in practice at River Valley?

About 10 years ago I remember there being a string of deaths and paralysis at tracks in North Texas. I'm not as plugged into the amateur scene today since all the racing I do is Vintage but I know quite a few people who stopped riding motocross all together because of the deaths and injuries. I hate this topic.
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River Valley is a tame track but they used to hold unorganized practice until the track got too crowded then they would convert to organized. I...
River Valley is a tame track but they used to hold unorganized practice until the track got too crowded then they would convert to organized. I think the time the kid got killed it wasn't organized unfortunately. I've been out there quite a bit since and they are organized 100% of the time now from what I've seen. In fact, their jumps and track organization wasn't bad before, but now it is about the safest track in terms of obstacles.

Last Friday at RV there was a kid that was about 15 or 16 out there on a 150 during the little bike practice session. I guess technically he met the "little bike" rule, but this kid was not riding respectfully around the little kids and was jumping right next to them. He was plenty fast enough for the big bike class. I was hoping to see the track officials remove him from that practice and put him in the big bike practice, but as far as I know that didn't happen. It's not my track or my decision, but it's pretty disheartening and nerve racking to watch.

Village Creek just draws a lot of fast guys and the more speed you have, the higher the propensity for catastrophe. And they also have the SX style night track that has some more advanced obstacles. Between guys being too confident in their abilities, and just common mistakes, it's easy to have a helicopter ride out of there. Village Creek is the track that Josh Demuth got injured at that eventually led to amputation. No fault of the track or Josh's really. His bike locked up over a huge downhill triple from what I recall. The first time I rode the night track, the helicopter landed. Scared the living shit out of me since I was new and that was the first helicopter I saw land.
The Village stuff seemed to happen at the peak of amateur motocross around here and I just correlate that to more competition and bikes on track. The % may have stayed the same but the participants were up so the number of incidents was up. BUT, Village did built some wild stuff in the mid 00's.

I stopped going to River Valley when they would build booter lips and giant kickers would always form over time. Saw to many people get hurt bad and decided there were other places worth my money. Now I just have no desire to ride there for other reasons.

On a safety note, I saw a kid hit a tree at Underground years ago. Randy took us back to our truck in a Mule and I told him I had almost hit the same tree numerous times. I went back the next week and the tree was gone. Good on ya!
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The Village stuff seemed to happen at the peak of amateur motocross around here and I just correlate that to more competition and bikes on track...
The Village stuff seemed to happen at the peak of amateur motocross around here and I just correlate that to more competition and bikes on track. The % may have stayed the same but the participants were up so the number of incidents was up. BUT, Village did built some wild stuff in the mid 00's.

I stopped going to River Valley when they would build booter lips and giant kickers would always form over time. Saw to many people get hurt bad and decided there were other places worth my money. Now I just have no desire to ride there for other reasons.

On a safety note, I saw a kid hit a tree at Underground years ago. Randy took us back to our truck in a Mule and I told him I had almost hit the same tree numerous times. I went back the next week and the tree was gone. Good on ya!
If it's been a while since you've been to River Valley lately, do yourself a favor and check it out again. The track prep has been superb and the jump faces have been holding up all day long. I recommend getting there early because it does get busy.
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JerseyFresh wrote:
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed...
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed after a rain on a weekday it was pretty baller, but what track isn't?
I rode Chatsworth from 2001-2003 and the main track was brutal on Saturdays. Not 100% the tracks fault. When the Staten Island goomba crew would show up towing their bikes with IROC-Zs I knew it was gonna be a long day
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MxKing809 8/10/2016 8:10am
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Baja in Michigan needs to stop cupping every jump face "so the riders can make it over the jumps"..... but other than that it's super safe. They get bashed a lot for big jumps and the track being fast, but I don't think it is.
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I love Baja but the track does need to be slowed down in some sections. In the last 4-5 years I have seen alot of yard sales after the ski jump and what used to be the 140'. I think the jumps are better then what they used to be but I know alot of guys like me who have been riding there for 20 years plus think 450's just can go alot faster then what areas of the track were originally designed for.
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Kx125rider wrote:
Nj isnt bad, being we only have 2 tracks.
I agree, 3 if you include etown practice track, out of the 3 the most injuries I see occur at the etown racetrack, etown in general seems to get a lot of people that have no business on a track on brand new 450s. When FOD first opened the double double up front caused a lot of injuries (I'm one of them) but it's a ton safer now.
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JerseyFresh wrote:
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed...
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed after a rain on a weekday it was pretty baller, but what track isn't?
Where I first learned how to ride! (Though it may have been illegally now that it's protected). The philly idiots still go there with a uhaul truck loaded up and do wheelies through the pits with no helmets or goggles. Saw a guy get his wrist snapped the opposite direction once lol. Don't mess around back there anymore. Tree huggers started posting signs and blocking the trail entrances ironically with cut trees.
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If you think that track is dangerous, don't ever ride MotoGrande here in AZ (judging from the GoPro footage)



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aFACEdismembered wrote:
The Village stuff seemed to happen at the peak of amateur motocross around here and I just correlate that to more competition and bikes on track...
The Village stuff seemed to happen at the peak of amateur motocross around here and I just correlate that to more competition and bikes on track. The % may have stayed the same but the participants were up so the number of incidents was up. BUT, Village did built some wild stuff in the mid 00's.

I stopped going to River Valley when they would build booter lips and giant kickers would always form over time. Saw to many people get hurt bad and decided there were other places worth my money. Now I just have no desire to ride there for other reasons.

On a safety note, I saw a kid hit a tree at Underground years ago. Randy took us back to our truck in a Mule and I told him I had almost hit the same tree numerous times. I went back the next week and the tree was gone. Good on ya!
CamP wrote:
If it's been a while since you've been to River Valley lately, do yourself a favor and check it out again. The track prep has been...
If it's been a while since you've been to River Valley lately, do yourself a favor and check it out again. The track prep has been superb and the jump faces have been holding up all day long. I recommend getting there early because it does get busy.
Never knew of the issues at River Valley. Although it has been quite a while since I have been there. Really like that place. Also, a little bit of trivia but you know who lives not too far from the RV track? This guy, no joke:

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piru mx/ mx126 (same thing)
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Moto810 wrote:
Its a fair question. Certain tracks have more injuries than others mostly due to track design and lack of grooming. Up in the Portland area it...
Its a fair question. Certain tracks have more injuries than others mostly due to track design and lack of grooming. Up in the Portland area it is PIR. The dirt is great but the track itself is more like a SX track thus the riders are not ready for that type of close contact, steep jumps, and timing sections. The riders need more practice on it and they need to learn to setup their bike for that type of track.
If you chose PIR as more dangerous than Riverdale you need to get out more. RD is a total complete shit show and that's even if you don't know the behind the scenes stuff. I have been critical of how PIR builds the track quite a bit over the years but most of their injuries are rider error. Getting stupid because you are racing isn't the tracks fault.........
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i vote for Hangtown, seen more guys carted off that track than any other
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Lol.. Georgie, this post went full on fuckin stupid the minute the original poster hit submit.
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Go ride Hangtown when the 20 year olds are building the faces. They build em designed for scrubbers, which I ain't, so if you can't scrub you are looking at massive booters requiring precision landings. It can also be a very fast track, and has lots of potato-sized rocks that love to break hands and noses. Heading up Big Moe behind a 450 is a lesson in pain.
Much of this is on the operator - in CA you have to set up faces and water/prep for pro-caliber riders on occasion, and the general public on others. Then there is Vet class - Hangtown gets "dumbed down" for them (I am one and I am NOT bitching about it!) to account for different risk tolerance. It's a LOT of work and $$$ to modify a track for different levels.
And there is practice management. Splits that make sense and are actively monitored. Black flag those that are in the wrong practice. Operator needs to own this. 408 MX is great at it.

Then there is the rider. Some guys lose all common sense out there, esp when there's a gate drop. Can't fix stupid.

I don't let my 10 year old ride Riverdale main track. No splits, no control over track. I'm not risking his life out there. I'm more comfortable with him on PIR than Riverdale. Mountain View does a decent job at prep and splits.. Albany MX I've only ridden once so far and they were so-so.

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My practice track in NM back in the late 80's was a rough one on riders and bike alike. The dirt was like hard polished concrete with decomposed granite on top of the hardpack 60's even laid down blue groove on that track. The real kicker was a section similar to gravity cavity except the exit jump was not to flat ground instead it dropped away again. The top of the exit jump was about 25 feet wide and funneled down to about 7 feet at the bottom. At the bottom of the jump was a huge bolder on each side to keep you honest. Those bolders were covered with paint marks from the various bikes that landed on them over the years. If hitting a bolder was not enough to worry about if you went off track you ran the risk if go i ng through various cactus plants.

That was a fun track...
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ehr400 wrote:
I love Baja but the track does need to be slowed down in some sections. In the last 4-5 years I have seen alot of yard...
I love Baja but the track does need to be slowed down in some sections. In the last 4-5 years I have seen alot of yard sales after the ski jump and what used to be the 140'. I think the jumps are better then what they used to be but I know alot of guys like me who have been riding there for 20 years plus think 450's just can go alot faster then what areas of the track were originally designed for.
Thats what makes Baja the most fun track to ride in Michigan. Fast, well flowing, with a few nice booters. I would say 99% of crashes at that track are because the rider runs out of talent Laughing
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Pala. Then GH. Pala for jumps GH for hills and just being rough.

i can see Piru (for being sketchy) and hangtown as well up there.
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Moto810 wrote:
Show me one post where I said a track is easy to get rich off? I said in a different thread that all tracks can improve...
Show me one post where I said a track is easy to get rich off? I said in a different thread that all tracks can improve their business! If you run a business and don't think you can improve it then why are you in business? Bikes get improved, cars, hotels, computers, on and on. Yes there are some well known tracks that make very good money. If they did not they would all be looking to sell. Riders often learn, study, train, and use riding coaches to improve yet you feel tracks should not have to do anything or even try to improve?

I spent my own money to help tracks and have talked with track owners all over the US. Been to many of them in person. After a few years of helping them I can give an educated opinion on the issue. What have you done for the tracks? Ever donated thousands of dollars to the industry? I sure have!
You make it sound so easy though. I figured with all of your knowledge and experience you could put a track in an area that needs one, and turn a profit. Show us how it's done.
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CamP wrote:
If it's been a while since you've been to River Valley lately, do yourself a favor and check it out again. The track prep has been...
If it's been a while since you've been to River Valley lately, do yourself a favor and check it out again. The track prep has been superb and the jump faces have been holding up all day long. I recommend getting there early because it does get busy.
I remember those kickers. That was some bad stuff. I got bucked plenty of times. They definitely do something different with their jump faces the last couple of years. I stopped going for awhile after the kicking issue but I've started going there when I feel like riding tracks.

What bike and what number are you? If I ever see you while I'm out there I'll stop and say hi. I'm trying to go pseudo regularly on Fridays. I'm 310 on a Yamaha Yz250.
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Kx125rider wrote:
Nj isnt bad, being we only have 2 tracks.
usafwx wrote:
I agree, 3 if you include etown practice track, out of the 3 the most injuries I see occur at the etown racetrack, etown in general...
I agree, 3 if you include etown practice track, out of the 3 the most injuries I see occur at the etown racetrack, etown in general seems to get a lot of people that have no business on a track on brand new 450s. When FOD first opened the double double up front caused a lot of injuries (I'm one of them) but it's a ton safer now.
Etowns racetrack is a lot more technical than the practice track and Millville. The practice track is really tight whereas the racetrack is more open but develops way more ruts and bumps with the softer dirt. Millville is a really fast open track that I don't find very technical. I feel like the bigger second double is harder this year for some reason. Now that its filled in there's guys that probably shouldn't be jumping it trying too and coming up way short but I haven't seen any crashes the two times I went this year.
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Moto810 wrote:
Show me one post where I said a track is easy to get rich off? I said in a different thread that all tracks can improve...
Show me one post where I said a track is easy to get rich off? I said in a different thread that all tracks can improve their business! If you run a business and don't think you can improve it then why are you in business? Bikes get improved, cars, hotels, computers, on and on. Yes there are some well known tracks that make very good money. If they did not they would all be looking to sell. Riders often learn, study, train, and use riding coaches to improve yet you feel tracks should not have to do anything or even try to improve?

I spent my own money to help tracks and have talked with track owners all over the US. Been to many of them in person. After a few years of helping them I can give an educated opinion on the issue. What have you done for the tracks? Ever donated thousands of dollars to the industry? I sure have!
mx510 wrote:
You make it sound so easy though. I figured with all of your knowledge and experience you could put a track in an area that needs...
You make it sound so easy though. I figured with all of your knowledge and experience you could put a track in an area that needs one, and turn a profit. Show us how it's done.
That's what I'm saying. This guy's answer is to just throw money at it. The other thread was talking about local racing and he starts talking about Washougal. That's not local racing. Like I said before everything is way easier if you have unlimited resources to throw at it. Yes I have spent thousands of dollars on the industry tens of thousands actually. I've also put the blood and sweat work into it too. Something I am pretty sure you have NEVER done because you think the whole thing is so easy to do. You keep telling us all how easy the whole deal is, we are all still waiting for the big announcement for the track you are planning on opening. If you had to run these local tracks on the budget these guys do you wouldn't last long if your answer is just hire someone to do it. Race tracks on a local level are not big money makers. Nobody ever said there isn't room for improvement on things there always is. There just isn't always the means to make it happen. It's a labor of love for the sport and the families in it, not of money. If it were all about the money there wouldn't be any local level racing.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
kzizok wrote:
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified...
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified that attributted to the deaths.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Yeah I don't get that because that track seems so calm
Just had another rider paralyzed from the waste down at the moto masters series. High speed and dirt as hard as concrete does not work.
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JerseyFresh wrote:
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed...
It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed after a rain on a weekday it was pretty baller, but what track isn't?
My brother and I grew up riding at crapsworth. I remember most of the bad crashes were in the 4 foot sand whoops in the back section. As much as we all talked shit on it though, I secretely miss it.

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